Qld Queensland State Election 2024

[Johnny Bananas]

Crisafulli wedged on abortion as Katter party flags vote to criminalise terminations

Exclusive: Robbie Katter says he will immediately sponsor a bill to amend the current legislation if the LNP is elected this month

www.theguardian.com

LNP leader refuses to say if his MPs will get conscience vote on abortion

David Crisafulli has once again sidestepped questions about whether he would allow a conscience vote on a future KAP bill to repeal abortion laws — and why he voted against Labor's decriminalisation bill in 2018.

www.abc.net.au

And here comes the right wing nut job brigade. I hope this makes a few people think twice about voting for them.

I also hope anyone who still thinks the Katters are lovable larrikins wakes up now and realises they are deeply conservative, backwards-looking extremists.

 

[GrayRanga]

And here comes the right wing nut job brigade. I hope this makes a few people think twice about voting for them.

I hope anyone who still thinks the Katters are lovable larrikins wakes up now and realises they are deeply conservative, backwards-looking extremists.

Looking at the US Deep South to translate to votes in Queensland's Deep North?

Selling guns and imposing restrictions to women's reproductive health works so well in Florida

And the interim they are keeping their brand in the headlines in Murdoch media based culture wars

 

[Gough]

This is a dry run for the Federal election, a policy free Liberal Party whipping as much discontent as they can hoping to get into office on the back of that knowing that if they're honest about what they to do they're unelectable.

 

[campbell]

This is a dry run for the Federal election, a policy free Liberal Party whipping as much discontent as they can hoping to get into office on the back of that knowing that if they're honest about what they to do they're unelectable.

with free reign from the courier mail, sowing lies.

what could go wrong.

 

[Boxo004]

This is a dry run for the Federal election, a policy free Liberal Party whipping as much discontent as they can hoping to get into office on the back of that knowing that if they're honest about what they to do they're unelectable.

The LNP literally has to do nothing to win this election. Miles and Palachook have lost this a long long way out. Nothing to do with lies or discontent. The electorate are over it.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Shifty bastard.

 

[spinynorman]

Shifty bastard.

I love that he immediately crumbles. That's an instant classic.

Anyway, seems from an outsider like Miles is the only state leader in this country actually implementing policies aimed at making people's lives better (50 cent public transport, state-owned petrol stations etc). Unfortunately it seems like the party has already been defeated, and maybe these are just the desperate offerings of a government deciding to actually do things to save themselves, but it seems an awful shame that Queenslanders have decided it's more important to throw kids in jail.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

I love that he immediately crumbles. That's an instant classic.

Anyway, seems from an outsider like Miles is the only state leader in this country actually implementing policies aimed at making people's lives better (50 cent public transport, state-owned petrol stations etc). Unfortunately it seems like the party has already been defeated, and maybe these are just the desperate offerings of a government deciding to actually do things to save themselves, but it seems an awful shame that Queenslanders have decided it's more important to throw kids in jail.

Too many boomers and Gen Xers who think being "tough on crime" has ever worked.

 

[Saint]

Too many boomers and Gen Xers who think being "tough on crime" has ever worked.

The actual remedies are tossed in the too-hard basket by conservatives every time they're elected.

Screw supporting families in poverty, just wait until the kids grow up poor, malnourished and mentally ill and toss them in prison.

 

[Ohitsthatguy]

I've been pretty impressed with Miles but Labor too long in power, LNP were always gonna get a go

Pretty sure they'll **** it up and be out in a term

 

[Johnny Bananas]

I've been pretty impressed with Miles but Labor too long in power, LNP were always gonna get a go

Pretty sure they'll **** it up and be out in a term

You have to ask, despite how bad Labor has been, if the LNP are destined to screw it all up, why are voters trusting them? Newman wasn't that long ago.

 

[Ohitsthatguy]

You have to ask, despite how bad Labor has been, if the LNP are destined to screw it all up, why are voters trusting them? Newman wasn't that long ago.

Ten years is a long time in politics

There will be a lot of government changes with cost of living and housing going on because none of the majors will do anything about it

 

[Gough]

If you voted no at the referendum because you were worried about detail it would be pretty difficult to vote for the LNP here.

 

[Kram]

Queensland Labor promises free school lunches in a $1.4b vote grab​

James Hall and John Kehoe
Oct 13, 2024 – 2.49pm

A $1.4 billion election cash splash by the Queensland Labor government to give children free school lunches will add to a $600 billion state and territory debt pile that is growing faster than federal government borrowings and making it harder for the central bank to reduce inflation.
Premier Steven Miles on Sunday promised to provide free lunches to primary school children if re-elected at a cost of $350 million a year in the latest vote grab from an embattled government fighting to stay alive in an election viewed as a test of Labor sentiment before a federal poll.

 

[Gough]

"Vote grab" is an interesting way of describing an attempt to achieve better educational outcomes.

 

[Seeds]

"Vote grab" is an interesting way of describing an attempt to achieve better educational outcomes.

Any spending, regardless of if its good or bad, is a vote grab if it doesnt come with a way to fund it.

 

[Seeds]

Too many boomers and Gen Xers who think being "tough on crime" has ever worked.

It does work as a band aid solution in the short run. Improved public education, a better economy to provide jobs for all and better social welfare support are the necessary policies that work in the long run. But they dont work immediately in the short run.

