Ross Lyon's job under threat?

[tomwalsh]

Season shot? laughable.

Saints are just warming up dont forget who we are and what we can do.

Goddard, Montagna, Reiwoldt, Gardiner, Fisher, Milne, Schnieder, Gwilt, Gilbert, Gram, Ray etc. etc.
With youngsters smith, steven, stanley putting in we will be fine.

Heres a scenario ... Swan, Pendles and Jolly go down then what??

Game on. Long season people and with the G producing more knees than ever before things could happen. The players and people in the know KNOW this.

They are human not robots. Our hard bodies will hold up for the whole season too yes we are slow but we will still get there.

Geelong - 1 point loss
Richmond draw
Essendon - bad loss - 50+ (early saeason young pace at its best)
Brisbane - 13 points in greasy conditions AWAY.

Just warming up people. Not saying we are still number 1 or 2 but certainly top 6 team and with some luck youve got to be in it to win it.

 

[mysainters]

He's a smug knob.

Cant beleive St Kilda would appoint two very similar people in row to coach the club.

I prefer smug to physco

 

[Confuscius]

Neither of them got a touch until 3/4 time where StKilda's experience and strength took over from a very young Lions team. I wouldnt get too excited about Schneider, he's one of your many mid ranking players who wont win you a flag. Steven looks good, you just need to bring another half dozen like him into the side.

And they should have benched Kozi, not Stanley. Another change wasted to blood youth.

I thought Schneider was one of, if not our best last night. 25 touches and three goals, two before 3/4. Steven was decent most of the game, played well enough to earn selection next week. Certainly I'd rather him in purely for his pressure work rather than say Kosi who seemed content watching his opponent waltz out of the defensive 50. 5 handballs is nowhere near enough for someone of his experience

And I think Stanley was having knee problems, so they subbed him off.

Ross' job is completely safe if he wants it, the club needs continuity, not a shake up because of a poor start to the year. But last night was hardly comforting, think Gilbert might need a week or two playing ressies, his game was horrendous

 

[Plugger35]

Safe as houses.

If we sacked Lyon there would probably be 16 other clubs queuing up to appoint him.

 

[Roadie]

Safe as houses.

If we sacked Lyon there would probably be 16 other clubs queuing up to appoint him.

Srsly?

 

[Duskfire]

Safe as houses.

If we sacked Lyon there would probably be 16 other clubs queuing up to appoint him.

3 or 4 maybe, but 16 is pushing it.

 

[UrLordUnbeliever]

Safe as houses.

If we sacked Lyon there would probably be 16 other clubs queuing up to appoint him.

I'm calling bullshit.

His coaching mindset is to continue to use a gameplan that's been around since 2005..

He's got nothing that can compete with the the gameplans that have come out in the past two years focusing on quick movement of the ball and fast, breakaway running..

And not to mention that Malthouse will be available at the end of the season.. So competing clubs would have to choose between possibly the best coach of the past 20 years with 4 flags - maybe 5 by the end of the year - and someone who only has one gameplan and hasn't won a freaking thing with it.

 

[nineteen eighty]

I'm calling bullshit.

His coaching mindset is to continue to use a gameplan that's been around since 2005..

He's got nothing that can compete with the the gameplans that have come out in the past two years focusing on quick movement of the ball and fast, breakaway running..

And not to mention that Malthouse will be available at the end of the season.. So competing clubs would have to choose between possibly the best coach of the past 20 years with 4 flags - maybe 5 by the end of the year - and someone who only has one gameplan and hasn't won a freaking thing with it.

I think that's the question that the Saints board need to ask themselves. It's not a case of whether Lyon can coach...he has shown over the years in being able to mould this Saints team into one of the best in the comp for a number of years that he can. It is now a case of whether Lyon can recast his game plan into one that can keep moving the Saints forward. Paul Roos showed that you don't need to throw the baby out with the bath water but that rather you can tweak a game plan to re-energise the team and provide them with a variation of a successfull game plan. Roos introduced a few fast break runners into the team and started running the ball more but still relied heavily on contested footy.

Interesting to see what Lyon does moving forward. Whatever he does though will not be started mid season. So it will be next year at the earliest before we MAY see any changes.

