Autopsy Round 16, 2024 - Positives and Negatives vs Hawthorn

[Astro7]

you can't tell me you weren't feeling optimistic after we beat Melbourne?

We were looking refreshed and exciting.

Anyway... it was actually 3 wins from 6 games in reality in that period



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It's worth remembering that many of the players being criticised, played well in these 3 good wins. Some still had the same bad skills, but they were team wins.
So it's possible these players can play ok and the team as a whole.
So what is the core problem you have to ask?

Little has changed which has led to a continuance of disappointment and underachievement in the on-field performance of the club.

So how does this team repeatedly end up with such an embarrassing output?

The unfortunate answer is that the club today has by far the worst tactical setup that I have ever seen from any team.

It is at once compromised in both defence and attack and tries to remediate that by running the midfield into the ground, hampering the ability of that group to impact significantly during the latter part of matches. The gameplan has overwhelmingly pruned back its offensive capability to maintain defensive cohesion in the face of opposing counterattacks.

Opponents have come to learn that creating an outnumber through the corridor and linking disposal to shorter targets, rather than kicking long, rips apart the defensive zone of West Coast, creating an easy avenue to goal.

With the benefit of hindsight, the reluctance to modify the system in both directions was a time bomb that was always going to explode eventually once individual brilliance was no longer sufficient to deliver on-field results.

So where are we now? The club has completely broken down in defensive structure; whilst at the same time is completely unable to transition from defence into attack.


We keep hearing about how the club apparently needs more energy – however it remains questionable whether that will do much to address the tactical problems currently faced by the club.

Let’s face it, allowing an opponent 129 uncontested marks goes beyond whatever level of energy that the team may have – it only happens when your tactical setup is utterly incapable of containing the opposition.

It has little to do with energy when the opposition is able to walk through defensive holes in the middle of the ground, because the zone prioritises marking space over players, to the point where once opposing ball gets to the centre square the defence is opened up so comprehensively that it all but guarantees a shot on goal from directly in front.

The Telstra Tracker figures for the aerobic performance of both teams in this match against Hawthorn are similar, which dispels the obvious myth that the loss was due to being comprehensively outrun or due to a lack of effort by the players.
One team ran effectively, engaging dangerous positions; the other ran wildly to guard redundant space.

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Considering the club continues to obsessively select squads that are overly tall, such instruction to run when the team currently features a midfield full of players that clearly remain underdone in their conditioning, combined with less rotational support, is a recipe for a dropoff in midfield output (both offensively and defensively) to occur during matches.

Should it really be any surprise then when the club concedes so many easy points late in matches?

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As you can see, opponents are able to burst out of the blocks against West Coast as the system allows them to dominate possession. In response, the Eagles invariably push additional numbers up the ground to fill in holes, chase space and rally briefly; but all the extra effort in chasing shadows wears the team down, leaving the opponent free to re-gain dominance of possession during later stages – this time however, with much lower pressure being applied against them, the opponent is able to convert that dominance into easy goals on the scoreboard.

Only Richmond have conceded more points during last quarters this season than West Coast.

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This is a team with a ruckman that averages less than 75% time on ground, combined with a playing squad that incorporates 6-7 other key talls, in addition to midfielders returning from injuries.

And yet the approach is to somehow out-work the opponent and close out space, primarily through aerobic effort, in order to pin them down and gain territorial superiority.

Running is simply not a strength of this West Coast team, especially so when selection keeps finding places for unnecessary numbers of key-sized players – so expecting it to cover more ground than the opponent as a means of maintaining defensive cohesion is utterly foolish – and unfortunately will more often than not, lead to disappointing outcomes of the type that we been seeing of late.

Having more “energy” won’t make B.Williams or Flynn into an 85% time on ground ruckman, much like getting Jones to run 13km+ up the ground chasing grass won’t help the team to win ground balls in attack.

It is one thing to work hard, gut run and show effort – but if that extra effort leads to little in outcome other than early fatigue which allows the opponent to take hold of the game – then it just becomes dumb football.


