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Bontompelli would destroy him - some of you blokes are in lala land as far as required matchups and structure goes.
Preview Rnd 5 - Carlton v Bulldogs Sunday April 21st 1.10PM @ Marvel - Final Team - Post #854
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V the dogs too.
I feel like it should be composure. I am sick of seeing dump kicks forward that result in uncontested marks.
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We’ve got to find a way to improve in this area. Priority 1 for training. Drills that focus on ball movement from mids to forwards...and forwards having a plan for running patterns. Practice should relieve the pressures when players need to make quick decisions.
Kreuzer in for Lobbe. (i'd rather see Levi stay in so Harry can stay fwd without ruck duties).
Jack in for Setters.
+ who knows, maybe Cunners will be a surprise in?
Jack in for Setters.
+ who knows, maybe Cunners will be a surprise in?
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Would love it, but we've still got him listed at 1 week. Wouldn't want to risk it with the type of injury he has.
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I have been thinking a lot about the 4 talls we played last week and I think it largely came down to having to play Lobbe as the ruckman with Kreuzer, Phillips & TDK all injured.
In 2 games this year Lobbe has taken 2 marks and simply can not be a forward option. This means that if we were to ruck McKay the forward line suddenly looks pretty small.
I also think playing Lobbe caused some of our issues with Gibbons ending as the deep option going inside 50 as our talls had to push higher to create the option coming out of defence that should have been the ruckmans job.
Hopefully with Kreuzer coming in this should be rectified.
I would think we go Lobbe, Casboult & Setterfield (susp) out for Jack, Kennedy & Kreuzer. Makes us bat a lot deeper in the middle, especially around the stoppage, and look at little more dynamic up forward.
In 2 games this year Lobbe has taken 2 marks and simply can not be a forward option. This means that if we were to ruck McKay the forward line suddenly looks pretty small.
I also think playing Lobbe caused some of our issues with Gibbons ending as the deep option going inside 50 as our talls had to push higher to create the option coming out of defence that should have been the ruckmans job.
Hopefully with Kreuzer coming in this should be rectified.
I would think we go Lobbe, Casboult & Setterfield (susp) out for Jack, Kennedy & Kreuzer. Makes us bat a lot deeper in the middle, especially around the stoppage, and look at little more dynamic up forward.
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How about Caleb Daniel or Johanissen?
For sure. Going by reports he's been training so he'd be ready to go when he gets the all clear.
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Ed has been one of our most effective forwards, so I wouldn't be using him as a tagger. How about Gibbons though. Apparently he has a huge tank and knows his way around the midfield. It's not like it would be costing us a dangerous forward.
Fisher needs to play forward imo. He looked a dangerous on a number of occasions last weekend and he regularly chimes in for a goal or two. Perhaps rotate him with Murphy on the wing just to keep him involved.
Fisher needs to play forward imo. He looked a dangerous on a number of occasions last weekend and he regularly chimes in for a goal or two. Perhaps rotate him with Murphy on the wing just to keep him involved.
To me the most frustrating part is when our senior players do it, especially the hack high hook kick forward from a contest. It never works....
Reminds me of Mitch Robinson for us, would win the contest and hack it forward.
I would rather get pinned for HTB and taking the game on than seeing the same old every week with our kicking forward.
Kruezer in Lobbe Out
Silvagni in Setterfield Out
Kerr in Casboult Out
If Kennedy/Cunningham are fit I would bring in for O'Brien/Gibbons.
Our forward line is currently a debacle. It appears devoid of structure and natural forwards, which puts added pressure on our midfielders. Many have outlined the lack of connection between our forwards and mids, which really comes down to selection and coaching! A perfect example of the pressure it places on mids is Dow, whilst he isn't using the ball at all well, the amount of times he got it streaming forward and looked up with all our talls running away from him was scary. We desperately need a natural forward to lead up at him, and present to the right spots! This has happened to SPS, Cripps, Murphy, Fisher, Setterfield, etc countless times in first 4 rounds.
