Preview Round 13, 2023: Sydney v St.Kilda - SCG, Thursday 8th June, 7:10PM AEST *PRIDE GAME*

[tony74]

Does anyone know what the training days are next week given it’s a Thursday night game?

yep, they trained yesterday and currenttly training now. Main session tuesday

 

[gringo2011]

I think the coaches would now concede they allowed Steele to return too early and his form (midfield) has suffered as a result. I agree that Billings is not the answer to our inability to win the ball at the coal face and pressure on the spread. The view of playing Windhager in the VFL to work of things, came at the expense of playing seriously out of form players in the senior side. I understand the need for long term learnings, but Im sure players can pick things up at AFL level.

If we want to play finals this year we cant keep going with the same slow stodgy midfield group. Lyon & Hayes simply have to find and develop other options. I know Lyon likes to set and forget his defensive group, but he seriously has to look at moving Sinclair or even Stocker to permanent midfield roles. If it means finding other small defender options then so be it - but we cant expect to be consistently competitive against the better sides with the current midfield group.

Hopefully we can start to get some other cattle back and in form before too long as players like Membrey, Jones, McKenzie, Coffield and Hayes will make a big difference to our options. If we have Hayes up and going it will take a lot of pressure off Owens to be that 2nd ruck and we can use him as a midfielder more. Coffield or McKenzie could replace Sinclair on the back flank releasing him to be a full time mid.

Windy came back too early and was getting 14 possessions in a full game. Half a Steele looks like good value in comparison. That is the issue, no-one was developed 2 years ago ready to slot in. Ratts was going for wins in the last 2 years so stopped developing understudies. We also failed to draft mids.

It's a difficult situation, developing kids could cost us finals, playing what we have might make it hard anyway. Good list management is about balancing everything. Clubs like the Bulldogs and Port Adelaide always have a bunch of new guys in development and a decent amount of the side given over to development while competing.

You don't want to wait until the shit hits the fan to start developing. We always seem like a leaky boat with constant nailing patches over the holes. We never seem to get on top of it.

The list still looks like a huge impediment at the moment. We have enough to compete if everyone is available but fall short of the best sides still. We never seem to get any better. If we get someone come on, someone else falls away just as quickly.

SOS and Gubby are going to have to do a mountain of work and planning at the end of the year. **** it up and we assign ourselves to years of more rebuilding.

 

[The Cobra]

yep, they trained yesterday and currenttly training now. Main session tuesday

Many thanks - I’ll head down Tuesday

 

[SteeleSaints]

Windy came back too early and was getting 14 possessions in a full game. Half a Steele looks like good value in comparison. That is the issue, no-one was developed 2 years ago ready to slot in. Ratts was going for wins in the last 2 years so stopped developing understudies. We also failed to draft mids.

It's a difficult situation, developing kids could cost us finals, playing what we have might make it hard anyway. Good list management is about balancing everything. Clubs like the Bulldogs and Port Adelaide always have a bunch of new guys in development and a decent amount of the side given over to development while competing.

You don't want to wait until the s**t hits the fan to start developing. We always seem like a leaky boat with constant nailing patches over the holes. We never seem to get on top of it.

The list still looks like a huge impediment at the moment. We have enough to compete if everyone is available but fall short of the best sides still. We never seem to get any better. If we get someone come on, someone else falls away just as quickly.

SOS and Gubby are going to have to do a mountain of work and planning at the end of the year. * it up and we assign ourselves to years of more rebuilding.

The only caveat from memory was Windy was playing as a HFF, with hardly any midfield minutes.

 

[gringo2011]

The only caveat from memory was Windy was playing as a HFF, with hardly any midfield minutes.

He definitely runs the field so was playing as a high half forward runner rather than an inside mid, he wasn't a camp at home forward. It's still a midfield role and he looked a little bit off his best. He looked best this year when he came on as a sub, I think it was against the Crows and looked energetic when everyone else looked cooked. I trust the coaches to know what they are doing with development at the moment and think that there are reasons that they aren't throwing magnets around much. We just don't have much left.

 

[Jade Buddha]

Windy came back too early and was getting 14 possessions in a full game. Half a Steele looks like good value in comparison. That is the issue, no-one was developed 2 years ago ready to slot in. Ratts was going for wins in the last 2 years so stopped developing understudies. We also failed to draft mids.

