Preview R12: Changes v Wet Toast @ AO

[Jeffcrowe]

Nah, that’s simplistic rubbish and ignores the amount of ball directed to where Tex is. You’re basically saying that two Wayne Careys would have just duplicated his career. You’re smarter than that.

Tex isn’t Wayne Carey and is also on back end of career

But there was a guy called Corey Mckernan that went ok

What a crazy thought to think that Fog will never be able to play with another good key forward

We might as well fold

This is a horrible theory , Curnow / McKay … Lynch / Riewoldt , even Chol / Casboult

Fog played without tex to start the season and struggled

The way he attacked the ball , played in front , presented at kicker yesterday would make him a good AFL player in any side . He could go to Richmond and play with Tom Lynch no sweat if he played like yesterday

What happens if Thilthorpe starts dominating up forward ? Does that mean Fog can’t play well too ?

 

[1970crow]

Forget the two years out of the game, Milera was never the same after his AC joint injury in 2019. His attack on the ball dropped off noticeably for the rest of that season and he has never regained it. He makes Sholl look like Sloane in comparison. Following the foot and knee injuries, he's lost his main weapon which was his agility, and you are left with a player that is not AFL standard.

Obviously these are unnoticeable impediments on the training track or at SANFL level. Him playing round 1 is as bad a selection call as bringing Crouch back at the expense of Hately/Berry midfield minutes.

 

[Southerntakeover]

Nah, that’s simplistic rubbish and ignores the amount of ball directed to where Tex is. You’re basically saying that two Wayne Careys would have just duplicated his career. You’re smarter than that.

He's really not.

He's trapped himself into this position because he ridiculed the relatively straight forward proposition that the amount of targeting that Walker gets impacts upon the output of the other forwards weeks ago.

 

[1970crow]

Tex isn’t Wayne Carey and is also on back end of career

But there was a guy called Corey Mckernan that went ok

What a crazy thought to think that Fog will never be able to play with another good key forward

We might as well fold

This is a horrible theory , Curnow / McKay … Lynch / Riewoldt , even Chol / Casboult

Fog played without tex to start the season and struggled

The way he attacked the ball , played in front , presented at kicker yesterday would make him a good AFL player in any side . He could go to Richmond and play with Tom Lynch no sweat if he played like yesterday

What happens if Thilthorpe starts dominating up forward ? Does that mean Fog can’t play well too ?

McKernan and Carey were different types and could both take contested marks. Fog and Tex are similarly styled and contested marking from long bombs is a weakness. They both need the ball put in front of them to succeed and when Tex is around Fog gets SFA of that.

One of the commentators mentioned earlier in the week that Tex is leading the league for % of scores directed through him. It was about 40% of our scores. You refuse to admit it, but our entry strategy is either in front of Tex or as deep and long as possible. Anything else is pure necessity, not primary strategy.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

I just don’t understand what people have against Rowe.

He’s one of two players in the whole team that can actually hit a target.

He’s a bit scared amongst bodies is one thing

Does generally get things going with ball in hand

McKernan and Carey were different types and could both take contested marks. Fog and Tex are similarly styled and contested marking from long bombs is a weakness. They both need the ball put in front of them to succeed and when Tex is around Fog gets SFA of that.

One of the commentators mentioned earlier in the week that Tex is leading the league for % of scores directed through him. It was about 40% of our scores. You refuse to admit it, but our entry strategy is either in front of Tex or as deep and long as possible. Anything else is pure necessity, not primary strategy.

if Fogarty does what he did yesterday he will get plenty of opportunities

Surely you can see the things he did well yesterday vs what he wasn’t doing previously

I guess there is a chance Tex leaves somewhere else on a 2 year deal but if not it’s something that they are going to need to do re play together

 

[1970crow]

Tex isn’t Wayne Carey and is also on back end of career

But there was a guy called Corey Mckernan that went ok

What a crazy thought to think that Fog will never be able to play with another good key forward

We might as well fold

This is a horrible theory , Curnow / McKay … Lynch / Riewoldt , even Chol / Casboult

Fog played without tex to start the season and struggled

The way he attacked the ball , played in front , presented at kicker yesterday would make him a good AFL player in any side . He could go to Richmond and play with Tom Lynch no sweat if he played like yesterday

What happens if Thilthorpe starts dominating up forward ? Does that mean Fog can’t play well too ?

