Autopsy Round 15: Brisbane 42-34 Collingwood

[Linda_Lovelace]

Should have won that game, very disappointing.

So many of their goals came from idiotic turn overs where we handball backwards to no one. Its clearly the game game plan, the game plan sucks and the connection to the forwards is appalling. I hope there is someone on the board who has some understanding of the game because there are clearly massive flaws in Buckley's coaching. Its illuminating to watch Freo and see how much they have improved whilst we have gone backwards. Longmuir clearly made a big difference.

 

[Starcevich90]

Which wouldn't be needed if we had depth to cover, y'know like the contenders.

I think you need to consider the extent of our losses to our best 22 this year ... other than North, no club has been hit harder, and that's a fact. Other clubs have missed players here and there, but nothing like this. You take the 6 best players out of any team for an extended period and you get results like we have. Same would've happened to Tigers, Eagles, whoever. I think we have done ok to be challenging for finals v

 

[manicpie]

I think you need to consider the extent of our losses to our best 22 this year ... other than North, no club has been hit harder, and that's a fact. Other clubs have missed players here and there, but nothing like this. You take the 6 best players out of any team for an extended period and you get results like we have. Same would've happened to Tigers, Eagles, whoever. I think we have done ok to be challenging for finals v

Unfortunately, even at full strength we fall short, you can't hide our lack of pace through the middle and our lack of a couple of decent forwards, no genuine small forward and besides Moore we also need another KPD as Roughhead is getting on and there is no one in the reserves

 

[Starcevich90]

Unfortunately, even at full strength we fall short, you can't hide our lack of pace through the middle and our lack of a couple of decent forwards, no genuine small forward and besides Moore we also need another KPD as Roughhead is getting on and there is no one in the reserves

When have we ever been at full strength? I think Treloar and Elliott give us plenty of bite, but again there's just bern no continuity. Adams is also not slow. Agree the lack of genuine KPFs is a black hole. Don't see too much wrong with defense, and have Kelly and Ruscoe in wings.

 

[anshell]

We definitely need another key forward.It would straighten us up and improve our ball movement,I think.It would make a huge difference if we had a key forward who actually led up to the ball instead of standing behind their opponent like they do now.

 

[gouki88]

We definitely need another key forward.It would straighten us up and improve our ball movement,I think.It would make a huge difference if we had a key forward who actually led up to the ball instead of standing behind their opponent like they do now.

Yeah, and an actual genuine KPF. Not a ruck playing forward like Cameron or Lynch

 

[manicpie]

When have we ever been at full strength? I think Treloar and Elliott give us plenty of bite, but again there's just bern no continuity. Adams is also not slow. Agree the lack of genuine KPFs is a black hole. Don't see too much wrong with defense, and have Kelly and Ruscoe in wings.

Nah, Kelly and Ruscoe with a combined tally of 3 or 4 games, really? Treloar and Elliot are miles behind the real contending clubs midfields, I think you might have rose colored glasses on. And, nol, we don't have a quality developing KPD on our list at all

 

[Carringbush2010]

I think you need to consider the extent of our losses to our best 22 this year ... other than North, no club has been hit harder, and that's a fact. Other clubs have missed players here and there, but nothing like this. You take the 6 best players out of any team for an extended period and you get results like we have. Same would've happened to Tigers, Eagles, whoever. I think we have done ok to be challenging for finals v

Then how does that explain teams like the contenders are able to keep form with their best out? Right now wc are still scoring well without Hurn, NN and Schuey. Those names aren't chump change.

Same with rich, Grimes. Astbury, Edwards, Lambert - their form is pretty good.

Have a look at those lists with those outs, much better than ours.

The answer is they've got depth to cover, where's our depth?

 

[Mick F]

Dear jathanas
I don't want to labour the point, but I don't like being misrepresented.
My first post in replay to to you:
"When even moderators can make really disappointing comments like these about Phillips, then perhaps I should remind myself to stay away from here after a loss. Embarrassment to the jumper? You've played how many for Collingwood? That's really disappointing and you should be embarrassed."
And later:
"Phillips had a poor one, and he's had plenty this year. He should have been dropped weeks ago and maybe would have been, but for a truckload of injuries to deal with..........
I stand by my opinion that suggesting Phillips was a disgrace to the jumper was completely unnecessary and yes, forgive my surprise that a moderator would make such an appalling comment. I stand by my comments too."

