Preview Pre-match discussion Round 13 Carlton V Fremantle

[DamoESP]

Ok, a little whisper I've heard around the streets is that the Freo boys feel that they are going into this game at about 85% due to injuries and current niggles that a a few of their main players are carrying, so if we come out at full intensity, we should be able to run over the top of them easily.


Also, most of them are looking forward to the break already and just want to get this game out of the way...
Read into that as you will.

 

[BluePoint]

Ok, a little whisper I've heard around the streets is that the Freo boys feel that they are going into this game at about 85% due to injuries and current niggles that a a few of their main players are carrying, so if we come out at full intensity, we should be able to run over the top of them easily.


Also, most of them are looking forward to the break already and just want to get this game out of the way...
Read into that as you will.

Sounds like someone from the Freo camp may be wanting to slide down to Sportsbet to obtain a bit of "overs" maybe?

 

[Go_Blues!]

Right now, none of the three boys should be in our starting line-up on what they've shown to date, which is quite disappointing.
Browne has not had a better chance than Friday night to show what he is made of, but that went awfully pear shaped.
Johnson and Anderson also had more than the one game showing to produce something but failed to a large degree.

The MC cannot be accused of not giving the fellows a chance this year, as every player selected has been given more than just the token game to give them the opportunity to showcase their wares yet surprisingly (to me at least), Johnson has been the only one prepared to put his body on the line.

Agree with Anderson - although as usual, he does show endeavour and a willingness to take the game on, but without the judgement that may come to him in time.

Johnson, I thought, was really quite good. Hard at it and did some really nice things. He clearly will be a very long way from first picked when he recovers from his injury but he was adding to the team while he was playing.

I agree with your point about bringing blokes in for a few games this year. That has been pretty pleasing and gives a better indication of where they are at than a single game where they are not used to implementing the structures under game conditions.

 

[Go_Blues!]

Sounds like someone from the Freo camp may be wanting to slide down to Sportsbet to obtain a bit of "overs" maybe?

Or maybe Damo has some ESP

 

[gbatman]

Utter shite.

Jacobs was the leading ruckman on the ground in regard to hit outs, and whilst I don't have the figures to hand his hit outs to advantage numbers are generally great. The fact that we smashed them in the clearances would support that. He gathered three clearances of his own and had a team high seven tackles in limited game time. Yep, only seven disposals (five contested), but Jamo only had eight. Do we can him too? Not every player is there to gather cheap stats.

And Robo had a quiter game, but has been close enough to pur best player in the three weeks prior to that. If you're dropping young guys on the back of one poor game when they are clearly developing at a great rate of knots...well, it's not much of a message is it.

gee you are reacting like Jacobs has starred. Mate he's been good but he hasn't been great, really should be doing a little more around the ground, I'd be happy to persist if we didn't have so much talent in the VFL. I think both Warnock and Hampson could ruck just as well and I think that Hammer could give us more around the ground. I also think that the taller Warnock or the higher leaping Hampson might come in to combat giant Sandilands.

As good as Robbo has been going there is a hoard of players better than him due to come back in and after that sort of showing they will. Some one HAS to miss out, we can only play 22, he will probably miss out, as unlucky as that sounds.

 

[Kramer1]

gee you are reacting like Jacobs has starred. Mate he's been good but he hasn't been great, really should be doing a little more around the ground, I'd be happy to persist if we didn't have so much talent in the VFL. I think both Warnock and Hampson could ruck just as well and I think that Hammer could give us more around the ground. I also think that the taller Warnock or the higher leaping Hampson might come in to combat giant Sandilands.

As good as Robbo has been going there is a hoard of players better than him due to come back in and after that sort of showing they will. Some one HAS to miss out, we can only play 22, he will probably miss out, as unlucky as that sounds.

No, it's just frustrating when people don't look beyond the obvious stats such as the number of disposals, which can be a little irrelevent for ruckman. There are far more important indicators for someone in Jacobs position and he seems to be hitting the mark most weeks. We don't need our ruckman to be gathering stats around the geound. That's why we have one of the best midfield units running around. We need our ruckman to support that midfield unit. Jacobs is our best tap ruckman...on exposed form Hampson might get his hand on as many balls, but Jacobs is far and away our best tap ruckman. On what I have seen I would also suggest he is best in following up his own work. He works to create a physical contest, and dives in after the ball with plenty of enthusiasm. The result is he is also our best ruckman at the clearance, and most willing to lay a phyical tackle. He also seems more likely to hold on to a contested mark than either Warnock or Hampson. He may never take the cover on the 'Men For All Seasons' calendar and looks a little ungainly compared to Kreuzer, but he has worked hard for that spot, is improving week by week, and deserves to keep it until injury or poor form conspires to take it from him.