It's a difficult situation, developing kids could cost us finals, playing what we have might make it hard anyway. Good list management is about balancing everything. Clubs like the Bulldogs and Port Adelaide always have a bunch of new guys in development and a decent amount of the side given over to development while competing.

You don't want to wait until the s**t hits the fan to start developing. We always seem like a leaky boat with constant nailing patches over the holes. We never seem to get on top of it.

The list still looks like a huge impediment at the moment. We have enough to compete if everyone is available but fall short of the best sides still. We never seem to get any better. If we get someone come on, someone else falls away just as quickly.

SOS and Gubby are going to have to do a mountain of work and planning at the end of the year. * it up and we assign ourselves to years of more rebuilding.

Is our list that bad though?
At Sandy:
2 key backs Adams JVE
2 key forwards: Keeler Alison
Mids: Windy, Hotton, Bytel
Injured:
Hayes, Coffield, Jones, Dmac

Yes we need to keep going to the draft but I don’t think the list is that diabolical.

 

[Mowman]

yep, they trained yesterday and currenttly training now. Main session tuesday

What time does it start mate ?

 

[Imtellingya]

yep, they trained yesterday and currenttly training now. Main session tuesday

Was the new High Performance guy involved Tony?

 

[gringo2011]

Is our list that bad though?
At Sandy:
2 key backs Adams JVE
2 key forwards: Keeler Alison
Mids: Windy, Hotton, Bytel
Injured:
Hayes, Coffield, Jones, Dmac

Yes we need to keep going to the draft but I don’t think the list is that diabolical.

Not diabolical but patchy AF. We haven't managed the list properly for years and had way below average drafting for 20 years. Max King was the only top level player that looks likely elite to be taken in the draft between Brendan Goddard (2002) and now and I'm not sure Rooey wasn't the last true elite player we drafted (2000). Owens might be on track as well.

In that period our best picks were Sinclair, Sam Fisher, Jack Steven and Seb Ross. We have grabbed plenty of good solid players in that time but have less continuity and elite talent than just about any other club over that period or now. We have also had to over pay to get GOPs from other sides in to hide our incompetence.

It's a consistent pattern that was made worse by having poor footy department spend and no direction. I think realistically we are about half way through building a good competitive list. We bat above our weight with what we have and the kids we have taken in he last few years have a lot of potential though. I reckon it can turn around quickly though but we can't be ****wits like we have been. Hopefully that looks like hanging in the bottom half of the top 8 while drafting and trading in high end talent.

St Kilda - Every Draft Pick Ever - Draftguru

www.draftguru.com.au

 

[Saints TV]

An early preview for our very important Thursday night match up with the Sydney Swans.

Our last win against Sydney at the SCG was way back in Round 18, 2009... can we break the drought?




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[dudeintheswamp]

Bloody hell I know we've been average in Sydney, but 2009? Fmd, it's time.

 

[tony74]

What time does it start mate ?

10.30 ish. and yes to the other question

 

[Saintbloke]

You’re not comparing Billing’s to Steele

One is a dual B&F and AA and the other is Billing’s

Chalk and cheese

So we get a game on past glories, and not form? Steele is playing hurt and should be managed, but Billings could do no worse right now.

 

[Mowman]

So we get a game on past glories, and not form? Steele is playing hurt and should be managed, but Billings could do no worse right now.

Go and watch the 2nd half of the GWS game 2 weeks ago and watch Steele's 2nd half

How many of Billings VFL games have you watched ? He has been ordinary and done nothing to warrant a game

 

[Premium]

Go and watch the 2nd half of the GWS game 2 weeks ago and watch Steele's 2nd half

How many of Billings VFL games have you watched ? He has been ordinary and done nothing to warrant a game

By the look's Billings could well be out the door next year , his best position is as a half forward and the chances of him pushing someone out is slim.
Steele may not be playing his best football but still is way ahead of Billings , just his fight and endeavor makes him one of the first picked in the team.

Our midfield has been our down fall again this year dropping Steele will only make it worse - however I do expect Owens and Windhager to be brought into the rotations at the expense of Clark who is out with a injury and Ross who I feel needs to be given a break or even made play as sub.
Crouch does a job most weeks and Steele get back to his best and hopefully Owens and Windhager put some zing back into the midfield.

