Review Round 13, 2023 - Hawthorn vs. Brisbane Lions

[SizeMatters]

Rayner was fine dude.

There’s plenty to criticise and get mad about, don’t add to that needlessly.

His opponent ran off him all day.

 

[Nathan Barley]

I watched him today. Putrid. Awful.

Don’t care what he did previously, it’s about now and right now he needs to retire.

Yeah who cares how good you were in your first 250 games. Completely irrelevant.

Grow up

 

[Dalions]

I originally had Kai but I think Fort would suit our bombing to packs game

I am not sure we actually have a game?

 

[Toffee Lion]

Yeah who cares how good you were in your first 250 games. Completely irrelevant.

Grow up

The irony is you’re right. The first 250 don’t matter if your next 20 are no good.

Think I’ve found Fages alt account, since you want to gift games on past deeds.

 

[25 years on]

Our players aren't making it up on the pitch, they are told what to do by the coaches. Long kick down the line, long and high to the fwds, kick to a contest. It didn't win a flag three years ago, if we keep at it it may win us a wooden spoon. Time to unleash plan B.

 

[scoman]

If we are going to consistently bomb it long we need to play Fort deep. Oscar needs legitimate help in the ruck as well. The idea that in order to get our #1 key forward (Dainiher) into the game is to move him out of the forward line can't be a long-term solution.

 

[Thomasno]

We have a bit of a false economy of experience. Rich and Gunston's output ain't good unfortunately.

I think our best team has Ah Chee playing Prior's role and Rich replaced by Coleman. Zorko back in for Dev (who was pretty good).

Agreed with the first two changes, but Dev has to stay in. Was arguably in our top 3 on the ground in the first half.

Don’t know who for, probably Berry at this stage. Know he’s a good player but just hasn’t done anything (good OR bad) since the Melbourne game

 

[Tom14]

Funny thing is you could have posted this exact same thing after the prelim loss in 2020 and it would have still been true.

Nothing has really improved.

Better personnel in the midfield this year has papered over the cracks. But when they get beat they get beaten really badly.

 

[spotthedog1]

Amazed at the comments of "Coleman back in". He is clearly not match fit and won't run. Can't play defenders who refuse to defend.

 

[Gadzorks]

Cluggs automatic one or two game minimum?

 

[BRAB]

Better personnel in the midfield this year has papered over the cracks. But when they get beat they get beaten really badly.

I wonder if Cam Bruce is a little embarrassed that he can’t get more out of this group or if he’s just enjoying the grift.

 

[Gertkov]

I was at the game as a neutral, Hawks were just camped around your F50 line counter attacking with ease, Dunkley went to Newcombe in the 3rd then Berry was given a shot. Few turnovers early where Rich was just flat footed, would've looked like a bad disposal on TV but he just stood there.

 

[Gadzorks]

I was at the game as a neutral, Hawks were just camped around your F50 line counter attacking with ease, Dunkley went to Newcombe in the 3rd then Berry was given a shot. Few turnovers early where Rich was just flat footed, would've looked like a bad disposal on TV but he just stood there.

Even the neutrals know Rich is a liability.

 

[Harris Specter]

No real enjoyment from watching this team, and hasn't been all season. Players are not emotionally invested, happy to take the weekly paycheck and move on.

 

[Gertkov]

Even the neutrals know Rich is a liability.

There was one where prior was kicking out of D50, Rich just flat footed.. big shit fight afterwards too

 

[scott_the_man]

Bullied around the footy by the youngest midfield in the comp. There is no excuse for that. The forwards and mids can only do so much when your midfield is getting pantsed.

 

[Tom14]

Ah well, its a shame. I don't think it's the MCG though, I think it was more the bye. I also don't know that anyone would say we are mentally tough. We apply effort based on ladder position, and we generally don't have the willpower to turn it on when it's off. They just kinda expect it'll happen.

Bailey - nowhere. Just nothing.
Coleman - will not run defensively. Brought him on at 3QT and we still see players running past him like he's standing still. I was surprised, a little concerned, and also a bit impressed when the coaches omitted him. Then they didn't. Groan.

Dev needs to stay now. That was an AFL level game from him.

It was an afl level first half and then he disappeared. He got a bunch of chances on ball too in the third quarter - wasn’t like we were putting him as a pressure forward.

Far from the worst list and will keep his spot, but I’ve seen nothing that makes me desperate to retain him at the end of the year. Hope he proves me wrong.

 

[Tom14]

Hats off to the hawks mids, especially Newcombe and Day - were absolutely terrific.

They are a good centre bounce unit and I had some concerns during the week about us having to go win if our mids got beaten.

 

[M Malice]

On expectation that was easily one of the most disappointing games to sit through since Fagan came on board.

1- I thought we were over getting towelled up on run and spread footy, we were lucky not to be beaten by more... 10 goals to 3 after half time says it all.
2- Rich and Gunston are massive liabilities, we play 2 short on defensive run... losing patience with Berry and Bailey their best is fantastic but it is too rare... albeit IMO small forward is Bailey's role.
3- I mentioned this last year but are we absolute 100% dog hungry enough to win flags or are we that few percent off that makes all the difference.
4- Dev Robertson was very good, should be given a fair dinkum run of games. Prior was ordinary, Hipp very good, Dunkley good, Payne good.. a couple of those goals to Lewis he had no chance due to turnovers from us.

 

[Big Sauce 21]

Cluggs automatic one or two game minimum?

Didn't see any head knocks in any of the replays

 

[martinson]

There was something a bit off about the love in with Rayner , Fages and Clug on that show in my mind. I just don't think we have enough hardness in the team from players who've been around a long time.

Maybe the coach needs to get a bit more distant and ruthless. We stink it up too often in games that require real extra effort.

If we were a middle of the road team talent wise it's all cool but we keep talking about flag windows and play as if we've already got a couple in the bag.

The other question that arises is are we that good ?

Richy was obviously carrying something today and no way he should've played.

What we're still doing playing Gunston and talking him up as if he's helped us in any way who would know.

 

[Kernel Kurtz]

It’s clear we’re not a high possession side, but there’s different game styles required for different games.

Allowing Hawthorn to basically walk around us with handball chains was one of the most disappointing (and predicable) things I’ve seen from the Lions in ten years.

There just has to be adjustments made at some point. We need to get more run out of our players. More handballs and more providing small leads. The long kicks require contested marks - that hasn’t fired for a long time now.

I didn’t watch the game,was at work,so had the game on the radio.
A few takes from the commentary.
Lions refusing or honouring leads.
Multiple times.
The biggest call is what I’ve said at games the last three years.
We beat teams on talent not system,that was mentioned by your favourite BT.
Nothing has changed in three years.
Someone mentioned we should bring McKenna into the game more for run,but the problem is our methods or ball movement,run and gun has been ignored for territory footy.f..keven a bottom four side can roll us with our absolutely predictable movement.
Something has to change
It’s the system more than the squad
We have the players,not the methods.

 

[RU_]

Press conference is up for those who want to see it.

Touched on Coleman being the sub.

 

[Harris Specter]

Press conference is up for those who want to see it.

Touched on Coleman being the sub.

What were Fagans comments on the game?

 

[RU_]

What were Fagans comments on the game?

Got out worked basically.