I did not suggest that moderators can't voice opinions obviously; you're perfectly entitled to post what you want. Mods have a thankless job and not many would want it. It's not that I think a Moderator shouldn't make comments, but that I don't think anybody should make comments like that. Embarrassment to the jumper. Way over the top in my opinion. That a moderator said it, somehow disappointed me more.
Neither did I pounce like a "morality vulture" as somebody else suggested, and that's obvious by reading the above.

That should clear it up. We agree to disagree. Thank you for your efforts on our behalf, and that goes to all of the Mods.

Well that post was absolutely worthless.

 

[stormskye]

Then how does that explain teams like the contenders are able to keep form with their best out? Right now wc are still scoring well without Hurn, NN and Schuey. Those names aren't chump change.

Same with rich, Grimes. Astbury, Edwards, Lambert - their form is pretty good.

Have a look at those lists with those outs, much better than ours.

The answer is they've got depth to cover, where's our depth?

Eagles are struggling without them , and those rich outs are not on same level. On a side note, have an in depth look at Richmond draw this year. It’s the sole reason they are top 4

 

[Mick F]

I think you need to consider the extent of our losses to our best 22 this year ... other than North, no club has been hit harder, and that's a fact. Other clubs have missed players here and there, but nothing like this. You take the 6 best players out of any team for an extended period and you get results like we have. Same would've happened to Tigers, Eagles, whoever. I think we have done ok to be challenging for finals v

Have Grundy, Moore, Maynard and Adams played nearly every game?

 

[stormskye]

Have Grundy, Moore, Maynard and Adams played nearly every game?

Trying to understand your point? Eagles have 4 a graders out, so do we. Did anyone say exact same positions? Point is you can’t replace quality like that. pretty obvious. Add to the 4 current outs, we’ve missed another a grader pendles for a month.

 

[Carringbush2010]

Eagles are struggling without them , and those rich outs are not on same level. On a side note, have an in depth look at Richmond draw this year. It’s the sole reason they are top 4

wc are in front, and rich draw is not the sole reason for their position, in part yes. They're in pretty good form, my argument is their depth is better hence the better form, in part at least.

 

[Carringbush2010]

Trying to understand your point? Eagles have 4 a graders out, so do we. Did anyone say exact same positions? Point is you can’t replace quality like that. pretty obvious. Add to the 4 current outs, we’ve missed another a grader pendles for a month.

You're you can't replace quality like that, so why is wc form so much better than ours?

 

[stormskye]

You're you can't replace quality like that, so why is wc form so much better than ours?

Eagles are playing horrible without those 4. Are you watching? Doggies should be up by 8 goals. So their form without those players is not good. You can’t be watching this game.

 

[Carringbush2010]

Eagles are playing horrible without those 4. Are you watching? Doggies should be up by 8 goals. So their form without those players is not good. You can’t be watching this game.

I did watch the game, surely you can't believe our form is as good as theirs. That said their form has been pretty good with big names out.

I agree we have a really shitty injury list, like we do every fargin year.

Let's not pretend it's JUST injuries, our form regardless of list is terribly bad - basic skill errors at this level doesn't excuse. We have serious depth problems, whether that's development or poor recruiting / trading is neither here nor there.

Fact is we are where we are and we aren't contending unless we fix our issues. Our game is still not run and release and that's also a major factor, again what that is caused by doesn't take away the fact that the problem is there.

 

[No SPIN]

Unfortunately, even at full strength we fall short, you can't hide our lack of pace through the middle and our lack of a couple of decent forwards, no genuine small forward and besides Moore we also need another KPD as Roughhead is getting on and there is no one in the reserves

Lack of pace? - which teams have exposed our lack of pace

 

[stormskye]

I did watch the game, surely you can't believe our form is as good as theirs. That said their form has been pretty good with big names out.

I agree we have a really shitty injury list, like we do every fargin year.

Let's not pretend it's JUST injuries, our form regardless of list is terribly bad - basic skill errors at this level doesn't excuse. We have serious depth problems, whether that's development or poor recruiting / trading is neither here nor there.