Hawthorn ended up scoring 14 goals:

• 8 came from West Coast turnovers
• 9 came from chains that began in the defensive half of the ground

All the flaws in the system were laid bare - the Eagles gave the ball away going forward and then simply could not prevent the Hawks from generating attack out of defence.

S.Mitchell simply instructed his team to perform the following:

• Run the lanes
• Look for the short option
• Generate extra numbers in the corridor
• Move the ball quickly at every opportunity

Really simple stuff. But that is all that is necessary to break the Eagles’ defence. There is nothing novel about what Hawthorn did; indeed, it now seems to happen every week.


With the offensive capability teams now have at their disposal due to the recent rule changes, the days of being able to zone space through the middle are gone – if an opposing player is there somebody must go to them and mark up.

The dominance of “space” zones that are analogous to those utilised in soccer and hockey and are based more towards containing or directing opposing ball use in a certain way, is over. In their place are basketball-style “track” or hybrid zones, where players will track man-on-man with an opposing counterpart when play is in certain areas of the ground.

The first hurdle the club must overcome on the road to redemption is the abandonment of the zone defence as it currently stands.

The second hurdle relates to the ease in which opponents are able to accumulate possession. West Coast are worst in the competition when it comes to opposition dominance of ball.

View attachment 2035696​

This Round 16 match was the fourth time in 2024 that the club found itself losing uncontested possessions by more than 100; that's now consecutive weeks and 3 of the past 5 matches. In just one match this season (Round 10) have the Eagles won in uncontested possession.

With the team struggling to break even in the middle, the go-to response by the Eagles post-2018 is to cannibalise the forward line and repurpose it as additional cover for the under-pressure defence. The result is West Coast forwards often end up spending significant periods away from where they would usually be expected to operate and forward half pressure unsurprisingly drops off a cliff. A prime example is the current use of Chesser, Jones and L.Edwards, who have become the latest re-tread versions of the redundant aerobic sweeping “Masten” role – occupying so much time in the defensive half of the ground that they are no longer facilitating any forward function at all.

Of course, limiting the attack in such a way creates its own set of problems that are arguably far worse than the problem it is setting out to address. It is here that opponents are able to reaffirm their transition game, counterattacking from defence and where the club’s own ball movement from the back half suffers a lonely, withering death.

Rather, one should work to prevent the opposition from creating those midfield extras in the first place.

The third piece that requires correction is offensive ball movement (or the lack thereof).

What is the point of trying to control possession if no ground is being gained? As we as fans are all too aware, much to our frustration, the West Coast will voluntarily lose territory not just once, but multiple times in a match, trying to manufacture a slow switch in play that will never open up the opposing defence and only results in additional pressure being placed upon the Eagles’ defence that was completely unnecessary.

But for what reason is the retreat in the first place? No other club in the entire competition exhibits such risky activity that is so lacking in reward. Perhaps that is because there is a lack of options to kick to as the West Coast forwards are spending so much time up the ground to cover space defensively that they are often unavailable as offensive targets up forward. Thus the current situation is brought about, typified by slow, predictable ball movement that does not pose a threat to the opposing defence, ranking dead last of all teams for generating scores from the defensive half.

Get players ahead of the ball, stretch the opposing defence and provide those defenders with something to be worried about that creates uncertainty in terms of their positioning – that is how you create the opportunity for swift and direct ball movement that can tear a team to pieces.





Now it should be noted that all of the above is a near exact copy simply updated for this match and season from a post I made here back in 2021.

That it can detail so much of what is wrong today should be suffice enough to sum it all really.

The same issues have been described in detail since 2019 and yet they keep on repeating.


Nothing will change until the coach does.

And all this must have an accumulative and corrosive effect on the players belief and commitment in the game plan and the coach ultimately - when they bust a gut week after week for little reward or improvement?

 

[MrWoollie]

Darling can no longer impact anything. He can’t lift his arms above his head, he can’t jump off the ground.. he is cooked… jack williams should be playing in front of him from now on in…


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I've been a big fan over his whole career but right now it looks like he's fallen off the cliff, landed on his head and failed to wake up.