In terms of TT, he backs up what I’m saying. If he can’t outmark his opponent from our high ball to contest strategy then he’s not going to be doing much either.

I’m not saying Tex isn’t our best target in terms of immediate results, but you simply can’t have not noticed that most forward ball is directed his way.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Tex isn’t Wayne Carey and is also on back end of career

But there was a guy called Corey Mckernan that went ok

What a crazy thought to think that Fog will never be able to play with another good key forward

We might as well fold

This is a horrible theory , Curnow / McKay … Lynch / Riewoldt , even Chol / Casboult

Fog played without tex to start the season and struggled

The way he attacked the ball , played in front , presented at kicker yesterday would make him a good AFL player in any side . He could go to Richmond and play with Tom Lynch no sweat if he played like yesterday

What happens if Thilthorpe starts dominating up forward ? Does that mean Fog can’t play well too ?

Fog seems more suited to playing deeper more out of the goal square... so I would leave him there for a while.

Tex is comfortable at CHF, so would play him there when he returns.

Thilthorpe i would allow to play a floater role, where he can go anywhere as has a good tank. Even give him stints on a wing.

 

[1970crow]

He’s a bit scared amongst bodies is one thing

Does generally get things going with ball in hand

if Fogarty does what he did yesterday he will get plenty of opportunities

Surely you can see the things he did well yesterday vs what he wasn’t doing previously

I guess there is a chance Tex leaves somewhere else on a 2 year deal but if not it’s something that they are going to need to do re play together

No he won’t because Tex controls the forward area and directs the other forwards as to where they need to be and go. Plus you’re ignoring directions to players who are kicking at our 50. It’s not haphazard, it’s a clear and obvious coaching direction.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

In terms of TT, he backs up what I’m saying. If he can’t outmark his opponent from our high ball to contest strategy then he’s not going to be doing much either.

I’m not saying Tex isn’t our best target in terms of immediate results, but you simply can’t have not noticed that most forward ball is directed his way.

Yes of course

But it’s all about how Fogarty plays , imagine him next week with that hunger and confidence I think he can carry that form thru with Tex there

Players are intuitive , if he looks dangerous the ball will start to come thru him more

McAdam has prob been our most dangerous forward I50 in last month aerially pre yesterday for same reasons

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Fog seems more suited to playing deeper more out of the goal square... so I would leave him there for a while.

Tex is comfortable at CHF, so would play him there when he returns.

Thilthorpe i would allow to play a floater role, where he can go anywhere as has a good tank. Even give him stints on a wing.

Agree with this

 

[LeftyLuke]

Nope. There was more to it. He had scans the week of the St Kilda game. He was clearly struggling but they decided to play him and give him the Geelong game off. That had been predetermined before ‘corky’.
Just so stupid to play him against Saints when he was clearly struggling

Almost as though a coach was risking a first year player to save his job.

 

[1970crow]

Yes of course

But it’s all about how Fogarty plays , imagine him next week with that hunger and confidence I think he can carry that form thru with Tex there

Players are intuitive , if he looks dangerous the ball will start to come thru him more

McAdam has prob been our most dangerous forward I50 in last month aerially pre yesterday for same reasons

McAdam is a bit similar to Gollant on the sense that they’re the 4th tall that can actually compete aerially and take the grab. They can take a grab when the ball goes in high and long. McAdam is better at pressure after the ball hits the deck. Still, they’d be doing better if they were allowed to create separation and get hit up 40+ out. Like our other forwards that are denied that opportunity in terms of fundamental strategy.