 

[Beasley]

Safe as houses.

If we sacked Lyon there would probably be 16 other clubs queuing up to appoint him.

I dont think so. His coaching defensive game plan has been blown apart and I doubt other clubs would want to adopt that negative strategy.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

But last night was hardly comforting, think Gilbert might need a week or two playing ressies, his game was horrendous

You need to do something to get his trade value up before you get rid of him. He'll be free to a good home the way he's playing.

 

[SA1NTER]

I have nothing to add to this piece of shit for a thread.

 

[davis_756]

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Geelong - 1 point loss
Richmond draw
Essendon - bad loss - 50+ (early saeason young pace at its best)
Brisbane - 13 points in greasy conditions AWAY.

Just warming up people. Not saying we are still number 1 or 2 but certainly top 6 team and with some luck youve got to be in it to win it.

Geelong - Showed up the fact you can't put sides away even when dominating for 3 terms, still didn't kick 10 goals for the game.

Richmond - Should have got beaten, tigers outplayed you and got done on some really dodgy umpiring.

Essendon - Horrible loss to a side that will still most likely miss the 8 this year or at best be 7th-8th.

Brisbane - They dominated the match, lead CP, i50's, tackles, scoring shots. Your lucky they couldn't put you away and let some easy goals slip.

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Lyon simply put must go, after taking the side to 4 gf's in 12 months and not even being able to win the nab cup one the side has lost all belief that they can win a flag under Lyon.

It was evident against Brisbane, a side destined for the bottom 4 in 2011. Brisbane were harder and more aggressive around the contests, there was no desire to do the hard work from the saints.

Bring in a new coach and inject a few players into this side with a new game plan and they may have another run at a flag, stay as it is and the saints are finished.

 

[Wagamama]

I'm calling bullshit.

His coaching mindset is to continue to use a gameplan that's been around since 2005..

He's got nothing that can compete with the the gameplans that have come out in the past two years focusing on quick movement of the ball and fast, breakaway running..

The 2009 and then first grand final in 2010 had the Saints a breath away from a win. Both Pies and Cats had that quick movement game plan didn't they.

Does it matter if he cops of loss to a couple of teams if he wins enough games to make the Grand Final? It is, after all, all about premierships.

If I was a Saints fan I would have been pretty happy with Lyon. He got them to the last day in September. Shame the team couldn't take their chances.

 

[Kopout]

Weekly bump...

 

[Jafa]

6 behinds and it's halfway thru the second.

WTF is going on with the saints.

 

[The Big League]

1 goal for the half.

lolz

 

[Ghostwriter]

Lyon's in big strife.

 

[Gavin Excell]

Coach has to take some responsbility for the shockingly awful; weak and defeatist game plan. They have one of the best forwards in the comp going round for them and they play this brand of low risk going backwards to the boundary line.

 

[The Big League]

6 goals down what do the saints coaching staff do?

FLOOD!

 

[DeZi]

TBH I just think that the players have lost their self belief that they worked up throughout 2009-2010. That self belief helped them play that tad bit better and came off for them...however once that confidence is shattered, everything falls to pieces

Examples from tonight...Goddard and Roo missing the easiest marks that could be taken on the chest

 

[bradrowe#32]

Safe as houses.

If we sacked Lyon there would probably be 16 other clubs queuing up to appoint him.

The delusion is strong in this one.

Boring, ultra-defensive game plan, lack of young talent coming through and its top six really battling. Saints are gone.

 

[Vdubs]

The delusion is strong in this one.

Boring, ultra-defensive game plan, lack of young talent coming through and its top six really battling. Saints are gone.

So what are you going to say when they win tonight and continue their run into form?

 

[cat in sydney]

So what are you going to say when they win tonight and continue their run into form?

Are you ready to concede yet that the Saints are no longer the team you think they are, VD?

 

[Kopout]

So what are you going to say when they win tonight and continue their run into form?

Say what?

 

[legend166]

Between the three Grand Finals they didn't win and the ridiculous off season they had, their will seems to have finally been broken.

And for a team where effort was more important than anything, it's hurting them big time.