For the past few seasons he has been a slow starter and needed a few games to get into it. Same after an injury break. It's like he's been a wind up toy that needs a bit of a jolt to get going. Really bad for couple of games, lot's of effort but no real impact for a couple, then pretty good.

This year. No jolt, no spark, no impact, no reward for effort.

 

[Magnum27]

I've been a big fan over his whole career but right now it looks like he's fallen off the cliff, landed on his head and failed to wake up.

For the past few seasons he has been a slow starter and needed a few games to get into it. Same after an injury break. It's like he's been a wind up toy that needs a bit of a jolt to get going. Really bad for couple of games, lot's of effort but no real impact for a couple, then pretty good.

This year. No jolt, no spark, no impact, no reward for effort.

Clear they are just carrying him to 300 games now.

 

[Time To Hunt]

Chesser to the North Beach 2nds

Not sure he’d get a game…


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[DeckedOut20]

Hawks had 9 players under 24 y/o today.
WCE had 6. 1 was the sub, so of the starting 22, 17 have 0 excuses.

Can we please stop using words or terms like experience, maturity, or 'further along the rebuild'

You're spot on with your response.

Eagles were the 6th oldest team (average age 26.1 years) and the 7th most experienced (average of 105 games).

There is zero excuses for a team of that caliber to offer that performance up. 26.1 average is the second oldest team we have selected this year, behind the North Melbourne train wreck.

There is a correlation between the older our average age, the worse our performance is. The three games we won, we have been 25.5 or less.

If we were the 14th - 18th oldest, therefore a young team, that would explain this performance and be a lot more understandable.

Hawthorn are further along their rebuild and much closer to their next flag than us, but that's not the reason they embarrassed us.

Time to cull a lot of deadweight and play the f***ing kids.

Yes, they might not have earned a spot yet, but give them a crack.

And if the only change this week is Dom Sheed in, I will spew up.

 

[Smotie2]

Little has changed which has led to a continuance of disappointment and underachievement in the on-field performance of the club.

So how does this team repeatedly end up with such an embarrassing output?

The unfortunate answer is that the club today has by far the worst tactical setup that I have ever seen from any team.

It is at once compromised in both defence and attack and tries to remediate that by running the midfield into the ground, hampering the ability of that group to impact significantly during the latter part of matches. The gameplan has overwhelmingly pruned back its offensive capability to maintain defensive cohesion in the face of opposing counterattacks.

Opponents have come to learn that creating an outnumber through the corridor and linking disposal to shorter targets, rather than kicking long, rips apart the defensive zone of West Coast, creating an easy avenue to goal.

With the benefit of hindsight, the reluctance to modify the system in both directions was a time bomb that was always going to explode eventually once individual brilliance was no longer sufficient to deliver on-field results.

So where are we now? The club has completely broken down in defensive structure; whilst at the same time is completely unable to transition from defence into attack.


We keep hearing about how the club apparently needs more energy – however it remains questionable whether that will do much to address the tactical problems currently faced by the club.

Let’s face it, allowing an opponent 129 uncontested marks goes beyond whatever level of energy that the team may have – it only happens when your tactical setup is utterly incapable of containing the opposition.

It has little to do with energy when the opposition is able to walk through defensive holes in the middle of the ground, because the zone prioritises marking space over players, to the point where once opposing ball gets to the centre square the defence is opened up so comprehensively that it all but guarantees a shot on goal from directly in front.

The Telstra Tracker figures for the aerobic performance of both teams in this match against Hawthorn are similar, which dispels the obvious myth that the loss was due to being comprehensively outrun or due to a lack of effort by the players.
One team ran effectively, engaging dangerous positions; the other ran wildly to guard redundant space.

View attachment 2035692​

Considering the club continues to obsessively select squads that are overly tall, such instruction to run when the team currently features a midfield full of players that clearly remain underdone in their conditioning, combined with less rotational support, is a recipe for a dropoff in midfield output (both offensively and defensively) to occur during matches.

