Review Round 6, 2024 vs Collingwood

[1954]

As others have already said playing Soldo in the Dixon key forward role was ridiculous, he can score a goal or two drifting forward as a ruckman, but having him opposed to a genuine tall defender in Moore was just gift wrapping the position to the wobblers and their coach.

I didn't hear any of Warren Tredrea

Warren Tredrea

Age

45

Ht

194cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.3

4star

K

10.1

4star

HB

4.2

3star

M

6.9

5star

T

1.4

3star

G

2.2

5star

No current season stats available

D

5.4

2star

K

2.8

1star

HB

2.6

3star

M

1.2

2star

T

0.6

3star

G

1.0

4star

's comments during the game but I assuming he had no choice but to be diplomatic in public, his true test will come in how strong he is prepared to be in getting the obvious message across to kokhead and the rest of the board re how kern has been regularly outcoached by numerous coaches in big games for years now, and all that really changes is the date on the calendar.

 

[Peninsula Boy]

The only reason why our forward line looked more efficient this week is because all our goals were coming from the back half and we were kicking into an open forward line.

It's actually a sign we are playing s**t, not a sign that the forward line is functional.

We must have been watching different games.

The majority of our early goals were from individual brilliance. We could have been 3.6 instead of 6.3 at quarter time.

Early in the second quarter, Horne-Francis kicks a great individual goal from a stoppage and then we only kick 2 goals until the end of the third quarter. That is basically a half of footy where we kick two goals. The last quarter Collingwood put the cue in the rack.

The forward line looked pretty good, reasonably good. good enough but didn't get the ball in there enough to give a real reading but it wasn't a disaster.

Also, I just don't remember that many times our forward line being open. I do remember the Collingwood forward line was open though.

 

[1954]

I'm on the same page as those who are of the opinion hinkley is as surprised as anyone that he has retained a senior coaching role for this long, and probably would have expected to have been sacked at least 4 or 5 seasons ago by any other club.

He is obviously not particularly intelligent in the true sense, but he does have a rat cunning, and the mindset that if these fools ( ie kok ) keep offering me truckloads of cash, I'm going to keep taking it!

 

[tribey]

I’d rather hear him talk about what went wrong and tell us how they’re going to fix it.

This should make you feel better then. We’re clearly in very good hands.

 

[philreich]

42-101 after quarter time.

They kicked 14 of the last 18 goals.

 

[Windy Cindy]

You must have rocks in your head if you think playing soldo forward looked better than Dixon. I don't remember soldo taking a mark, let alone a mark inside 50.

Love big Ivan but marking is not his strong suit..

But then again is marking any of our forwards strong suit

 

[Windy Cindy]

Two rucks works when one of them is a good enough forward to get picked to play predominately forward and the other has enough forward craft to spend maybe 30% time forward.

We have tried for almost 20 years.. until we find another lade can we please stop trying.

 

[Janus]

Two rucks works when one of them is a good enough forward to get picked to play predominately forward and the other has enough forward craft to spend maybe 30% time forward.

See Cameron/Cox last year.

The thing about playing any kind of ruck in a key forward position is that the opposition needs to believe that the ruck is a marking threat. Notice that in the first quarter, Moore was all at sea because he wasn't sure when to screen off Soldo because he thought that Ivan might be a marking threat.

As soon as Collingwood realised that neither ruck was going to do what Cox was doing in the forward line (4 contested marks, 3 marks inside 50, 2 goals), Moore was free to just roam around doing whatever he wanted cause we wither wouldn't kick it to Soldo/Sweet (cause we knew they wouldn't take the mark) or if we did...they wouldn't take the mark. And that completely dried up our forward 50 entries (cause now Moore was screening off).

If you want to blame anyone, blame:

Finlayson for being a ****ing selfish idiot and costing the team his presence in the forward line.

Hinkley for stubbornly letting Dixon have a week off regardless of the fact that neither Lord or Finlayson were available for this game. Literally conceded the game before a ball was bounced.

I don't give a **** if Charlie and Ken have some agreement that he didn't play this round. If this shit happens again when we don't have viable replacements available that can take a ****ing contested mark, my thoughts will echo Craig Foster's when Australia lost 4-0 to Germany:

"I don't believe, and I'll make this very clear, I don't believe that the tactics, the approach, should ever have been allowed because it's not the way we play...it was a disgrace. It's out of his control actually, to be perfectly honest with you. I would have walked down after the game and sacked him, because it's not good enough."

