b0ydman
Norm Smith Medallist
Re: Primus - is the gloss wearing off already
very good point that
the players most certainly did try harder last year once primus was watching them and their cards were being marked- which is another reason I detest so many of them
but what did we expect? they took $ for playing that grand final- it shows how much integrity they really had doesnt it
if we transfer that hard run in those 7 games onto chocos coaching and games would he have got more out of the players than primus did in those 7 games? hmm maybe
my belief is that even when the players were lazy and earning the front runner moniker under choco they performed better under choco than their they have offering the same insipid performances under primus. i put that down to primus being less skilled and tactical as a coach and having a worse game plan
so the difference is that primus had the chance to move them on but didn't. he was saying let me have those same players under MY game plan and watch them flourish. and then they tried in those last 7 games and he was deceived and didn't shut the door on them like he should have
but then from rd 1 he decided not to run with all of them and went youth. which didn't make sense because if he didnt move on these players why didn't he play them in rd 1? wasn't it about him coming in and saying i can coach these players better?
so Rd 1 playing youth made NO sense whatsoever.
All we can take is that he decided he had to play youth to his game plan. which means it will take a few years to train these newer players into his stype (watever the heck that is)
but now he is drawing from the dry well recalling ebert, rodan, salopek, kane, pearce, ie the chief culprits. and that is a massive problem
were they good or werent they primus?
if they werent why did you not axe them
if they were why didn't you play them and slowly bring fresh faces in?
the more I read this thread the more I see how hopeless primus is. my only hope is that he has a plan, even though we can't see it, and that maybe lack of fitness or injuries or some clever plot he has to hide it until rd 1 next year is being developed
the thing is, we CAN hope he's trying structure which will come good like choco in 2000, but we have to accept that he is trying to do it with the same players he dropped because even he could see they weren't up to it (just like the rest of us can see).
but here's the bad news- primus has gone back to the well of recycled hacks, and we know they aren't up to anyones game plans
this means we have 2 more years in the wilderness, as we blamed choco for giving us- until we have rotated enough players on and have a fresh team of tryers who, we hope, can play under his game plan that we hope has legs
actually, thats 4 years, and has a lot of IFs attached
basically, the board should said it was choco not the players and now we've seen it was the players not choco and we're stuffed
sadly we can't absolve primus because this frankenteam is also his baby. he contributed to the sporm milkshake that bore it and it would appear we have seen enough to know that tactically he isn't up to it with them or fresh players.
i rate both choco and primus poorly and as failures for different reasons with the same result.
failures
getting sucked in by the culprits in late '10
not trading sacking them or moving them on where out of contract
not showing a single tactical move in the entire season 2011
the failure of being beaten GC from 42 up at Home
not speaking properly to the media
letting IT boys speak on your behalf
not being open re Surjan
being confused as to what you are doing with Chad
bringing back in players you drop- ie pettigrew, salopek
not trying players in new positions (apart from surjan ever a strange move that was)
recycling players we all agree have no long term future with the club
letting the players play lazy and have fun and not work hard in the face of the entire world and media spelling it out- we are LAZY (ie punish them by dropping them)
Persisting with some players who show absolutely nothing (Jacobs, Moore, Oshea- who can only show the ability to have excellent endurance), while not playing others like Banner, Butcher, Salter
Actually having most of the players in the team go backwards under your reign- but not because positional or structural reasons
not sticking to the 2 bad games policy
the worlds most stupid sub ever- in Kane
the disappearance of the play on don't kick backwards
Wins
the 3/4 time moment vs Adelaide
the appearance of the play on don't kick backwards
Can i just ask anyone, if you have the video, watch the games last year vs bulldogs and st kilda. that is all you need to know about his coaching abilities
Primus is a dud. fzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. a flat tyre a busted ballon
if he was any good he's either show it or say it or do something. or anything
all we have is nothing. absolutely nothing
very good point that
the players most certainly did try harder last year once primus was watching them and their cards were being marked- which is another reason I detest so many of them
but what did we expect? they took $ for playing that grand final- it shows how much integrity they really had doesnt it
if we transfer that hard run in those 7 games onto chocos coaching and games would he have got more out of the players than primus did in those 7 games? hmm maybe
my belief is that even when the players were lazy and earning the front runner moniker under choco they performed better under choco than their they have offering the same insipid performances under primus. i put that down to primus being less skilled and tactical as a coach and having a worse game plan
so the difference is that primus had the chance to move them on but didn't. he was saying let me have those same players under MY game plan and watch them flourish. and then they tried in those last 7 games and he was deceived and didn't shut the door on them like he should have
but then from rd 1 he decided not to run with all of them and went youth. which didn't make sense because if he didnt move on these players why didn't he play them in rd 1? wasn't it about him coming in and saying i can coach these players better?
so Rd 1 playing youth made NO sense whatsoever.
All we can take is that he decided he had to play youth to his game plan. which means it will take a few years to train these newer players into his stype (watever the heck that is)
but now he is drawing from the dry well recalling ebert, rodan, salopek, kane, pearce, ie the chief culprits. and that is a massive problem
were they good or werent they primus?
if they werent why did you not axe them
if they were why didn't you play them and slowly bring fresh faces in?
the more I read this thread the more I see how hopeless primus is. my only hope is that he has a plan, even though we can't see it, and that maybe lack of fitness or injuries or some clever plot he has to hide it until rd 1 next year is being developed
the thing is, we CAN hope he's trying structure which will come good like choco in 2000, but we have to accept that he is trying to do it with the same players he dropped because even he could see they weren't up to it (just like the rest of us can see).
but here's the bad news- primus has gone back to the well of recycled hacks, and we know they aren't up to anyones game plans
this means we have 2 more years in the wilderness, as we blamed choco for giving us- until we have rotated enough players on and have a fresh team of tryers who, we hope, can play under his game plan that we hope has legs
actually, thats 4 years, and has a lot of IFs attached
basically, the board should said it was choco not the players and now we've seen it was the players not choco and we're stuffed
sadly we can't absolve primus because this frankenteam is also his baby. he contributed to the sporm milkshake that bore it and it would appear we have seen enough to know that tactically he isn't up to it with them or fresh players.
i rate both choco and primus poorly and as failures for different reasons with the same result.
failures
getting sucked in by the culprits in late '10
not trading sacking them or moving them on where out of contract
not showing a single tactical move in the entire season 2011
the failure of being beaten GC from 42 up at Home
not speaking properly to the media
letting IT boys speak on your behalf
not being open re Surjan
being confused as to what you are doing with Chad
bringing back in players you drop- ie pettigrew, salopek
not trying players in new positions (apart from surjan ever a strange move that was)
recycling players we all agree have no long term future with the club
letting the players play lazy and have fun and not work hard in the face of the entire world and media spelling it out- we are LAZY (ie punish them by dropping them)
Persisting with some players who show absolutely nothing (Jacobs, Moore, Oshea- who can only show the ability to have excellent endurance), while not playing others like Banner, Butcher, Salter
Actually having most of the players in the team go backwards under your reign- but not because positional or structural reasons
not sticking to the 2 bad games policy
the worlds most stupid sub ever- in Kane
the disappearance of the play on don't kick backwards
Wins
the 3/4 time moment vs Adelaide
the appearance of the play on don't kick backwards
Can i just ask anyone, if you have the video, watch the games last year vs bulldogs and st kilda. that is all you need to know about his coaching abilities
Primus is a dud. fzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. a flat tyre a busted ballon
if he was any good he's either show it or say it or do something. or anything
all we have is nothing. absolutely nothing