Should it really be any surprise then when the club concedes so many easy points late in matches?

View attachment 2035693​

As you can see, opponents are able to burst out of the blocks against West Coast as the system allows them to dominate possession. In response, the Eagles invariably push additional numbers up the ground to fill in holes, chase space and rally briefly; but all the extra effort in chasing shadows wears the team down, leaving the opponent free to re-gain dominance of possession during later stages – this time however, with much lower pressure being applied against them, the opponent is able to convert that dominance into easy goals on the scoreboard.

Only Richmond have conceded more points during last quarters this season than West Coast.

View attachment 2035695


This is a team with a ruckman that averages less than 75% time on ground, combined with a playing squad that incorporates 6-7 other key talls, in addition to midfielders returning from injuries.

And yet the approach is to somehow out-work the opponent and close out space, primarily through aerobic effort, in order to pin them down and gain territorial superiority.

Running is simply not a strength of this West Coast team, especially so when selection keeps finding places for unnecessary numbers of key-sized players – so expecting it to cover more ground than the opponent as a means of maintaining defensive cohesion is utterly foolish – and unfortunately will more often than not, lead to disappointing outcomes of the type that we been seeing of late.

Having more “energy” won’t make B.Williams or Flynn into an 85% time on ground ruckman, much like getting Jones to run 13km+ up the ground chasing grass won’t help the team to win ground balls in attack.

It is one thing to work hard, gut run and show effort – but if that extra effort leads to little in outcome other than early fatigue which allows the opponent to take hold of the game – then it just becomes dumb football.


Hawthorn ended up scoring 14 goals:

• 8 came from West Coast turnovers
• 9 came from chains that began in the defensive half of the ground

All the flaws in the system were laid bare - the Eagles gave the ball away going forward and then simply could not prevent the Hawks from generating attack out of defence.

S.Mitchell simply instructed his team to perform the following:

• Run the lanes
• Look for the short option
• Generate extra numbers in the corridor
• Move the ball quickly at every opportunity

Really simple stuff. But that is all that is necessary to break the Eagles’ defence. There is nothing novel about what Hawthorn did; indeed, it now seems to happen every week.


With the offensive capability teams now have at their disposal due to the recent rule changes, the days of being able to zone space through the middle are gone – if an opposing player is there somebody must go to them and mark up.

The dominance of “space” zones that are analogous to those utilised in soccer and hockey and are based more towards containing or directing opposing ball use in a certain way, is over. In their place are basketball-style “track” or hybrid zones, where players will track man-on-man with an opposing counterpart when play is in certain areas of the ground.

The first hurdle the club must overcome on the road to redemption is the abandonment of the zone defence as it currently stands.

The second hurdle relates to the ease in which opponents are able to accumulate possession. West Coast are worst in the competition when it comes to opposition dominance of ball.

View attachment 2035696​

This Round 16 match was the fourth time in 2024 that the club found itself losing uncontested possessions by more than 100; that's now consecutive weeks and 3 of the past 5 matches. In just one match this season (Round 10) have the Eagles won in uncontested possession.

With the team struggling to break even in the middle, the go-to response by the Eagles post-2018 is to cannibalise the forward line and repurpose it as additional cover for the under-pressure defence. The result is West Coast forwards often end up spending significant periods away from where they would usually be expected to operate and forward half pressure unsurprisingly drops off a cliff. A prime example is the current use of Chesser, Jones and L.Edwards, who have become the latest re-tread versions of the redundant aerobic sweeping “Masten” role – occupying so much time in the defensive half of the ground that they are no longer facilitating any forward function at all.

Of course, limiting the attack in such a way creates its own set of problems that are arguably far worse than the problem it is setting out to address. It is here that opponents are able to reaffirm their transition game, counterattacking from defence and where the club’s own ball movement from the back half suffers a lonely, withering death.