Fact is we are where we are and we aren't contending unless we fix our issues. Our game is still not run and release and that's also a major factor, again what that is caused by doesn't take away the fact that the problem is there.

Eagles form before Queensland was horrible, went back to home in perth great, back in Queensland? Horrible again. I’m sorry but everything about the eagles shows how much injuries and fixture affects things.

We’ve had a bad year no doubt there, but it’s a fact that we’ve had the hardest draw Out of any club, and a very bad run of injuries to our top players. let’s just hope we get a better run next year

 

[Carringbush2010]

Eagles form before Queensland was horrible, went back to home in perth great, back in Queensland? Horrible again. I’m sorry but everything about the eagles shows how much injuries and fixture affects things.

We’ve had a bad year no doubt there, but it’s a fact that we’ve had the hardest draw Out of any club, and a very bad run of injuries to our top players. let’s just hope we get a better run next year

I can't really agree on the draw, in part yes the condensed fixture has hampered but every team plays every team. From that side it is equal, and we haven't been the only team with a condensed fixture. Regardless, Collingwood and injuries to key players is a fact of life, we just have to work with it, not rely on the planets aligning to win the whole box and dice. We almost did that in 2018 with a similar nightmare injury situation.

So what's different now? Why have the other clubs overtaken us and we have regressed, it can't purely be JUST injuries and dodgy fixture. As bad as both of those have been I have no doubt in my mind that a true contender would be in better form with the same issues.

 

[Sea fog]

I think you need to consider the extent of our losses to our best 22 this year ... other than North, no club has been hit harder, and that's a fact. Other clubs have missed players here and there, but nothing like this. You take the 6 best players out of any team for an extended period and you get results like we have. Same would've happened to Tigers, Eagles, whoever. I think we have done ok to be challenging for finals v

Well I agree but it is the same every year so it is hard to ever see us winning a flag. We are either cursed or have a poor medical dept. or players prone to injury and incidents.

 

[Sea fog]

Eagles form before Queensland was horrible, went back to home in perth great, back in Queensland? Horrible again. I’m sorry but everything about the eagles shows how much injuries and fixture affects things.

We’ve had a bad year no doubt there, but it’s a fact that we’ve had the hardest draw Out of any club, and a very bad run of injuries to our top players. let’s just hope we get a better run next year

We say that every year. The injuries will keep coming and the AFL will screw us over again.

 

[Sea fog]

I can't really agree on the draw, in part yes the condensed fixture has hampered but every team plays every team. From that side it is equal, and we haven't been the only team with a condensed fixture. Regardless, Collingwood and injuries to key players is a fact of life, we just have to work with it, not rely on the planets aligning to win the whole box and dice. We almost did that in 2018 with a similar nightmare injury situation.

So what's different now? Why have the other clubs overtaken us and we have regressed, it can't purely be JUST injuries and dodgy fixture. As bad as both of those have been I have no doubt in my mind that a true contender would be in better form with the same issues.

The Perth hub was tough.

 

[Sea fog]

I did watch the game, surely you can't believe our form is as good as theirs. That said their form has been pretty good with big names out.

I agree we have a really shitty injury list, like we do every fargin year.

Let's not pretend it's JUST injuries, our form regardless of list is terribly bad - basic skill errors at this level doesn't excuse. We have serious depth problems, whether that's development or poor recruiting / trading is neither here nor there.

Fact is we are where we are and we aren't contending unless we fix our issues. Our game is still not run and release and that's also a major factor, again what that is caused by doesn't take away the fact that the problem is there.

We are miles off a flag, that I agree.

 

[Mick F]

We are miles off a flag, that I agree.

And it has nothing to do with curses or the AFL - what f’n dribble. Is that the shit you come out with at work when you haven’t completed the tasks assigned to you??

 

[Sea fog]

And it has nothing to do with curses or the AFL - what f’n dribble. Is that the sh*t you come out with at work when you haven’t completed the tasks assigned to you??

Mate I know what you mean but occasionally you have to wonder about a curse when we get fluky injuries, keep copping shocking draws compared with Richmond etc. Jordy freak finger injury, Cox eye, Sidearse testicles. Need I go on. But on list management, I agree we **** up and that is why we are miles off.