Vic Predict the outcome of the 2018 Victorian State Election

[its free real estate]

agree on this


he didnt have the audience back then. hanson energized the electorate to that message, and he rode on her coat tails

howard was excellent at many things, but he wasnt a leader who inspired passion. remember he was the guy who had his goal to make Australia feel "comfortable and relaxed"

Howard was leader of the opposition, how did he not have an audience?

 

[The Passenger]

You know the response to this from the cloth earred dickheads in Canberra will be to lurch further to the right though.

Let's all pray to jeebuz that this be true.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Howard was leader of the opposition, how did he not have an audience?

an audience that would enthusiastically support his message

 

[Blinkybill66]

That " juliar " moron drags the entire show down.

I read some of that idiot’s posts and felt my IQ drop by the second.

 

[DaRick]

Howard was leader of the opposition, how did he not have an audience?

He was leading a Liberal party that was riven by infighting (and undermined by the 'Joh for PM' farce), was up against a charismatic Hawke and was simply not as shrewd a politician in the 80's, so he was in no position to sell xenophobic sentiment the way he could a decade later, with One Nation in their pomp. He learnt a great deal from his first spell as Opposition Leader IMO.

 

[its free real estate]

an audience that would enthusiastically support his message

He may have had it, but the Joh for Canberra campaign undermined any appeal in the state Hanson had the most appeal.

Hanson has mostly been a Queensland phenomenon, with some interest in them her in rural WA.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

He may have had it, but the Joh for Canberra campaign undermined any appeal in the state Hanson had the most appeal.

Hanson has mostly been a Queensland phenomenon, with some interest in them her in rural WA.

her rhetoric was popular in parts of sydney though. remember this is the city of Alan Jones

 

[Bomberboyokay]

Group ticket voting is an affront to democracy https://abc.net.au/news/2018-11-25/...pper-house-fiona-patten-derryn-hinch/10552692

 

[Bombermania]

Plenty of professionals are ALP. Heard of the terms latte sippers or doctors wives?

That is my point because in earlier generations such people would have been Liberals. Doctors wives referred to Liberal ladies who were interested in lunch and social issues

 

[its free real estate]

her rhetoric was popular in parts of sydney though. remember this is the city of Alan Jones

Which parts?

 

[Hoops]

Current seats in doubt - don't think they will change with 70% of votes counted in some cases.

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Is Liberal the 2nd party in Prahran?

 

[Dave]

Never again do I ever want to hear any complaints from anyone about the money wasted on a road that wasn't built, red shirts, crime (because voters obviously feel safe in their homes and think the crime wave is made-up) or Safe Schools.

Safe Schools is a waste of money? Wow.

 

[Crankyhawk]

Hanson and Howard's coopting of her policies predated s11

Remember it was the Asian invasion back then

And Howard (back in Hawke era) who was against multiculturalism. This put many Chinese voters against him

 

[The Casey Cat]

I maintain the Liberal Party is in big trouble at all levels and may not be (relatively) long for this world.

They have no brand. They stand for nothing. And it’s become clear to the electorate.

Yep. Biggest problem of all is that the party for small, non-religious and or somewhat progressive liberals (and obviously the centre) is now Labor. That is an absolute shit load of the electorate but their RWNJ Canberra power base are utterly oblivious to it. Even the more rusted on/lifelong LNP voters find them embarrassing.

 

[Admiral Byng]

Yep. Biggest problem of all is that the party for small, non-religious and or somewhat progressive liberals (and obviously the centre) is now Labor. That is an absolute shit load of the electorate but their RWNJ Canberra power base are utterly oblivious to it. Even the more rusted on/lifelong LNP voters find them embarrassing.

This is where they need to be searching for the base, in the centre, not at the margins of the far right. This is their problem, the base has remained in the centre or if anything has moved slightly left.

 

[Hawk Dork]

They should have been put to the sword in the Hawke era
when Howard and Peacock spent their time stabbing each other,
Barry Jones thought it wouldnt be good for democracy

 

[Hawk Dork]

This is where they need to be searching for the base, in the centre, not at the margins of the far right. This is their problem, the base has remained in the centre or if anything has moved slightly left.

Theres the people who vote(used too) and the people who turn up, pay their money and have stong opinions ,they want heard...... 2 different animals

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Yep. Biggest problem of all is that the party for small, non-religious and or somewhat progressive liberals (and obviously the centre) is now Labor. That is an absolute shit load of the electorate but their RWNJ Canberra power base are utterly oblivious to it. Even the more rusted on/lifelong LNP voters find them embarrassing.