Whether people like it or not both short and long run solutions are needed. There are simply too many residential break ins, a large share carried out by young people, to ignore at the moment. Ive had 2 break in attempts in the past 18 months. All my neighbours have had similar problems. Women and children are becoming terrfied at night. Its leading to mental health issues. And im not saying the libs have the right or just solutions for the short run either. But something different is needed. More police roaming the streets for starters. Stronger disincentives for crime. Labor are completely disinterested. Although they have to be fair and not discriminate.

 

[Kram]

Living in a low socio economic area unfortunately idiots are known to send their kids to school with either an inadequate lunch or even nothing.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

It does work as a band aid solution in the short run.

Can you provide proof for this? Maybe some academic papers or articles in reputed news sources showing they work in the short run?

Whether people like it or not both short and long run solutions are needed. There are simply too many residential break ins, a large share carried out by young people, to ignore at the moment.

The statistics say youth crime in Queensland is down significantly over the past decade.

Ive had 2 break in attempts in the past 18 months. All my neighbours have had similar problems.

Were they conducted by youth? Couldn't this simply be a symptom of the increasingly unaffordable cost of living driving people into poverty rather than a problem with youth specifically?

Stronger disincentives for crime.

Again, I'd like to see evidence of where this has actually worked. The strongest disincentive of all, the death penalty, hasn't made the US less likely to have murders than other countries of comparable wealth.

 

[Seeds]

Can you provide proof for this? Maybe some academic papers or articles in reputed news sources showing they work in the short run?


The statistics say youth crime in Queensland is down significantly over the past decade.


Were they conducted by youth? Couldn't this simply be a symptom of the increasingly unaffordable cost of living driving people into poverty rather than a problem with youth specifically?


Again, I'd like to see evidence of where this has actually worked. The strongest disincentive of all, the death penalty, hasn't made the US less likely to have murders than other countries of comparable wealth.

If you lock up someone who is commiting robberies then ergo its just plain logical to say that reduces crime in the short run because those people are no longer able to commit robberies. How is this logic not sufficient for you? I agree it does not fix problems in the medium to long run. The insitutional problems that drive people to commit theft need to be fixed and if they arent then the system just drives other people to crime and they replace those who were locked up. But that takes time. It doesnt occur instantaneously. No person says hey, those guys just got locked up and as a result i will now commit the crimes that they would of.

I agree the death penalty doesnt deter crime. But thats not because threat of punishment doesnt deter crime. But more because there is no difference in deterence between life time in prison and the death penalty. Look at countries like Singapore. Very high inequality but very low crime because they are tough on crime and have created a society where status is linked to compliance.

Crime is down. I agree. Doesnt mean its down to acceptable levels though. Unfortunately until recently people have been blissfully unaware of how much crime happens in their neighbourhoods. But now thanks to cameras and people posting all the footage on social media people realise the robberies are regularly happening all around them. This awareness is creating mental health problems.

I agree poverty is a key issue (not the only one though). I dont think the recent affordability crisis is much of an issue though cos as you point out, the crime rate hasnt risen in the past couple of years.

 

[Rotayjay]

Screw supporting families in poverty, just wait until the kids grow up poor, malnourished and mentally ill and toss them in prison.

while their kids grow up in poverty with a dad who is always in and out of jail. Guess what'll happen when those kids turn 13 and 18? Not dux of the school, that's for sure.

 

[Rotayjay]

The cases are South Australian only, but I recommend reading sentencing remarks. It's an insight into the many factors the courts consider when setting a punishment, into the lives of people who commit offences, and what offences are being committed out there.

For crimes like assault and robbery, the offender almost always had a difficult childhood, and it is almost NEVER their first offence. It's a sad cycle.

Sentencing remarks - CAA

The Courts Administration Authority (CAA) administers justice on behalf of the people of South Australia. It is independent of the legislative and executive arms of government and is the means by which the judiciary of the state controls the administration of courts through which judicial power...

www.courts.sa.gov.au

 

[swingdog]

I see the LNP is calling for an end to compulsory preferential voting in Queensland.

Is this a different system in any way to what we have in the rest of the country? Is this was the Coalition would push for at a national level. I know the right of the party (e.g. Nick Minchin) was always keen on doing away with it.

 

[GrayRanga]

I see the LNP is calling for an end to compulsory preferential voting in Queensland.

Is this a different system in any way to what we have in the rest of the country? Is this was the Coalition would push for at a national level. I know the right of the party (e.g. Nick Minchin) was always keen on doing away with it.

Considering that Queensland was the first state to introduce preferential voting (1892)

 

[RedStarUncle]

I see the LNP is calling for an end to compulsory preferential voting in Queensland.

Is this a different system in any way to what we have in the rest of the country? Is this was the Coalition would push for at a national level. I know the right of the party (e.g. Nick Minchin) was always keen on doing away with it.

I think only systems that don't have full preferential voting are various upper chambers such as the Senate with a combination of partial preferential voting and proportional representation? Queensland doesn't have an upper chamber.

One benefit to moving away from full preferential voting is that it means more votes counted where a voter has a clear preference but has failed to fill in a ballot correctly. And as a general role more inclusive voting rules could be considered 'better' or 'fairer'.

But can't imagine it's an altruistic angle so there must be some benefit to the LNP in there somewhere... probably because of a lot of seats where Green votes flow to ALP or vice-versa to get over the LNP; if some of those Greens and ALP voters voted "1" for their party but didn't put a preference for the other ahead of LNP, that's a win for the LNP.


Equally true for any right-wing minor party preference flows into LNP... but realistically the Greens/ALP situation is the most significant source of meaningful preference flow in the country.