Autopsy Roast & Toast vs GWS and Changes for R3 vs St Kilda

[sportshow]

Thats jack graham every single week.

he seems faster than i remember ....

 

[Noidnadroj]

Once again it's got nothing to do with how many possessions he gets, it's the way he goes about it. As you said Cotchin became twice the player when he stopped stat padding and started to impact the game through his attack on the ball and the opposition. So when he isn't attacking the ball and the opposition his impact on the game isn't the same. That is why he had so many contested possessions, clearances and tackles because he is in and under the packs and while he got clearances and contested possessions against Carlton there was no impact from them.

Compare the stat lines:

R1 - 14 disposals 2 tackles 3 clearances 9 contested 2 score involvements 5 effective disposals 4 turnovers 2 interceptions 171 metres gained 2 I50s 1 R50 37.5% efficiency 76%TOG
R2 - 18 disposals 8 tackles 4 clearances 10 contested 7 score involvements 13 effective disposals 2 turnovers 4 interceptions 288 metres gained 6 I50s 2 R50s 72.2% efficiency 76%TOG

I've highlighted where his impact on the game improves when he is playing like he did on Sunday and it comes from him being in and around the contest and involved in the play a lot more than he appeared to be against Carlton.

Again there was no suggestion to drop Cotchin last week in fact I'd say he'd have a good 4-5 week block to find form before questions start getting asked about his spot in the side at club level and he seemed to find some form last week which eases the pressure a bit, however another couple of games like he produced against Carlton will see the queries begin again.

No, you suggested he’s not held to the same level of account as other players which I think is garbage. He was good the last 3 matches he played of 2021.

R20 v Freo: 32 touches. 11 CP. 4 SI. 4CL.
Round 21 v Roos: 23 touches. 8 CP. 6 SI. 4 clearances
R22 v GWS: 31 / 15 / 6 / 8

He was very good in each pre-season match. He was very ordinary against Carlton. He was very good against GWS.

So I’d argue he has pretty solid form.

Cotchin is past his best. But he’s still a vital member of our midfield. I just can’t stand the idea of our own supporters turning him into a whipping boy should we drop away in 2022.

Shaun Burgoyne played sh*te football for most of his last 2-3 seasons, but not a single media commentator, Hawks support or oppo supporter turned the blowtorch on him. It won’t be turned on Selwood. It won’t be turned on Josh Kennedy from Sydney. Or Pendlebury from the Pies (Kennedy and Pendles taking cushy roles at HB).

But Cotchin plays a poor game round one and the media and some our own supporters salivate at calling for his head and calling him finished like it’s a trophy to be the first to announce his demise.

He has earnt more respect than that.


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[1980GFVideo]

CCJ can’t even get a game for the bottom team who is rebuilding and attracted him with a juicy 4-year deal…. with Goldy and Xerri ahead of him in the ruck pecking order, plus Comben and Edwards also looking very promising CJ seems to have made a poor career move.


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If they have paid a decent sum of money for him over four years then they need him to become a player.

He only showed signs at Richmond. Bit of a gamble there that could bite them on the backside. Ive seen a number of players have debut years more promising that him and yet fade out after a couple of years.

 

[db26]

If they have paid a decent sum of money for him over four years then they need him to become a player.

He only showed signs at Richmond. Bit of a gamble there that could bite them on the backside. Ive seen a number of players have debut years more promising that him and yet fade out after a couple of years.

Roos second rd selection looks good so far.

 

[tony__montana]

If Jack is in, I would love to see him play off the HFF, move up to the wing & stay out of the way of Balta & Lynch. He is still a smart player who is slowing down & we cant afford to have our forward 50 too congested. He is still useful with the ball in hand & I think he is a better player when he moves around as he is one of the best readers of the ball in our team.

I remember when he first started he was a classic 3rd tall type who played in the holes. Then he obviously grew into a great KP fwd, good time to go back to his roots and that original role, suits a smart footballer. I don’t think he can play too high for too long in periods he’ll just get torched in the open spaces

 

[tony__montana]

he seems faster than i remember ....

Has good top end speed, just takes a while
To wind up

 

[1980GFVideo]

Roos second rd selection looks good so far.

I take it that is around the 20 mark. Plenty good players picked from there.

 

[RJK Tiger]

To me it just feels like we need to accept that the dynasty era team is over & transitioning. Where that transition goes will depend on the route we take, If you look at both the Hawks & the Cats dynasties, they were able to transition with youth and back a few guys in mid dynasty and squeeze out another couple of GF's & prelims. The Hawks won a grand final with Will Langford getting Norm Smith votes. If you look at that team vs the team which won 2008, only around 1/3 of the team was there.

In Round1 we lost because we had no back up for Prestia when he got injured. We need to ensure RCD, Dow or even Sonsie (in due course) are in this team provide back-up to support him. We need Jack Graham

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Jack Graham

Age

26

Ht

181cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.7

4star

K

8.0

3star

HB

6.8

4star

M

2.1

2star

T

6.3

5star

CL

1.8

4star

D

11.8

3star

K

5.3

2star

HB

6.5

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

4.2

5star

CL

1.2

4star

D

14.0

4star

K

6.0

3star

HB

8.0

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

7.0

5star

CL

3.2

5star

to make the leap. For as much as i do think that we should be full rebuilding, i do think their is a perfect mix of players that can at least make a team that is close to our 2017 quality tigers. Our midfield is definitely the thing which holds us back the most tho - our best hope of it happening is playing youth & hoping they can make a sudden leap.

 

[k31th]

This Nank goal was such a brilliant individual piece of play


If anybody would like to see the rest of the GIF's from the game, they're starting at this post ->
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/richmond-gifs.1047662/post-74172352

 

[RFCGloryJC]

Had a look at the Saints game versus the Pies.
The Saints actually hit the front in the final quarter, then the Pies piled on five goals.