Rather, one should work to prevent the opposition from creating those midfield extras in the first place.

The third piece that requires correction is offensive ball movement (or the lack thereof).

What is the point of trying to control possession if no ground is being gained? As we as fans are all too aware, much to our frustration, the West Coast will voluntarily lose territory not just once, but multiple times in a match, trying to manufacture a slow switch in play that will never open up the opposing defence and only results in additional pressure being placed upon the Eagles’ defence that was completely unnecessary.

But for what reason is the retreat in the first place? No other club in the entire competition exhibits such risky activity that is so lacking in reward. Perhaps that is because there is a lack of options to kick to as the West Coast forwards are spending so much time up the ground to cover space defensively that they are often unavailable as offensive targets up forward. Thus the current situation is brought about, typified by slow, predictable ball movement that does not pose a threat to the opposing defence, ranking dead last of all teams for generating scores from the defensive half.

Get players ahead of the ball, stretch the opposing defence and provide those defenders with something to be worried about that creates uncertainty in terms of their positioning – that is how you create the opportunity for swift and direct ball movement that can tear a team to pieces.





Now it should be noted that all of the above is a near exact copy simply updated for this match and season from a post I made here back in 2021.

That it can detail so much of what is wrong today should be suffice enough to sum it all really.

The same issues have been described in detail since 2019 and yet they keep on repeating.


Nothing will change until the coach does.

Can someone send this to simmo.

 

[Hoskin300]

This is such a bad, bad take. You've been saying some silly stuff this evening, but this is absolute rubbish. Coaching and leadership has so much impact on the way a team plays, having played and coached football before I have been on both ends of it, and a good coach will inspire you to do things you didn't think you could do. A bad coach (or coach that just isn't up to it anymore) will fail to lift the playing group to the levels necessary to be a consistent side, week in, week out.

Fact is, any Manager in any job, ever, has the responsibility to make sure their direct reports are performing to the level expected. If those employees are not doing that, the Manager needs to provide coaching to correct it, or performance manage the person out of the business. If they fail to do that, and the team isn't performing, guess what happens? The Manager loses their job.

Football is no different. No, Simpson cannot go out on the field and help Kelly and Yeo get 30 touches each, but his job is to ensure there is 100% effort from 23 players every week, or certainly as close to that as humanly possible (See - Hawthorn today and for the last 8 weeks, also Sydney every week). If he cannot do that, then he is not the right person for the job any longer. We are better off finding the right coach who is going to be able to demand what is required from the playing group. Uncompromising standards must be set. We cannot be satisfied with mediocrity, and unfortunately what we're seeing is mediocrity. There are little to no consequences for what is being dished up. Not sure how you cannot see that?

I never said the coach doesn’t matter at all mate. Show me where I said anything close to that. Saying the list matters significantly more than the coach. I don’t know how anyone can disagree with that.

I have plenty of things I’m critical of Simpson about regardless. His team selections this year have been very frustrating. I just don’t think he can be blamed for our midfield getting slaughtered.

Comparing sport to office jobs is hilarious. Terrible analogy.

 

[Hoskin300]

At least there's a chance.
There's no chance at the moment.

We obviously have to change before our next flag Simpson can’t coach for two decades but we are better off doing it over an off season and getting the correct guy.

For example no chance dean cox comes right now.

 

[Hoskin300]

Hawks had 9 players under 24 y/o today.
WCE had 6. 1 was the sub, so of the starting 22, 17 have 0 excuses.

Can we please stop using words or terms like experience, maturity, or 'further along the rebuild'

They are further along in the rebuild. There guys aged 21-25 are what’s driving their current form.

But yes it is concerning we are losing whilst still playing shit older players.

 

[Magnum27]

Can someone send this to simmo.

Would not understand it, does not contain the word synergy.

 

[Hoskin300]

How the actual **** do you know?
Are you in a TARDIS?

Ffs you're your pissing into the wind arguing against 3 to 4 years of poor attitude and poor performances and one of the worst win loss records in history. Worse than Fitzroy.
9 wins out of 65 games is not even horrendous it's ****ing woeful.

