Certified Legendary Thread Sack Hinkley 13 - Another Crack At This

[Duck Farmer]

‘Membership is up’….. that’s all they care about

More cherry picked data to deflect how they're really performing. Revenue per membership and home game attendances are down.

 

[rogerjames]

David Koch relies on data he clearly doesn't understand.

Data is a collection of raw facts which do not carry any specific meaning. Information is a group of data that collectively carries a logical meaning. Koch has so little understanding of what it takes to be a professional sporting organisation that he is unable to analyse the data to extract the pertinent information.

He cherrypicks the data to suit his agenda like many people do

 

[Chewy316]

As per the reply I read just before from Richardson - (the one on this page).

‘Membership is up’….. that’s all they care about, there is no way in professional sport Ken would be coaching knowing his midfield coach has a signed contract to take his job… if that’s the case I expect it to be announced in March.

The longer Ken stays the more likely Carr isn’t the next coach.

Ken has known about the Carr stuff going back to when he signed his last extension in August of 2023.

 

[tribey]

A 14 goal QF loss and a 12 goal PF loss - both in Adelaide, should be enough to warrant a dismissal.

And he looked like a frightened and confused dementia patient as both disasters unfolded.

He’s absolutely useless when the whips are cracking, but it’s ok, because we’re a little club and our list is terrible, or something.

 

[JimmyBC]

A nudge nudge wink wink succession plan is so unprofessional I still can't get to grips with it.

 

[TeeKray]

If anyone has the Archives Collection from 2020, I recommend giving Fos Williams' letter to the playing group from the 1973 pre season a read. It's one of those documents you read that is now over 50 years old - before I and many here were even born - and yet contains so much wisdom and thoughtful observations that still remain relevant to this day.

What's most amazing is that all these years later AFL coaching appears to have been dumbed down to an exercise in everyone be mates with each other and let's all learn defensive structures woo hoo.

 

[Harlott]

The succession plan, if there is one, would be as water tight as Howard/Costello.

 

[Chewy316]

The succession plan, if there is one, would be as water tight as Howard/Costello.

Depends on whether or not a contract has been signed - and if so, what the conditions are on said contract.

This is no doubt going to be a talking point from round 1 onwards if there isn't public certainty on the coaching situation.

 

[JimmyBC]

Depends on whether or not a contract has been signed - and if so, what the conditions are on said contract.

This is no doubt going to be a talking point from round 1 onwards if there isn't public certainty on the coaching situation.

If there's something in the contract re a succession plan they've been lying for over 12 months.

 

[Chewy316]

If there's something in the contract re a succession plan they've been lying for over 12 months.

Which would be on point for this regime.

 

[Harlott]

Depends on whether or not a contract has been signed - and if so, what the conditions are on said contract.

This is no doubt going to be a talking point from round 1 onwards if there isn't public certainty on the coaching situation.

Ok but I think if there is one, then it’s only a handshake. I also think KHinkley’s of the mindset that he’s come this far and has his main players entering their peak, there’s no way he’s going to give this group up willingly to Carr.

 

[tribey]

AFL coaching appears to have been dumbed down to an exercise in everyone be mates with each other

You could expand this description to the entire industry.

Apart from Kane Cornes’ performative shtick and Grant Thomas’ earnest curmudgeonry, the entire caper seems to be everyone noshing each other off at every waking opportunity.

Name any other elite sport on the planet where a congenital failure serving up a record tenure for futility such as our esteemed mastermind, could serve up an 80pt loss at home to the 13th-placed team — which looked like being 100+ when the booing began — and emerge from that debacle as the victim.

And he shamelessly courted that status with his subsequent blubbering on Sarah Jones’ shoulder and emotional claims the past week [of long overdue public member discontent] had been “damn hard”.

Rohan Connolly, of all people, repeatedly needling Port fans on Twitter for being sick of this pampered loser and jumping on the “poor Ken, great bloke, it’s the players” derp train.

Connor Rozee, Joe Richards and every d¡ckhead we have earning a wage down there blowing Hinkley’s bags at every opportunity, regardless of the annual trainwreck he presides over.

If we weren’t all emotionally imprisoned by what lingering love of the club we have left, you wouldn’t touch this competition and its festering culture with a barge pole.

 

[Chewy316]

Ok but I think if there is one, then it’s only a handshake. I also think KHinkley’s of the mindset that he’s come this far and has his main players entering their peak, there’s no way he’s going to give this group up willingly to Carr.

Carr had the Richmond job if he wanted it. He also was a top candidate for the West Coast job as well (someone well connected to the AFL though not specifically Port told me Carr was near or at the top of West Coast's targets).

If Carr has not used either situation as leverage to get something in writing at Port, and instead is relying solely on a handshake, he's a bloody idiot.

I personally will be surprised if they don't have something formally sorted by Christmas, possibly even before the AGM. It is too detrimental to be going into 2025 just as they did in 2023.

 

[philreich]

Which would be on point for this regime.

They're always moving the goal posts, with regard to expectations. I'm sure Koch said several years ago (2019?) that if we're not playing for premierships, then why are we playing (or words to that effect) - he's certainly playing a different tune now!!!

 

[Us against the rest]

You could expand this description to the entire industry.

Apart from Kane Cornes’ performative shtick and Grant Thomas’ earnest curmudgeonry, the entire caper seems to be everyone noshing each other off at every waking opportunity.

Name any other elite sport on the planet where a congenital failure serving up a record tenure for futility such as our esteemed mastermind, could serve up an 80pt loss at home to the 13th-placed team — which looked like being 100+ when the booing began — and emerge from that debacle as the victim.

