Opinion Sack Hinkley 11 - Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest

[Peninsula Boy]

It sounds like there is a general malaise around the whole team and it's just showing up differently in different players.

Yeah, that is the way I see it.

 

[davesnothere]

So, if this is the case, and Cox is not interested in the Eagles gig, does this mean Carr will be on their radar? Will this spook Port into making a call on Hinkley?

If Cox doesn't want it it's Graham as a slight favourite over Josh I suspect?

Josh would be right up there though.

 

[Thunderer]

Can he be sacked or at least quit so this is finally over with?

I am tired, and I suspect so are many of the players, who are also being gaslighted into thinking it is all their fault.

 

[Peninsula Boy]

Can he be sacked or at least quit so this is finally over with?

I am tired, and I suspect so are many of the players, who are also being gaslighted into thinking it is all their fault.

Once Chris Davies had a go at the list a few weeks ago, for mine, it just sat badly and really don't know what he was thinking.

He was obviously trying to deflect blame from the coaching and administration but in the end, it doubles down on it and put the players in a position where they are being told they are not good enough. I mean, they get that enough from Kenny Average and now from this bloke and for no real good reason.

 

[philreich]

It's hilarious really the very obvious sidestepping Kane does when it comes to Port and Ken.

Critisizing the game-plan but not mentioning the head coach js just *chefs kiss

So quite literally this season we've heard,

-poor goal kicking and conversion (players faults)
-poor on field attitude and "wanting it enough" (players faults)
-list and talent levels not contender worthy (CD/Cripps fault)
-game plan out dated and failing (game-plans fault?)

Ken can't kick it for them, he can't plan it for them, he can't study the opposition for them, he can't develop talent for them and he can't make them want it/believe in themselves.

Again, I'd love for someone in the media to explain exactly what Ken is responsible for?


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Simply put, Ken is responsible for bleeding the club of around $10 million.

 

[PowerBaz]

So let’s get Longmire.

 

[Palpatine_Power]

We’re so far beyond what ‘normal’ looks like for a club on timelines stretching out this long, that even if one was to wholly agree with Kane’s pro-Hinkley clickbait shtick, the issue remains the same.

Whatever blame or innocence can be apportioned to players, coaches, admin, whoever, Hinkley‘s overseen and flubbed more chances than anyone else in the history of the league, and has objectively been there too long.

Everyone needs a fresh start.

They'll be inspecting individual blades of grass at the indelible Portress soon. Anything but the coach!

 

[1954]

Hinkley obviously isn't particularly intelligent but he does have the street cunning to milk something to his advantage, ala the croc tears and the public father image showboating on the bench with JHF, and the week before that the finger waving to a very p*ssed off Butters.

The good news is that even Kane Korner is now making comments about his unsustainable game plan, albeit he is at least 5 years late to that party and is only following up on comments already made by other members of the Vic media.

We are now at the stage where only a finals berth and at least one finals win should be able to save kern, but with the weakest chairman in the history of the club we could lose every game and it would unfortunately still not be a certainty to happen.

 

[EskimoPAFC]

So, if this is the case, and Cox is not interested in the Eagles gig, does this mean Carr will be on their radar? Will this spook Port into making a call on Hinkley?

I think so - they'll need to re-sign him for another 2 years in case Carr goes and they have to develop someone else in a succession plan under Hinkley.

 

[EskimoPAFC]

If Cox doesn't want it it's Graham as a slight favourite over Josh I suspect?

Josh would be right up there though.

Hansen would be my favourite.

 

[PowerBaz]

Would Schofield come back minus Hinkley and Carr (if he went somewhere?).

I still think Carr will be coach.

If they clip Hinkley before season’s end I wonder if Chad will be made coach not to have a Carr in that position.

 

[TeeKray]

Once Chris Davies had a go at the list a few weeks ago, for mine, it just sat badly and really don't know what he was thinking.

He was obviously trying to deflect blame from the coaching and administration but in the end, it doubles down on it and put the players in a position where they are being told they are not good enough. I mean, they get that enough from Kenny Average and now from this bloke and for no real good reason.

It was quite an incredible statement really, even without the context of Hinkley being in his 12th season and Davies being in his 10th season and thus both bearing significant responsibility for the state of the list. To throw your players and list and recruiting team under the bus like that says a lot about Davies' priorities - which appear to be himself first, Hinkley second and everyone else a distant last.

 

[True__Believer]

So, if this is the case, and Cox is not interested in the Eagles gig, does this mean Carr will be on their radar? Will this spook Port into making a call on Hinkley?

Remember the last time the club got spooked into making a call on Hinkley? They extended him

 

[MrPlow]

Would Schofield come back minus Hinkley and Carr (if he went somewhere?).

I still think Carr will be coach.

If they clip Hinkley before season’s end I wonder if Chad will be made coach not to have a Carr in that position.

I think we burnt our bridge with Schofield

Wouldn’t surprise me if he gets the head gig at WC

 

[GremioPower]

Again, I'd love for someone in the media to explain exactly what Ken is responsible for?