To help fix this:
Kruezer is clearly our number one ruck - so get him in! Unfortunately, opposition rucks have been in their best 3/4 weeks, just need the big bloke.
Kerr for me comes straight in and we reward the natural leading forward who consistently gets praised for best leading patterns at club - We desperately need this in the ones. He won't have the athleticism of Harry, Charlie and Mitch - but will present up all day and give the mids that leading option. Also gives the smalls a chance to crumb from someone running the right patterns.
Silvagni in also provides a lead up option when forward, however needs to be given mid minutes as well. Setterfield was playing a mix of minutes, so straight in to the exact role. Feel he will be a more natural forward when playing those minutes and carried the mid form from the twos.
Many have been overcome with excitement by the highlight reels of our three keys forwards above - Harry, Charlie and Mitch. Problem is, the 4 or 5 nice things a game really isn't enough, we need to ensure a significant portion of our 50 inside 50's a game have involvement from the key forwards. 4 contested marks and a goal over the top isn't enough, we need better. May get away with it from one of them, not 2 of the 3 a week. Wouldn't be against one of them having a go in the twos soon and asked to really impact a game, go take 12 plus marks/kick 5 goals/run the right patterns for 4 quarters!
We don't appear to have any small forwards unfortunately, so just picking based on reputation and defense.
It really worries me how little we as a club seem to care about the skill of playing forward. It appears we believe we can just place any player on our list there and give them a role.
Can we please start rewarding natural forwards, forwards who run the right patterns, forwards who demand the ball, forwards who get to the right spots and make it easy for our mids, forwards who instinctively know where the goals are!
Unfortunately, despite Kerr and Silvagni - we may not have many waiting in the wings. Cunningham looked an ok option in pre-season, so hopefully he gets a go soon.
Silvagni in Setterfield Out
Kerr in Casboult Out
If Kennedy/Cunningham are fit I would bring in for O'Brien/Gibbons.
Our forward line is currently a debacle. It appears devoid of structure and natural forwards, which puts added pressure on our midfielders. Many have outlined the lack of connection between our forwards and mids, which really comes down to selection and coaching! A perfect example of the pressure it places on mids is Dow, whilst he isn't using the ball at all well, the amount of times he got it streaming forward and looked up with all our talls running away from him was scary. We desperately need a natural forward to lead up at him, and present to the right spots! This has happened to SPS, Cripps, Murphy, Fisher, Setterfield, etc countless times in first 4 rounds.
To help fix this:
Kruezer is clearly our number one ruck - so get him in! Unfortunately, opposition rucks have been in their best 3/4 weeks, just need the big bloke.
Kerr for me comes straight in and we reward the natural leading forward who consistently gets praised for best leading patterns at club - We desperately need this in the ones. He won't have the athleticism of Harry, Charlie and Mitch - but will present up all day and give the mids that leading option. Also gives the smalls a chance to crumb from someone running the right patterns.
Silvagni in also provides a lead up option when forward, however needs to be given mid minutes as well. Setterfield was playing a mix of minutes, so straight in to the exact role. Feel he will be a more natural forward when playing those minutes and carried the mid form from the twos.
Many have been overcome with excitement by the highlight reels of our three keys forwards above - Harry, Charlie and Mitch. Problem is, the 4 or 5 nice things a game really isn't enough, we need to ensure a significant portion of our 50 inside 50's a game have involvement from the key forwards. 4 contested marks and a goal over the top isn't enough, we need better. May get away with it from one of them, not 2 of the 3 a week. Wouldn't be against one of them having a go in the twos soon and asked to really impact a game, go take 12 plus marks/kick 5 goals/run the right patterns for 4 quarters!
We don't appear to have any small forwards unfortunately, so just picking based on reputation and defense.
It really worries me how little we as a club seem to care about the skill of playing forward. It appears we believe we can just place any player on our list there and give them a role.
Can we please start rewarding natural forwards, forwards who run the right patterns, forwards who demand the ball, forwards who get to the right spots and make it easy for our mids, forwards who instinctively know where the goals are!
