Game Day Rnd 4 Dogs V Crows

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

GWS vs Sydney rnd 1 2014.

C'mon... the perennially slow starting Swans vs a team that was 3-0

It's no comparison

 

[Flags_In_The_Bag]

campaigner

Another follower that uses the word campaigner

 

[Mattrox]

C'mon... the perennially slow starting Swans vs a team that was 3-0

It's no comparison

Shifting goal posts.



All teams underperform at some stage.

 

[Elite Crow]

C'mon... the perennially slow starting Swans vs a team that was 3-0

It's no comparison

It is for those who always see the positives, sometimes not reality though

 

[Flags_In_The_Bag]

campaigner

Truth to it though, the Crows should not get disheartened, they have some very good players and will still be challenging for the 8 imo

 

[little graham]

Understands the big picture

It's happening to everyone. the premiers were absolute shit for a quarter against an average side, also lost Essendon. Essendon lost to Collingwood, who lost to us. They're are no obvious reasons.

 

[Elite Crow]

Shifting goal posts.



All teams underperform at some stage.

No it's not. Rd 1 a team taking a basket case easy is a lot different to Rd 4 getting spanked by a side that's not bad and you wouldn't be expecting a walk in the park.

 

[Flags_In_The_Bag]

Jenkins, Lynch, Wright, Henderson, Mackay and Hartigan are all being horribly exposed.

Dangerfield shits me to tears too.

Serious question, are you one that would have taken Melbourne's pick 2 and 3 for him last year?

 

[little graham]

Truth to it though, the Crows should not get disheartened, they have some very good players and will still be challenging for the 8 imo

You guys are suppose to be bottom after all your off season dramas and defections. We were three nil loving life under Walshy. You gave us a lesson.

I was uneasy all week as I remember all the times you've done this to us before, I also no what it means to our season.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Shifting goal posts.



All teams underperform at some stage.

Not to that level

And if it's just a blip it's because there were reasons why; players out, early injuries, inaccuracy in front of goal, five day break...

What are our reasons?

 

[FR0GGY]

Serious question, are you one that would have taken Melbourne's pick 2 and 3 for him last year?

Just about everyone would take 2 and 3 for him

 

[MRB37]

I don't buy the "Walsh doesn't have a plan B" argument. It may be me making excuses in my head, but I get the feeling he was using the game as a continued development of plan A. We were getting smashed, but wanted to see if it could hold up or turn the tide on what the Bullies were throwing at us and then what were the weaknesses of the structures and where were we most vunerable? He's said numerous times that it's one thing to scout yourself in training, but it's not until the real games start that you see what you're made of. Walsh likely got a long term vision in place and hiring him wasn't on the back of missing the finals for 2 years and immediately trying to vault back in. It was a completely overhaul of the club, structurally and culturally that will take time to fully play out. There will be plenty of pumps in the road, but games like yesterday help you find out which guys you think you will be able to rely upon and who you'll be looking at as guys that don't fit the mold of what you want.

 

[little graham]

What are our reasons?

There is a press conference a few weeks back where Walshy says there's a deficiency we have that requires specific training for. He says with the 6 day breaks early in the season, he can't do anything until we start getting 7-8 day breaks.

Maybe your reason?

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

There is a press conference a few weeks back where Walshy says there's a deficiency we have that requires specific training for. He says with the 6 day breaks early in the season, he can't do anything until we start getting 7-8 day breaks.

Maybe your reason?

Didn't we have an 8 day break?

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

I don't buy the "Walsh doesn't have a plan B" argument. It may be me making excuses in my head, but I get the feeling he was using the game as a continued development of plan A. We were getting smashed, but wanted to see if it could hold up or turn the tide on what the Bullies were throwing at us and then what were the weaknesses of the structures and where were we most vunerable? He's said numerous times that it's one thing to scout yourself in training, but it's not until the real games start that you see what you're made of. Walsh likely got a long term vision in place and hiring him wasn't on the back of missing the finals for 2 years and immediately trying to vault back in. It was a completely overhaul of the club, structurally and culturally that will take time to fully play out. There will be plenty of pumps in the road, but games like yesterday help you find out which guys you think you will be able to rely upon and who you'll be looking at as guys that don't fit the mold of what you want.