 

[RFCGloryJC]

The media report said Grimes and Riewoldt will both play.
Grimes should replace Miller.
Ross has made several errors in both matches and deserves a spell in the VFL.
He doesn't have the second reflex efforts unlike Hugo, Dow or Matt P.
In: Grimes, Riewoldt.
Out: Miller, Ross.

 

[JAKLAUGHING]

CCJ can’t even get a game for the bottom team who is rebuilding and attracted him with a juicy 4-year deal…. with Goldy and Xerri ahead of him in the ruck pecking order, plus Comben and Edwards also looking very promising CJ seems to have made a poor career move.


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And where would he play at the Tigers!?...three forwards up there plus caddy!!!

 

[DickieKnee]

And where would he play at the Tigers!?...three forwards up there plus caddy!!!

All these people wetting the bed when CCJ and Chol left....we need to draft a KPF for when Jack retires. Now Jack can't get a game..

 

[RunningBounce]

I remember when he first started he was a classic 3rd tall type who played in the holes. Then he obviously grew into a great KP fwd, good time to go back to his roots and that original role, suits a smart footballer. I don’t think he can play too high for too long in periods he’ll just get torched in the open spaces

Agree JR8 can't play too high all game, but he'd be our second best kick inside 50 behind Martin. Love seeing him collecting the ball on the HFF and wheel around.

 

[Profop]

If a team has 2 quality rucks they generally play both. Goldy/Xerri. Gawn/Jackson. Nank/Soldo. Marshall/Ryder.

With 4 on the bench and a sub the ‘risk’ is worth it. Nank and Soldo play 65% game time each so it’s not hampering team balance.


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Of those options you have Melbourne with Jackson who can play forward and the Saints with both Ryder and Marshall with forward capabilities

North Melbourne tried playing all their talls (including CCJ) in round one and it didn’t work for team balance

I have no problem with two rucks but not when we are also playing three key forwards

On the weekend Reiwoldt’s replacement was really Parker and he was super effective because the balance works better

 

[SunshineBoy]

Afl article saying riewoldt and grimes will return with Prestia next week and Vlastuin the following week

Give meatball another week, he’s only a part time player

 

[SunshineBoy]

If Jack is fit then we should drop Soldo or have Balta as a defender and drop Gibcus

Team balance was all wrong against Carlton and was much much better against the Giants

Really tough call because neither of those options seem great and yet you can’t leave Riewoldt out

Why would you drop soldo?, and why can’t you leave Jack out?

 

[RobsJourney]

The optimist in me says round 5 we'll look like this:

Gibcus, Tarrant, Broad
Vlastuin, Grimes, Short
McIntosh, Cotchin, Pickett
Edwards, Balta, Bolton
Baker, Lynch, Riewoldt
Nankervis, Martin, Prestia
Soldo, Rioli, Graham, Ralphsmith

emg/ Castagna, Ross, Dow, Parker


The question will be can we play all 3 of those tall forwards? Does Gibcus get a rest to be replaced by Balta and we just run Jack/Tom up forward? Or does Jack perhaps end up left out ?

Do we want both of Rioli and Ralphsmith on the bench or just one and play an extra midfielder like Parker?

 

[Profop]

Why would you drop soldo?, and why can’t you leave Jack out?

You could leave Jack out

I personally think Jack up forward and using Balta forward and as a second ruck to chop out Nank is a better option

 

[DickieKnee]

If Balta keeps playing like he did on Sunday we can't move him down back. Quality KPFs are hard to come by and Balta looks like he had the goods. Especially with Vlaustin and Grimes to come back in our backline.

 

[SunshineBoy]

In: Cumberland, Riewoldt, Grimes
Out: Castagna, Miller, Ross

How the **** are you dropping George and leaving Aarts in there fml

 

[Charlie Pannam]

Why would you drop soldo?, and why can’t you leave Jack out?

I’ll be gobsmacked if Soldo is dropped.

I love JR and the Saints game is huge for him, but really not sure if it’ll be one tall too many (at the expense of a mid / running player)

 

[YeOldTiger]

It looks like Dow has escaped any serious injury.

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Read yesterday that Dow's knee was knocked inward and he was lucky to escape an ACL. Dodged a bullet there. Thought he showed some good signs...

 

[YeOldTiger]

Really depends on the makeup of the individual side.

Melbourne's FWD line the conventional wisdom would be that McDonald and Brown are key talls, yet Fritsch is not.

But when you factor in that Lynch is a considerably better athlete than Brown (and to a lesser extent McDonald) and Balta athletically superior to all three, is it really possible to successfully argue that we're 'too top heavy' when compared with them?

Surely Jack is a clever enough footballer to play the third tall Bailey Fritch type role. He's strengths are marking and finding space and reading the play. If used properly in this role he is still a weapon. Plus the value he add to Balta in teaching him is crucial. Jack also requires a quality defender, again freeing up Balta and stopping Lynch being double teamed. The rucks can get a proper rest on the pine. If the rotations are handled properly there no need for us to be top heavy at all, in fact it would be probably the most damaging forwardline in the AFL.

 

[tony__montana]

The media report said Grimes and Riewoldt will both play.
Grimes should replace Miller.
Ross has made several errors in both matches and deserves a spell in the VFL.
He doesn't have the second reflex efforts unlike Hugo, Dow or Matt P.
In: Grimes, Riewoldt.
Out: Miller, Ross.

I think Ross will stay in and Dow will be rested given the knock to his knee on the weekend. Agree, Miller unlucky but will make way for Grimes return. Stack for Aarts