Any coach will do better than this ****ing Muppet right now because one thing will happen and that is he will be different to Simpson who is lost and has no answers and has admitted that himself after the north game.

Get your head out of your arse and wake up to the fact he's a lame duck.
He is admitting it every time he coaches and sits there with the dumbfounded look on his face and doesn't do anything goal after opposition goal.

The best thing for himself is to walk away with the last skerrick of dignity he has and resign this week and work out a deal with the eagles and depart.

Go back to north and be Clarkson's assistant or something where he belongs.

Let us move on from this debacle of an era that he has resided over with this once great club and proud club who competed all the time and has brought us to a rabble of a side where not even the captain in Allen could be bothered chasing.

Simpson has brought us to a place where we accept we won't ****ing win and won't compete on a regular basis and that it's not his fault or responsibility.
We are surprised when we have wins like we have against freo and Melbourne. Why are we surprised? Because of where he's brought us to.

These are mostly the same players that played so well against these 2 teams, one of them sitting in third spot and we were "surprised".

WHY?

because we are used to and expect us losing ffs.

That's where we ****ing are and you are defending simpson?

Gtfo of here.

How the actual **** do you know?
Are you in a TARDIS?

Ffs you're your pissing into the wind arguing against 3 to 4 years of poor attitude and poor performances and one of the worst win loss records in history. Worse than Fitzroy.
9 wins out of 65 games is not even horrendous it's ****ing woeful.

Any coach will do better than this ****ing Muppet right now because one thing will happen and that is he will be different to Simpson who is lost and has no answers and has admitted that himself after the north game.

Get your head out of your arse and wake up to the fact he's a lame duck.
He is admitting it every time he coaches and sits there with the dumbfounded look on his face and doesn't do anything goal after opposition goal.

The best thing for himself is to walk away with the last skerrick of dignity he has and resign this week and work out a deal with the eagles and depart.

Go back to north and be Clarkson's assistant or something where he belongs.

Let us move on from this debacle of an era that he has resided over with this once great club and proud club who competed all the time and has brought us to a rabble of a side where not even the captain in Allen could be bothered chasing.

Simpson has brought us to a place where we accept we won't ****ing win and won't compete on a regular basis and that it's not his fault or responsibility.
We are surprised when we have wins like we have against freo and Melbourne. Why are we surprised? Because of where he's brought us to.

These are mostly the same players that played so well against these 2 teams, one of them sitting in third spot and we were "surprised".

WHY?

because we are used to and expect us losing ffs.

That's where we ****ing are and you are defending simpson?

Gtfo of here.

I literally said we should move Simpson on but ok.

Unfortunately most new coaches turn out to be mediocre coaches. That’s the reality. Unless we get someone proven but not sure who that is.

Thanks for that unhinged rant tho it was hilarious.

 

[DeckedOut20]

Not sure the tall forward line is working, again this week we were belted by scores from a defensive half origin. We scored 1.4.10 and Hawks 9.4.58. Think we need to be smaller and apply more pressure as teams are walking from end to end and scoring. That was evident with the Metres Gained, where the Eagles had 5,035 against the Hawks 6,134 (-1,109 metres). That's not just on the forwards but mids and backs involved too, team defense was abysmal.

We were also belted from:

• Stopage: 1.2.8 to 5.5.35 (-27 points)
• Turnover: 3.7.25 to 8.5.53 (-28 points)

From an individual point of view:

• One Eagles player (McGovern) in the top 12 rated players from the game - McGovern was deemed BOG by Champion Data. He was also the sixth highest rated player from all games in R16.
• Seven players in the bottom 11. - Yeo (Understandable), Hough, Brockman, Reid, Cole, Flynn (injured 35% of game time), Chess, Cripps, Rotham, Maric (Sub 30% game time) & Allen.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Not sure he’d get a game…


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Yeah he would. As the drinks runner.