The game plan will come. Yesterday was nothing to do with it IMO

Intensity
Inability to tackle
No running
Horrific ball handling
Even worse kicking
Losing one on one contests

No plan can cover for a complete absence of fundamentals

 

[little graham]

I don't buy the "Walsh doesn't have a plan B" argument. I

What is plan B? Jenkins to CHB, Talia to full forward lol? No let me guess, Betts to BP and Hartigan to the forward pocket. LMFAO

Think about it, WE have a coach, who we hired, because we thought, he could introduce a style, that would maintain membership numbers, maybe increase. I don't know to many teams, that have the time, to train enough,to be confident, to use , two styles, in this professional league. St kilda or Nth melbourne had no plan b when we destroyed the second half's of our grand finals. The only plan b in our last final, was from the umpires.

perhaps we can moderate this plan b fallacy out of this board?

 

[Flags_In_The_Bag]

Just about everyone would take 2 and 3 for him

was thinking the same when it was mentioned last year, thinking the crows would be mad not to

 

[little graham]

Didn't we have an 8 day break?

Maybe we over trained?

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Too well rested!

 

[FR0GGY]

was thinking the same when it was mentioned last year, thinking the crows would be mad not to

All though pretty sure Melbourne confirmed 2 and 3 were never on the table though.

 

[Mattrox]

It is for those who always see the positives, sometimes not reality though

No, it's reality. Teams disappoint. Making broad statements and drawing conclusions based of factually inaccurate information sounds nice in an argument does not address the real issues.

The team did not run to space to create options.

They did not persist when beaten.

They crumbled under pressure rather than making it a scrap.

That it between the ears. The mental approach to the task at hand was lacking.

Pretending broad statements are truth scores internetz pointz. But creating exceptions to the rule post-hoc, when challenged, shows it wasn't really the truth after all.

 

[little graham]

Too well rested!

Then there's a stable training stayers, will always hold back a bit before the cup.

Our cup is this week. If the AFl would acknowledge in the program, it's bigger than SANFL GF's pre 1990.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

What is plan B? Jenkins to CHB, Talia to full forward lol? No let me guess, Betts to BP and Hartigan to the forward pocket. LMFAO

Think about it, WE have a coach, who we hired, because we thought, he could introduce a style, that would maintain membership numbers, maybe increase. I don't know to many teams, that have the time, to train enough,to be confident, to use , two styles, in this professional league. St kilda or Nth melbourne had no plan b when we destroyed the second half's of our grand finals. The only plan b in our last final, was from the umpires.

perhaps we can moderate this plan b fallacy out of this board?

Seriously people are you that naive to go from "all's well in the world" ....to now criticizing the coach after one loss!!!

For a start the club currently already plays two styles .....if you can't see it ...you need to look closer

Secondly Walsh has a 20 year reputation of being one of the most astute tactical minds in the game ......you seriously dont think he thought of every permutation ?

Ok he didn't do what you think he should have .....so that means you can coach and Phil Walsh can't ......don't talk about it then ..rush off and put your application in (this post not aimed at Little Graham )

 

[Elite Crow]

No, it's reality. Teams disappoint. Making broad statements and drawing conclusions based of factually inaccurate information sounds nice in an argument does not address the real issues.

The team did not run to space to create options.

They did not persist when beaten.

They crumbled under pressure rather than making it a scrap.

That it between the ears. The mental approach to the task at hand was lacking.

Pretending broad statements are truth scores internetz pointz. But creating exceptions to the rule post-hoc, when challenged, shows it wasn't really the truth after all.

Teams disappoint, sometimes it's because you weren't good enough. I found your comparison of the GWS v Sydney game was silly. GWS played out of their skin against a side who would have taken them very easily. There is no way we would have taken WB easily, they are not a bottom side who have played well this year.

We struggled as our midfield got killed, we have a very average KPD and KPF who is as soft as butter. We produced a lot of clangers under the pressure they imposed, exactly what we did last year.

Maybe we were seduced by the good start and we still have many weaknesses to overcome.

 

[FR0GGY]

I haven't seen it mentioned, but phil tonight said dmac went onto murphy in the second half and was quite happy with his job. Murphy was just about best on.????