Yeah that was Turnbull.

They were behind in the 2PP polls but absolutely dominant in preferred PM when Turnbull was leader.

Response? Ditch the PM.

 

[Bad Horse]

Theres the people who vote(used too) and the people who turn up, pay their money and have stong opinions ,they want heard...... 2 different animals

And increasingly, those people bring hordes of strangely silent names on a page who sometimes might not quite know what its for or even be aware they were members, or who have a very narrow reason for joining. The Victorian branches have been increasingly stacked by churchgoers willingly (or unknowingly) following at the request of leaders to lend their names and preselection votes to the needs of the noisy claque. There are precious few actual active members at all, most are just names of a list. A truly stunning proportion of officeholders in Victoria for example are Mormons, who are joining the Liberal party at a rate 1000 times what their proportion in the community would suggest, and unscrupulous powerbrokers are prepared to use them, in exchange for enacting the book of Leviticus (or Nehi) into law.

What seems to be happening here is an increasing proportion of the electorate have woken up and realised the old Liberal Party they always voted for no longer means what it says on the jar, and someone has substituted some stuff from central shit kitchen number 7 in Kazakhstan where good proper porridge and weetbix used to be, and they are not happy.

 

[GreyCrow]

To be fair the ALP also like a good Stack , unlike any AFL club

 

[Bad Horse]

On a personal note, I am acquainted with Danielle Green and am delighted that she won Yan Yean as expected. She’s an excellent local member.

I'm also pleased she won, and even more kissing the ground in delight the utter bathstain in Meralyn Klein got wiped out. That was some seriously bad candidate vetting from the Libs there, or perhaps not. Perhaps they thought this kind of unhinged dog whistling conspiracy theorist was the route to electoral success, but when it became manifest they had been rumbled dropped her like a hot scone. The trouble with dog whistles is sometimes the dogs want to bight your head off.

Her partner in whakadoodlery Avi Yemini, neo fascist zionist conspiracy theorist and all round good egg. whose views she absolutely didnt know before she agreed to be interviewed by him for a video despite their being splashed all over his party website and his twitter feed, also got the mother of all drubbings in his bid for a legislative council seat. Karma is a lady dog some days.

 

[DaRick]

The Liberals only existed to oppose trade unionism.

No, they were an anti-socialist/communist party first and foremost.

Menzies did oppose compulsory unionism, but not trade unions per se, as per one of his 'The Forgotten People' essays below:

https://menziesvirtualmuseum.org.au...ten-people/82-chapter-24-compulsory-unionism/

Recently there has been a good deal of discussion about compulsory unionism. Indeed, there is some evidence that the Government has been taking some steps towards making it a working principle in the case of Government contracts. It is therefore necessary that you and I should have some clear and reasoned view about it.

I happen to be against it. But my opposition to it is not an opposition to unionism as such. The trades union movement has meant a great deal in our industrial history. It has represented collective bargaining. It has given strength to the workers as a group which no worker as an individual could have possessed. It has been an effective weapon against the obdurate or short-sighted employer. It has had some supreme value in the working of the characteristically Australian system of compulsory industrial arbitration. As a servant of the wage-earner, unionism has done an extraordinarily good job of work.

The movement for compulsory unionism breaks new ground. The trades union has been a splendid servant. It now aspires to be a master.

 

[The Casey Cat]

Yeah that was Turnbull.

They were behind in the 2PP polls but absolutely dominant in preferred PM when Turnbull was leader.

Response? Ditch the PM.

Yep. I don't like MT all that much but think if they would have allowed him to tweak and shake up the party a bit and bring it properly into 2018 they could have governed comfortably for a very long time. They didn't and pushed very hard the other way. It seems being blasted into oblivion is all that may learn them.

 

[Juddism]

Yeah that was Turnbull.

They were behind in the 2PP polls but absolutely dominant in preferred PM when Turnbull was leader.

Response? Ditch the PM.

and only 2 points behind...which is more likely 50-50 and a good chance at winning.

 

[Baltimore Jack]

On a personal note, I am acquainted with Danielle Green and am delighted that she won Yan Yean as expected. She’s an excellent local member.

Known her for years from when she was active in the CPSU