The wins

 

[johnnysix]

I don't know where people get the confidence to say he's gone before or at the end of the season. I have zero confidence we are sacking this guy at all. I would be legitimately surprised if anyone else but Ken is coach next season. The miniscule of hope I have is that Kosch has been unusually quiet this season.

 

[Enviable Tradition]

The good news is that even Kane Korner is now making comments about his unsustainable game plan.

Which to me suggest CD is getting his media mates to prime everyone for a change.



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[Steve Dore]

It's hilarious really the very obvious sidestepping Kane does when it comes to Port and Ken.

Critisizing the game-plan but not mentioning the head coach js just *chefs kiss

So quite literally this season we've heard,

-poor goal kicking and conversion (players faults)
-poor on field attitude and "wanting it enough" (players faults)
-list and talent levels not contender worthy (CD/Cripps fault)
-game plan out dated and failing (game-plans fault?)

Ken can't kick it for them, he can't plan it for them, he can't study the opposition for them, he can't develop talent for them and he can't make them want it/believe in themselves.

Again, I'd love for someone in the media to explain exactly what Ken is responsible for?


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Except Davies has confirmed that Hinkley is part of the list management committee. Even paid club propagandist Rucci has acknowledged this;

"At Port Adelaide, it is Cripps, Parker, Ken Hinkley and Chris Davies."

After 12 years the Hinkley apologists can no longer credibly claim that he has inherited a list not of his making.

 

[KrispyKremeMullanikka]

I don't know where people get the confidence to say he's done before or at the end of the season. I have zero confidence we are sacking this guy at all. I would be legitimately surprised if anyone else but Ken is coach next season. The miniscule of hope I have is that Kosch has been unusually quiet this seas.

Johnny, as I said last night, a lost Saturday night against favourites for the wooden spoon Richmond is a monumental loss of all proportions where there is no turning back. As I said last night, all hell with break loose, and I don’t mean that figuratively, quite literally, all hell with break loose to the point that booing at the Brisbane game with seem like child’s play.

 

[TeeKray]

The inherent problem with having the coach on the list management committee is that you could have a coach with a personality disorder such as Hinkley who is more interested in protecting his own job in the short term than in building and managing a playing list for the long term (which would appear to be the goal of list management).

 

[JayPea14]

the guy is a cockaroach...he will come back after a nuclear apocalypse to coach us

 

[KrispyKremeMullanikka]

the guy is a cockaroach...he will come back after a nuclear apocalypse to coach us

Yes, he will. The club, on the other hand, won’t. I'll be amazed if they do.

 

[johnnysix]

Johnny, as I said last night, a lost Saturday night against favourites for the wooden spoon Richmond is a monumental loss of all proportions where there is no turning back. As I said last night, all hell with break loose, and I don’t mean that figuratively, quite literally, all hell with break loose to the point that booing at the Brisbane game with seem like child’s play.

I would still be extremely surprised to see anything happen after a loss to Richmond. It would be seen as capitulating to the 'outside noise' rather than 'holding steadfast to our plans'. Also, at this point, what real purpose does it server to put Carr in for the rest of the season when most of us here are saying we'll struggle to win 1 or 2 games? So Carr comes in and as expected, he wins 1... maybe 2 games. What did we learn about Carr that helps us decide if he's the man for the future? Not a lot. It's not a long time to turn things around and change a sides mentality. What if he comes in and we win enough to make finals? Is it a sugar hit? Is it sustainable? The only outcome that provides any degree of confidence would be if he came in and we made it to, and won a prelim at minimum. Anything else gives you bugger all. As much as we all want Ken gone, this season is basically shot. Why put the next 5-10 years at risk and compromise your next choice? We only just extended his contract. For us to make that call based on 6 months of non-finals data when we have 10+ years already makes the administration look incompetent.

 

[johnnysix]

It's hilarious really the very obvious sidestepping Kane does when it comes to Port and Ken.

Critisizing the game-plan but not mentioning the head coach js just *chefs kiss

So quite literally this season we've heard,

-poor goal kicking and conversion (players faults)
-poor on field attitude and "wanting it enough" (players faults)
-list and talent levels not contender worthy (CD/Cripps fault)
-game plan out dated and failing (game-plans fault?)

Ken can't kick it for them, he can't plan it for them, he can't study the opposition for them, he can't develop talent for them and he can't make them want it/believe in themselves.

Again, I'd love for someone in the media to explain exactly what Ken is responsible for?


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The lack of acknowledgement was deafening after the Bulldogs game when in Kanes own words, we put our midfield up against theirs and blitzed them because they didn't tag anyone. Yet... Kanes excuse for bashing Bevo and protecting Ken, is that their list is so much better than ours. But in a head to head showdown, we blitzed them? You can't have it both ways. He then went on to criticize Bevo for not tagging us. So why wouldn't the coach of our team be responsible for the same tactical failures we exhibit? Like our almost decade-long persistence with a failed game plan, especially our forward set up. We continually revert to the same failed setups.

 

[MrMeaner]

We aren't losing to Richmond. Besides anything else, they have a number 1 draft pick to play for.