Tex is the only guy that gets honoured on a lead beyond about 30m from goal that’s not on a boundary line. Otherwise it’s look to the sky boys, we’re going high and long to force a stoppage. If we magically take a contested grab then awesome.

 

[BunjiMac]

Our strategy is clearly doing our offense and forwards no favours.

Our midfielders are generally poor one on one players. We therefore rely on numbers to try and wrestle midfield control. We send our forwards into the midfield to try and do this. This leaves our forwards out outnumbered when the ball comes forward and generally with a loose defender to cut off the ball coming in. Compounding this is our atrocious skills delivering the ball.

Now if you want to play with this strategy you need midfielders with sublime skills or forwards who are lighting quick and fit.

It's no wonder the only person in that seems to mark on the lead in this setup is McAdam.

 

[LeftyLuke]

It's fairly obvious that Nicks has lost his way with selection. What he needs to do is get back to the team that was playing around 6 weeks ago. Get Cook and Gollant back in the team if fit as they are players we should be getting games into. Get players like Crouch and Milera out. Brown needs to go as well. Also I don't think we can play all of McHenry, Rowe, Murphy, one needs to go. Give Worrell a chance before being traded. Maybe play Thilthorpe up the ground and give Himmelberg once last chance. If he doesn't perform trade him.

 

[spenze]

McAsey is playing as a forward at SANFL level. There is literally a 0% chance he gets selected at AFL level as a defender. Not 1%. 0.

Nothing more AFC than doing it

 

[chrisso crow]

McKernan and Carey were different types and could both take contested marks. Fog and Tex are similarly styled and contested marking from long bombs is a weakness. They both need the ball put in front of them to succeed and when Tex is around Fog gets SFA of that.

One of the commentators mentioned earlier in the week that Tex is leading the league for % of scores directed through him. It was about 40% of our scores. You refuse to admit it, but our entry strategy is either in front of Tex or as deep and long as possible. Anything else is pure necessity, not primary strategy.

I'm pretty sure it was mentioned in the commentary during the Saints game that Nicks quarter time address included the fact that we need to look for other targets, not just Tex.

I didn't get to see yesterdays game, but sounds like Fog was much improved. Let's hope this is not just a once off like Himmelberg's game v Port was, and that he can continue this form more frequently.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

McAdam is a bit similar to Gollant on the sense that they’re the 4th tall that can actually compete aerially and take the grab. They can take a grab when the ball goes in high and long. McAdam is better at pressure after the ball hits the deck. Still, they’d be doing better if they were allowed to create separation and get hit up 40+ out. Like our other forwards that are denied that opportunity in terms of fundamental strategy.

Tex is the only guy that gets honoured on a lead beyond about 30m from goal that’s not on a boundary line. Otherwise it’s look to the sky boys, we’re going high and long to force a stoppage. If we magically take a contested grab then awesome.

yep McAdam has been playing the deepest forward but he has been honoured because he’s been presenting well with good work rate ( much better than last year )

and looking dangerous for a good month , if you look at some of his marks there are quite a few on a lead I50 and outside 50

I’d like to see a combo of him and Fog deep and Tex and Thilthorpe high

I think Fogarty struggles higher up the ground for various reasons so that’s the key when Tex is back . Ok maybe he won’t get as many opportunities maybe he will but it’s all about doing some of the things he did yesterday

 

[LeftyLuke]

You have to play Tex. He is still smashing it.

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Not the last 2 or 3 games.

 

[DJ75]

Almost as though a coach was risking a first year player to save his job.

I know what part of the body the scan was on (Rachele had been reporting soreness), and even though he was given the all clear from the scan, there is NO chance I would have risked him. Just unnecessary. An injury in that area can have long term effects.

 

[CrowFrenzy]

With you on Brown, but Milera needs to go until he’s physically up to it. If your view is that Jones is done then we look at anyone else but Milera for now.