Unfortunately, despite Kerr and Silvagni - we may not have many waiting in the wings. Cunningham looked an ok option in pre-season, so hopefully he gets a go soon.
Agree - can't seem him getting up this week unfortunately. Hopefully it is just the one week, and the coaches have a decision which team he comes back too.
Believe it is significantly more serious than that, and we won't seem him before the byes.
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I like your analysis. The only thing I'd say is the forwards need to work it out in the seniors playing together. I'm not sure dropping one back to the twos is going to help with their 'cohesion'.
Top post couldn't agree more with all of that
As my selections state, I would have those three and Kerr playing this week. However, if they don't learn to play 4 quarters, we can't have 3 of them with great highlights going missing for long periods, so that would be when you pulled the trigger on twos and learning to impact a game even when not taking screamers.
Kerr provides structure and as the twos coach keeps saying, great leading patterns- Feel the other 3 don't necessarily bring that. So whilst it is a similar player and position, feel it provides a completely different avenue and covers a key need for the team.
JSOS plays more of his time in the twos as a mid these days, so would expect the higher disposal numbers, however does have the ability to play both roles - albeit cats midfielder stats were a little scary.
Big concern is, ones selection panel/list management don't seem to reward the natural forward or see them as a critical element.
Love the post.
Only thing that I would consider is Casboult staying in for McGovern. McGovern has been under injury clouds for most of the year and had another knock last week. Yes he did have a great quarter where he kicked some goals, but all in all I think his fitness isn't there at the moment and niggling injuries in games hasn't helped.
Casboult for all his shortcomings will crunch packs and compete. He will also take the back up ruck duties which allows us to leave McKay deep forward.
I know Casboult is a whipping boy but he does bring an impact in air contests we are lacking from McKay, C Curnow and McGovern at the moment.
Cheers.
I don't disagree that for the short term, Kerr leading and Casboult crashing packs and leading hard may be a better option at the expense of one of the more talented 3.
However, when balancing the need for future and developing cohesion I went with Levi out - similar to the view Nori expressed above, they need to play together.
That is the hard one for the selectors, however do agree they need to be developing the right sills/mindset/behaviours!
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Moody Blue
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When a team is confident and moving the ball they look quick. Look at the cheats. A couple of weeks ago they were accused of being the slowest midfield team in the comp. On the weekend they made Brisbane look pedestrian. Jones was brilliant on the weekend because he took chances, ran down the ground and made opportunities. I would be seriously tempted to play him at CHB and use this run and confidence. He showed the defenders what can be achieved if you apply yourself. Petrevski-Seeton was in and under and was everywhere on the weekend. If he can continue in this manner watch out, b/c you will see something special. The rest need to stop being afraid to fail. They have already done that, so they cannot go any lower. Start taking chances like Cripps and Walsh do.
Given how horrible we've been in this area in all 4 games I keep wondering if the players are playing to an overly complicated instruction/plan (I'm sure the plan isn't kick it to Gibbons and Bolts has already confirmed this). Running patterns are one thing but the continued poor decision making going into F50 seems to me like they are over thinking it and when you're not able to play on instinct I reckon you get more wrong than right.
For me forward play has always been the most creative part of the ground if you can call it that so let it flow naturally.
What about going back to good old playing on instinct forward of centre ..... I mean I'm pretty sure these guys weren't drafted on the back of the type of seemingly disorganised chaotic play we are seeing at the moment.
Also and I have only watched the season opener on tv so not sure if this is already happening, but if not push Charlie up the ground further (not into the middle as a mid though) to get more involved in transition/link up play, use his god damn famed tank for something more useful than camping in the forward line. If you guys are already seeing this then ignore
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The MC will be sharpening their axe in response to last weeks disappointing result.Four changes, out Lobbe, Setters,LOB and Levi.
In Kruezer, Jack, Kennedy and Stocker. It would be a good opportunity to give Stocker a run before Willo, McCready and Lang become available.
In Kruezer, Jack, Kennedy and Stocker. It would be a good opportunity to give Stocker a run before Willo, McCready and Lang become available.
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Don't like that Cersie....reminds me of Aphrodite...
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