On Robinson I would be interested to know who this hoard of better players are that are lining up to take his spot. The three weeks prior to the NM match he averaged 22 touches, almost two goals a game, more than six tackles and inside 50's a match. Impressive perfomance aside he brings a physicality that our side sorely needs...there are no grounds whatsoever for Robinson being dropped.

 

[TheChampion]

Unlike your namesake Kramer, you do talk sense. It was Jacobs' tapwork which got us back into the game in the 3rd quater, even though none of our players were moving around him. Need a big body for Sandilands and warnock is clearly not up to it. Robinson should hold his place in the side.
In Out
Bower Thorton
(for obvious reasons, lets hope we dont have to drop him again)

Lucas Joseph
(Joseph needs a rest after the NM game and will regain his spot soon)

Hampson Kruzer
(Kruzer hasnt been bad just could be better, give the Hammer a go)

Grigg/Mclean Browne
(The kid hasnt been too bad but got to reward which ever out of these 2 has been performing the better at VFL)

 

[ZabsBlues]

Agree with this post, except I'm not sure I would drop Irish just yet.

The thing with Irish is he takes the best defender regardless. Our forward line has room for both Irish and Hendo I think.

Bower - Thornton
Lucas - Browne
Yarran - Robinson
Henderson - ?

Thornton should never play a game for us again and neither should Browne. Robbo needs to do a little bit more to consolidate his spot in the best 22.

Garlett may need a spell as well but he gets one more week with Yazza to come in and help out.

We look far more dangerous as a side with a forward line of Irish, Waite, Hoops, Betts, Yarran and Garlett. Rotate Hendo, Irish and Waite and all of a sudden we create more options for ourselves and make it that little bit harder to match up on too.

Having Bower back really balances our backline as well.

We need to bring our structure back this week and get back on the winners list!

B: Armfield Jamison Russell
HB: Scotland Bower Walker
C: Simpson Murphy Waite
HF: Houlihan Henderson Yarran
F: Garlett O'hAilpin Betts
Foll: Kreuzer Gibbs Judd

I: Jacobs Lucas Joseph Carrazzo

This team for me. Last week we lost the game at the selection table.
I am confident we will win this week.

 

[Stamos]

This team for me. Last week we lost the game at the selection table.
I am confident we will win this week.

Pretty happy with that except I would want one of Hadley or McLean in.

 

[parbuster]

Agree with Stamos. Hadlee and McLean cannot exist in the same team - too one paced and play exactly the same role as each other.

 

[Crippa#9]

Shame for O'Halipin..he kicked a bag against this mob last time.

Very strong squad. In fact, probably the strongest squad we have fielded this year.

No excuses.

 

[chaser1]

Joseph deserves to be dropped before Army, the ins are ok. Thorton is on his last legs, would have brought in Hampson to double team Sandilands. Gartlett although provides great pressure is to hit and miss for me at this stage.

 

[Silvagnis]

Hopefully we line up like this.

B: Joseph, Jamison,Thornton
HB: Russell, Bower, Walker
C: Lucas, Hadley, Scotland
HF: Murphy, Henderson, Houlihan
F: Betts, Waite, Garlett
Foll: Kreuzer, Judd, Carrazzo

Inter: Jacobs, Yarran, Gibbs, Simpson

Emerg: Armfield, Grigg, Robinson

Great squad if Robinson, Armfield, Setanta, Hampson, Warnock, Mclean and Grigga aren't playing.

Lets hope we turn up to play hard footy and do justice to our talent.

Thornton was reasonable last week, so hopefully he prospers as a third defender.

Joseph had too many credits to be dropped.

Interesting to see Suban dropped after they drafted Nic via the Warnock trade.

Carrazzo to Barlow?

I wouldn't mind AJ getting Hill with Thornton, Russell, Lucas or Walker taking Ballantyne.

Plenty of options.

 

[Murphy2Fev]

Interesting to see Suban dropped after they drafted Nic via the Warnock trade.

Elbow injury, not due to form reasons.

 

[ESKIE]

Hopefully we line up like this.