Nicks needs to decide the side he intends to move forward with in the future and then settle with this side for the 2nd half of the season almost regardless of form (unless the form is horrendous or they are unfit). In the 24 and unders I would be giving as much game time as possible to Jones (reluctantly), Hately, Thilthorpe, Fog, Rachele, Soglio, Cook, Shoenberg, Berry, Hamill, McHenry, Newchurch, Gollant, Strachan, Hinge, Murray.

I've excluded Butts as I think he has shown more than enough to suggest we can definitely pencil him in as 150+ game player.

We have seen enough of Himmelberg, Sholl, Rowe, Murphy, Frampton.

How does he handle 25 and overs:

Laird/Keays - Play - Personally I would love to see only 1 but will not happen.
Crouch- Harsh but SANFL
Sloane - Inj
Seedsman - Inj
Dawson - Play
Tex - Play
Brown - Harsh but SANFL
McAdam - Not sure what to do with him
Milera - It's almost half back or career over
Smith - Play
Doedee - Play
O'Brien - Swapping with Strachan depending on form

 

[DJ75]

Nicks needs to decide the side he intends to move forward with in the future and then settle with this side for the 2nd half of the season almost regardless of form (unless the form is horrendous or they are unfit). In the 24 and unders I would be giving as much game time as possible to Jones (reluctantly), Hately, Thilthorpe, Fog, Rachele, Soglio, Cook, Shoenberg, Berry, Hamill, McHenry, Newchurch, Gollant, Strachan, Hinge, Murray.

I've excluded Butts as I think he has shown more than enough to suggest we can definitely pencil him in as 150+ game player.

We have seen enough of Himmelberg, Sholl, Rowe, Murphy, Frampton.

How does he handle 25 and overs:

Laird/Keays - Play - Personally I would love to see only 1 but will not happen.
Crouch- Harsh but SANFL
Sloane - Inj
Seedsman - Inj
Dawson - Play
Tex - Play
Brown - Harsh but SANFL
McAdam - Not sure what to do with him
Milera - It's almost half back or career over
Smith - Play
Doedee - Play
O'Brien - Swapping with Strachan depending on form

McAdam - play and then trade. MUST trade at end of season. He is playing well and will be at peak value.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Nicks needs to decide the side he intends to move forward with in the future and then settle with this side for the 2nd half of the season almost regardless of form (unless the form is horrendous or they are unfit). In the 24 and unders I would be giving as much game time as possible to Jones (reluctantly), Hately, Thilthorpe, Fog, Rachele, Soglio, Cook, Shoenberg, Berry, Hamill, McHenry, Newchurch, Gollant, Strachan, Hinge, Murray.

I've excluded Butts as I think he has shown more than enough to suggest we can definitely pencil him in as 150+ game player.

We have seen enough of Himmelberg, Sholl, Rowe, Murphy, Frampton.

How does he handle 25 and overs:

Laird/Keays - Play - Personally I would love to see only 1 but will not happen.
Crouch- Harsh but SANFL
Sloane - Inj
Seedsman - Inj
Dawson - Play
Tex - Play
Brown - Harsh but SANFL
McAdam - Not sure what to do with him
Milera - It's almost half back or career over
Smith - Play
Doedee - Play
O'Brien - Swapping with Strachan depending on form

McAdam has been in great form since coming back into the side, so need to play him.

Also not writing of Sholl yet.

 

[Crow till I die]

McAdam - play and then trade. MUST trade at end of season. He is playing well and will be at peak value.

And replace him with what?

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

And replace him with what?

Exactly.

We can't just trade all our players over 25 out as we need a core group of experienced players.

We already have the youngest & most inexperienced list.

However, there is no point playing older players who are not performing consistently.

 

[UcantCme]

McAdam - play and then trade. MUST trade at end of season. He is playing well and will be at peak value.

And then what?

You actually back our drafting team then to nail the draft pick we receive to be better than McAdam

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