With the speed he would get the hydration out to the players theyd be water logged by half time

 

[ThePuma #9]

So I went to bed last night conceding it was time for Simmo to move on. I said to myself he’ll see the rest of the season out because we don’t sack coaches mid season….then it dawned on me.

If Bevo and Hinkley are shown the door and we are third up what kind of coach will be looking at?

No one could argue those two lists are significantly better than ours so why would someone choose us over them?

We need to act now, we need to move quickly.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

Can we just not ****ing split/downgrade picks anymore?

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Any alarming bits of play people noticed or wanna bring up.

In the 4th quarter Bailey Willians thinking he couldnt make it back to the defense basically walking towards defensive 50. Hawks moved the ball slowly and took a contested grab. A contest Williams could have actually gotten too

That play in the last where Allen was on the wing in a marking contest, lost it and ended up a 3 on 1 with Hawthorn with Brockman running forward of the ball and someione else running for a handball receive. Once Allen lost it both just dropped their heads and let him compete 3 on 1.

Play in the 3rd where it was Cripps decided that on the 50m line he was going to blind tap it behind his head too move it forward. Reality is the moron just didnt want to get tackled. Led to a goal from the turnover

Feel like I could bring up 20 more to be honest

 

[Magnum27]

So I went to bed last night conceding it was time for Simmo to move on. I said to myself he’ll see the rest of the season out because we don’t sack coaches mid season….then it dawned on me.

If Bevo and Hinkley are shown the door and we are third up what kind of coach will be looking at?

No one could argue those two lists are significantly better than ours so why would someone choose us over them?

We need to act now, we need to move quickly.

I would be staggered if the club pulled the pin now or even before his contract is up, even though they probably should, one thing this club likes more than anything is money, and with the pay out required, i cannot see them pulling the trigger.

 

[Wight Wolf]

Called it two years ago, coach has to go.

Only risk I see is the turmoil resulting in Ried leaving, which would be disastrous

 

[bzparkes]

Called it two years ago, coach has to go.

Only risk I see is the turmoil resulting in Ried leaving, which would be disastrous

How many employees leave when their manager quits?

You'll generally get a cleanout of the plodders but the good ones generally stay on, if looked after.

 

[Wight Wolf]

How many employees leave when their manager quits?

You'll generally get a cleanout of the plodders but the good ones generally stay on, if looked after.

Reid is a unique case, I would say. I would still take the risk, but its still a risk that needs to be mitigated.

Id even throw money at Hinkley tbh. Round 20

 

[hudson2006]

+ve
Had some family drama, so had to miss the game and gave my ticket to my aunt.

-ve
I like my aunt, and feel bad that she had to experience that.

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

Reid is a unique case, I would say. I would still take the risk, but its still a risk that needs to be mitigated.

Id even throw money at Hinkley tbh. Round 20

Hinckley?

I'm reporting you for being a troll account

 

[Obeanie1]

So I went to bed last night conceding it was time for Simmo to move on. I said to myself he’ll see the rest of the season out because we don’t sack coaches mid season….then it dawned on me.

If Bevo and Hinkley are shown the door and we are third up what kind of coach will be looking at?

No one could argue those two lists are significantly better than ours so why would someone choose us over them?

We need to act now, we need to move quickly.

Aren't the front runners all coaching elsewhere?

What coach not currently at a club would get a look in?

Buckley?
Dew?
Who?

 

[Wight Wolf]

Hinckley?

I'm reporting you for being a troll account

No good? Would take him over simmo in a heartbeat. We need new, tell why he is a bad choice.... enlighten me

 

[Trouto]

The game yesterday highlighted why Matt Flynn only played 33 games in 9 years before joining us (dont know his injury history).

He is a bad ruckman. Before he got injured, he won 11 ruck contests for a single tap to advantage. Watching the game, nearly all of his ruck taps went directly to opposition players. I think setting up our midfield to be awaiting a winning ruck tap from Flynn is pointless - we do much better with Williams rucking and the mids assuming they will need to defend first.

Dylan82 can explain it better than me i rekon