B: Joseph, Jamison,Thornton
HB: Russell, Bower, Walker
C: Lucas, Hadley, Scotland
HF: Murphy, Henderson, Houlihan
F: Betts, Waite, Garlett
Foll: Kreuzer, Judd, Carrazzo

Inter: Jacobs, Yarran, Gibbs, Simpson

Emerg: Armfield, Grigg, Robinson

Great squad if Robinson, Armfield, Setanta, Hampson, Warnock, Mclean and Grigga aren't playing.

Lets hope we turn up to play hard footy and do justice to our talent.

Thornton was reasonable last week, so hopefully he prospers as a third defender.

Joseph had too many credits to be dropped.

Interesting to see Suban dropped after they drafted Nic via the Warnock trade.

Carrazzo to Barlow?

I wouldn't mind AJ getting Hill with Thornton, Russell, Lucas or Walker taking Ballantyne.

Plenty of options.

Maybe not Walker, Ballantyne is a niggler and may not suit Tex's temperament, I like Carrazzo on Barlow..

 

[Sin City]

Training 18 June 2010

 

[Aphrodite]

^^^^^^^^

 

[Silvagnis]

Focus key for bounce-back Blues: Riley

“I just thought maybe some of our aggression was a tad misplaced [last week], and should have been at the ball and at the man in possession, rather than some of that off-the-ball rubbish," Riley said.

"We have addressed that."

Focus key for bounce-back Blues: Riley

Look at the talent playing tomorrow

Pick 1: Kreuzer, Gibbs & Murphy
Pick 2: Hasleby & Walker
Pick 3: Judd & Hill
Pick 4: Pavlich & Morabito
Pick 6: Yarran, Bradley
Pick 7: Palmer
Pick 8: Henderson & Tarrant
Pick 9: Russell
Pick 12: Lucas
Pick 19: Mundy
Pick 20: Fyfe & Bower
Pick 21: Ballantyne
Pick 22: Hadley

They have the talent to beat us if we're not on our game.

 

[Go_Blues!]

I wouldn't mind AJ getting Hill with Thornton, Russell, Lucas or Walker taking Ballantyne.

Plenty of options.

Nah, AJ to Ballantyne - that will end in blows for sure.

But really, I wouldn't mind seeing Walker on Pav. It is a step up in class for sure but Pav has a big tank, only takes a couple of cm's from Walker but obviously has a much better arial game. Put Thorton in the hole to counter this and Walker can take Pav on a leading ball with Thorton pushing back on a high ball. I would give Bower a nice easy role for his first game back - straight onto Pav seems a bit much after missing so much footy and I am sure Bower will be on restricted game time. That being said, Pav is not playing that well (in comparison to the extremely high standards he sets).

 

[Go_Blues!]

Focus key for bounce-back Blues: Riley

Focus key for bounce-back Blues: Riley

Look at the talent playing tomorrow

Pick 1: Kreuzer, Gibbs & Murphy
Pick 2: Hasleby & Walker
Pick 3: Judd & Hill
Pick 4: Pavlich & Morabito
Pick 6: Yarran, Bradley
Pick 7: Palmer
Pick 8: Henderson & Tarrant
Pick 9: Russell
Pick 12: Lucas
Pick 19: Mundy
Pick 20: Fyfe & Bower
Pick 21: Ballantyne
Pick 22: Hadley

They have the talent to beat us if we're not on our game.

I assume Bradley is in there for completeness and not to suggest that he has talent?

 

[Salaryman]

I assume Bradley is in there for completeness and not to suggest that he has talent?

Bradley could end up being an important cog for them giving Sandilands a chop out and decreasing his work load before a finals tilt.

That's while their great white hope Zac Clarke develops

 

[Silvagnis]

As funny as it sounds, I don't mind Kepler Bradley.

Isn't a good tap ruck, but he's mobile and can get across the ground OK for a big bloke.

Has kicked six goals in two of his games this year.

 

[HARKER]

Friday afternoon randomness:

Does anyone here miss Cloke?

 

[Go_Blues!]

As funny as it sounds, I don't mind Kepler Bradley.

Isn't a good tap ruck, but he's mobile and can get across the ground OK for a big bloke.

Has kicked six goals in two of his games this year.

You are right - that does sound very funny

 

[Silvagnis]

Hansen and Lynch having a premiership is really funny...

Never said he was good.

I don't hate Bradley.

A fewa stars are complete tosspots.

Bradley gives them a stop gap back up ruck like Splendini noted.

Essendon burned Bradley in a KPP when he's a follower.

We did the same thing to Livingston by playing him at full back before he was ready.