 

[n4nirvana]

The Club is what it is - its not a true premiership contender, its just a really solid club for the past 12 years.
The Just Ok Club. The kind of Just Ok that brings out David Koch's pavlovian tick boxing grin.
However it's entirely disatisfying to anyone dreaming of a premiership occurring this lifetime.
The club never figured out a solid bottom 6 on game day nor a winning gameplan that works regardless who is in the 22 (ala Pies with Billy Frampton

17

Billy Frampton

Age

27

Ht

201cm

Wt

100kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.1

2star

K

5.1

2star

HB

4.0

3star

M

3.1

3star

T

0.7

3star

MG

99.0

2star

D

8.5

2star

K

4.8

2star

HB

3.8

3star

M

3.5

3star

T

0.5

1star

MG

99.0

2star

D

9.2

3star

K

5.6

3star

HB

3.6

3star

M

2.8

3star

T

1.0

3star

MG

107.0

2star

et al).
The recruiting staff has worked overtime these 12 years first filling out the 18 in 2012/13 with Matt White, Angus Monfries, trading high prospect juniors in Polec and Brad Ebert

7

Brad Ebert

Age

34

Ht

189cm

Wt

90kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

19.9

5star

K

11.4

4star

HB

8.5

5star

M

4.6

4star

T

5.2

5star

G

0.5

3star

D

14.6

4star

K

9.8

4star

HB

4.9

3star

M

4.4

4star

T

3.8

4star

G

0.6

4star

D

12.0

3star

K

8.2

4star

HB

3.8

3star

M

3.2

4star

T

2.8

5star

G

0.2

3star

, Big Player Hunting in Dixon, Ryder and then Cap space filling in getting Rockliff, Motlop and Watts in 2017.
It's just never been enough.
We're probably 2-3 Harrison Petty

35

Harrison Petty

Age

24

Ht

197cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.5

2star

K

5.7

2star

HB

3.8

3star

M

4.3

4star

T

2.1

4star

MG

120.7

2star

No current season stats available

D

9.8

3star

K

5.8

3star

HB

4.0

3star

M

4.2

4star

T

1.4

4star

MG

127.6

3star

's and a working game play away from being actual contenders.

 

[Scodges]

I am still dumbfounded that Soldo spent the majority of his time up forward before Sweet got subbed out.

Soldo is the one who has given our midfielders first use of the ball this season.

Yeah I was all for Sweet to come in, only as a cho out. Resting forward., a kick behind the play, bench, whatever. Soldo had to start ruck, I’d love to know if this was Carr, Chad or Hinkleys call. I’m guessing the latter .


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[Enviable Tradition]

Not excuses.

Collingwood had a pressure rating that was good in the first quarter and then ramped it up to elite in the second and third quarters. Port was at elite in the first quarter, was still elite in the second quarter but wasn’t able to maintain the same level of energy cause they didn’t have a week off.

The AFL scheduled almost every team that played in the opening round to play an opening round opponent the following week - when Brisbane had their bye they played Collingwood the next week at home.

When GWS and Gold Coast had their bye they played each other at Gather Round.

When Sydney had their bye last week they play Gold Coast this week at home.

Melbourne and Richmond had their bye this round - they play each other next week.

There are only two clubs that didn’t have to play other Opening Round clubs after their bye - Carlton who played North Melbourne “away” at Marvel and Collingwood who played Port Adelaide at home.

The only way we were ever going to win this game was if we jumped Collingwood out of the blocks (check) AND we played Dixon or Lord (great contested marks) at the very least so that when Collingwood pressed we had a bail out. Do people seriously think our side is that great that we can win with four of our best 23 (Dixon, Finlayson, Boak, Lord) out of the side? That playing Sweet when Cox, who is not really a great ruck but does take 4 contested marks and kick 2 goals, would have been done if Lord or Finlayson was available?

I think this is the only fan base that is dumb enough to celebrate a key forward going out for a backup ruck. And then doubles down on this stupidity by thinking we will actually play BETTER.

Yep pathetic excuses.

They had the bye.

We had 4 players out.

Good teams win regardless.

Good clubs don't allow for pathetic excuses.

How many did we have out in 2004?

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[tribey]

Yep pathetic excuses.

They had the bye.

We had 4 players out.

Good teams win regardless.

Good clubs don't allow for pathetic excuses.

How many did we have out in 2004?

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Yep. It’s clearly cultural at this point.