 

[Ads734]

So here’s my question to the crowd. Do we get another elite hB to go withNas so Sincs can play on the ball exclusively or do we get an elite skills full mid do Sincs can stay at HB. To me the mids with his skill set are much harder to come by. Id be looking to develop either Leo , stocker into a next level HB or looking else where so we can move Sincs higher.

 

[George]

Anyone know if there's a venue that travelling Saints supporters are attending before the game?

 

[gringo2011]

So here’s my question to the crowd. Do we get another elite hB to go withNas so Sincs can play on the ball exclusively or do we get an elite skills full mid do Sincs can stay at HB. To me the mids with his skill set are much harder to come by. Id be looking to develop either Leo , stocker into a next level HB or looking else where so we can move Sincs higher.

I think we should be looking at mids to play midfield and still roll Sinclair through. We should be developing a good replacement for him as well. I'd be looking at a depth ready to play mid. Mathieson would be handy because he can play inside outside otherwise Crouch, Dow etc. All can come in and fill and immediate need when we lose a mid.

Get hold of a solid semi developed wing like Bergman and maybe a Josh Sinn type to play off HBF. Maybe a guy like Chesser that hasn't shown much yet but we liked at the draft. Then draft the best available with an eye on mids.

 

[Klaatu]

I think we should be looking at mids to play midfield and still roll Sinclair through. We should be developing a good replacement for him as well. I'd be looking at a depth ready to play mid. Mathieson would be handy because he can play inside outside otherwise Crouch, Dow etc. All can come in and fill and immediate need when we lose a mid.

Get hold of a solid semi developed wing like Bergman and maybe a Josh Sinn type to play off HBF. Maybe a guy like Chesser that hasn't shown much yet but we liked at the draft. Then draft the best available with an eye on mids.

Liam Henry is well and truely in the frame, would be handy off the wings & adds pace.

 

[gringo2011]

Liam Henry is well and truely in the frame, would be handy off the wings & adds pace.

He looks very unmotivated from what I've seen. He's young enough to come good and Lyon likes a project though.

 

[BrutThough]

I think we should be looking at mids to play midfield and still roll Sinclair through. We should be developing a good replacement for him as well. I'd be looking at a depth ready to play mid. Mathieson would be handy because he can play inside outside otherwise Crouch, Dow etc. All can come in and fill and immediate need when we lose a mid.

Get hold of a solid semi developed wing like Bergman and maybe a Josh Sinn type to play off HBF. Maybe a guy like Chesser that hasn't shown much yet but we liked at the draft. Then draft the best available with an eye on mids.

I'd be looking at a Yeo type - wouldn't cost a lot due to the injury risk but gettable given WC need picks and his best is elite - and then some younger types in Dow, Flanders, potentially Bergman etc.

Would give us the midfield top up on both ends.

 

[gringo2011]

I'd be looking at a Yeo type - wouldn't cost a lot due to the injury risk but gettable given WC need picks and his best is elite - and then some younger types in Dow, Flanders, potentially Bergman etc.

Would give us the midfield top up on both ends.

He'd be a great get but doubt they'd let him go cheap still. You don't trade your guns cheap generally. The fans would rebel.

 

[Mowman]

I think we should be looking at mids to play midfield and still roll Sinclair through. We should be developing a good replacement for him as well. I'd be looking at a depth ready to play mid. Mathieson would be handy because he can play inside outside otherwise Crouch, Dow etc. All can come in and fill and immediate need when we lose a mid.

Get hold of a solid semi developed wing like Bergman and maybe a Josh Sinn type to play off HBF. Maybe a guy like Chesser that hasn't shown much yet but we liked at the draft. Then draft the best available with an eye on mids.

I never minded Mathieson but would much prefer we have a crack at Flanders and Robertson , have really gone off Dow after watching the clip on Fox where they showed his turnovers in the 2s wasn’t even close to hitting a teammate

Bergman at the right price would/hope we take our 1st pick to the draft if not our 2nd as well, play Bytel and Windy and move Seb aside. I have seen a couple have mentioned Yeo he has played 3 games this year 5 last year 10 the year before picking up broken down players won’t help us

 

[Mowman]

He'd be a great get but doubt they'd let him go cheap still. You don't trade your guns cheap generally. The fans would rebel.

Yeo ?

He has played 30 games out of the last 78 and turns 30 in October

 

[Yawkey way]

Liam Henry is well and truely in the frame, would be handy off the wings & adds pace.

Can’t see that, he’s done enough to hold some serious trade value but not enough imo to warrant paying it.