Even a new coach of Kingsley and McRae’s ilk would struggle to fumigate the buttersoft, ‘footy’s a means to an end’, near enough’s good enough Glenelgian attitudes that have whiteanted the joint.

 

[Handyandy]

Do we have a proper sports psychologist at the club? 99% of the problem is between the ears
When I was a sporty lad I got to a certain level in tennis (I kicked Lleyton Hewitts arse (I was a fully grown man who could serve close to 200kmh & he was a little school boy barely taller than the net but I gave him a good hiding)) & footy but could never make it to the top level because I would choke in big moments, on the big stage, particularly if there was some expectation of victory and if my family came to watch me in a big final I would chuck a big tanty, swear, lose to a bunny I had thrashed before & break my raquet, just like ports perform on big stages over the last decade
So my parents gifted me a book called ‘the inner game of tennis’ & it was a revelation. It was like the book had been written for me & explained clearly the psychology of winning vs choking & gave you strategies to address the issue.
I would be happy to buy every port player a copy so they are able to identify their mental defects & try to rectify them before their careers are wasted

 

[HaroldOliver]

Too few of our players ever put their body between their opponent and the ball. Can't stand players who just reach for the ball without being prepared to take a hit to the body. I was taught that when you didn't fully attack the contest that was when you really could get hurt.
Many if our players are soft as... just like our coach.

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[Janus]

Yep pathetic excuses.

They had the bye.

We had 4 players out.

Good teams win regardless.

Good clubs don't allow for pathetic excuses.

How many did we have out in 2004?

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Completely different era. The AFL is now a socialist league, which means that they want as many even games as possible. When you push for that kind of parity, all it takes is missing two or three players or a couple of players down on form to tip the scales massively.

Or do you think that Collingwood went +28 over their 2023 contested possession average because we were so shit?

 

[Handyandy]

You could see port wilt & fold like daffodils vs the hostile Collingwood crowd & biased umpires last season & again this season.
The problem is in the head

 

[Handyandy]

Would have thought Darren Cahill a perfect candidate to talk to the boys about their underperforming & choking

 

[JUSTWORK]

Would have thought Darren Cahill a perfect candidate to talk to the boys about their underperforming & choking

You recon Hinkley would allow that?

 

[Tim Chinever]

Do we have a proper sports psychologist at the club? 99% of the problem is between the ears
When I was a sporty lad I got to a certain level in tennis (I kicked Lleyton Hewitts arse (I was a fully grown man who could serve close to 200kmh & he was a little school boy barely taller than the net but I gave him a good hiding)) & footy but could never make it to the top level because I would choke in big moments, on the big stage, particularly if there was some expectation of victory and if my family came to watch me in a big final I would chuck a big tanty, swear, lose to a bunny I had thrashed before & break my raquet, just like ports perform on big stages over the last decade
So my parents gifted me a book called ‘the inner game of tennis’ & it was a revelation. It was like the book had been written for me & explained clearly the psychology of winning vs choking & gave you strategies to address the issue.
I would be happy to buy every port player a copy so they are able to identify their mental defects & try to rectify them before their careers are wasted

Is that you Roger?

 

[Holden Hillbilly]

 

[Handyandy]

You recon Hinkley would allow that?

He does seem resentful & dismissive of ports old heroes & champions. While we were dominating the sanfl he was busy being dominated by the hawks

 

[Bump Bailey]

Would have thought Darren Cahill a perfect candidate to talk to the boys about their underperforming & choking

Ken’s insecurities wouldn’t allow it, and that’s why a tremendous resource in Darren Cahill is no longer on the board. He was completely marginalised.

 

[Enoch Blaze]

Unfortunately club we once knew is no longer. Koch has completely turned it into an AFL franchise. Where balance sheets are all that matters.

Anyone willing to demand change, even question it, is chased away as a heretic and replaced with new paying customers.

I no longer talk Ports with my son, he still goes "just for the social side". Anytime he tries bringing up the subject I refer to him and his mates as being "Part of the problem".

Sounds productive.

 

[Harlott]

Ken’s insecurities wouldn’t allow it, and that’s why a tremendous resource in Darren Cahill is no longer on the board. He was completely marginalised.

What was the outcome of when he went into the coaches box to observe? Ken’s still here. “Thanks killa, we’ll definitely take that on board when we make a decision on Ken”

 

[Enoch Blaze]

Facts

watch us lose to Adelaide

Definite concern.