And he shamelessly courted that status with his subsequent blubbering on Sarah Jones’ shoulder and emotional claims the past week [of long overdue public member discontent] had been “damn hard”.

Rohan Connolly, of all people, repeatedly needling Port fans on Twitter for being sick of this pampered loser and jumping on the “poor Ken, great bloke, it’s the players” derp train.

Connor Rozee, Joe Richards and every d¡ckhead we have earning a wage down there blowing Hinkley’s bags at every opportunity, regardless of the annual trainwreck he presides over.

If we weren’t all emotionally imprisoned by what lingering love of the club we have left, you wouldn’t touch this competition and its festering culture with a barge pole.

I learned how to dig my way out of this emotional pit of bullshit.

 

[Acemanjam]

I'd be curious to know if Cripps and co are currently speaking to Carr re list building and future targets etc. Or if we are still looking to build solely off Kens gameplan.

 

[Us against the rest]

Carr had the Richmond job if he wanted it. He also was a top candidate for the West Coast job as well (someone well connected to the AFL though not specifically Port told me Carr was near or at the top of West Coast's targets).

If Carr has not used either situation as leverage to get something in writing at Port, and instead is relying solely on a handshake, he's a bloody idiot.

I personally will be surprised if they don't have something formally sorted by Christmas, possibly even before the AGM. It is too detrimental to be going into 2025 just as they did in 2023.

It well could be that Josh is quite content in his role ATM. He needs to be here in SA as we know and possibly his job ATM is demanding enough and fits in well with his personal issues at home.

Maybe he doesn't want to be the head potato, who knows.

 

[tribey]

It well could be that Josh is quite content in his role ATM. He needs to be here in SA as we know and possibly his job ATM is demanding enough and fits in well with his personal issues at home.

Maybe he doesn't want to be the head potato, who knows.

It also takes any urgency out of the succession plan: handshake, secret clause, or otherwise.

Jack Cahill got pushed because by a quirk of fate, all three of Choco’s former VFL clubs were said to be in the market for a new head coach at the end of 1998 (Shaw was on thin ice at Collingwood, Northey was gone at Brisbane, Sheedy was thought to be stale at Essendon and potentially keen to jump to a side-eyeing Richmond before he was pushed).

Collingwood faced a similar scenario with Malthouse and Nathan Buckley’s itchy feet.

If Carr’s content to stay rooted in Adelaide regardless, why not leave things as they are?

We just finished 2nd and made a Prelim!!!1

 

[TeeKray]

I learned how to dig my way out of this emotional pit of bullshit.

No you didn't otherwise you wouldn't still be here.

 

[VineValerian]

If Carr’s content to stay rooted in Adelaide regardless, why not leave things as they are?

We just finished 2nd and made a Prelim!!!1

Shoot this dolt asap!

 

[JimmyBC]

It also takes any urgency out of the succession plan: handshake, secret clause, or otherwise.

Jack Cahill got pushed because by a quirk of fate, all three of Choco’s former VFL clubs were said to be in the market for a new head coach at the end of 1998 (Shaw was on thin ice at Collingwood, Northey was gone at Brisbane, Sheedy was thought to be stale at Essendon and potentially keen to jump to a side-eyeing Richmond before he was pushed).

Collingwood faced a similar scenario with Malthouse and Nathan Buckley’s itchy feet.

If Carr’s content to stay rooted in Adelaide regardless, why not leave things as they are?

We just finished 2nd and made a Prelim!!!1

"Josh will make a great coach one day I hope it is at Port Adelaide" or whatever Ken said along those lines was vom inducing. I think we've made a monster I mean imagine saying something like that about guys in their 40's with more than a decade under their belts like you are some coaching savant lording over the process.

 

[tribey]

Shoot this dolt asap!

Kenny™ will hand on when he’s good and ready.

What’s Josh gonna do, go and coach North Haven?

 

[cosmicwinduptoy]

It well could be that Josh is quite content in his role ATM. He needs to be here in SA as we know and possibly his job ATM is demanding enough and fits in well with his personal issues at home.

Maybe he doesn't want to be the head potato, who knows.

Waiting until 2026 is the smartest choice for him. By then, the young players will have gained another year of development, and JHF will be primed to dominate the competition. With new assistant coaches coming on board—and likely having a strong say in their selection—it’s an ideal situation to hold off for now.

 

[Harlott]

Carr had the Richmond job if he wanted it. He also was a top candidate for the West Coast job as well (someone well connected to the AFL though not specifically Port told me Carr was near or at the top of West Coast's targets).

If Carr has not used either situation as leverage to get something in writing at Port, and instead is relying solely on a handshake, he's a bloody idiot.

I personally will be surprised if they don't have something formally sorted by Christmas, possibly even before the AGM. It is too detrimental to be going into 2025 just as they did in 2023.

And you know he had the Richmond job how? So they were going to appoint an unproven coach without a process? Sure ok.
And he was a top candidate for the WC job? With due respect that’s all rumours until they’re not. I doubt he has the leverage you think he has. You really think they’ve gone into a formal succession plan with a time line when they sprout how great Hinkley’s H&A record is, and how many top 4 placings he’s had recently and how top 8 is the pass mark? That would require them to say we think Ken has done a great job up until now but we believe Josh, the unproven senior afl coach, will take them the next two steps (because he has our midfield humming in finals)…

 

[Us against the rest]

Waiting until 2026 is the smartest choice for him. By then, the young players will have gained another year of development, and JHF will be primed to dominate the competition. With new assistant coaches coming on board—and likely having a strong say in their selection—it’s an ideal situation to hold off for now.

It's going to take a while to turn the players around from not being accountable to the supporters and club, up to now they escape any criticism for not turning up when it matters, as does Hinkley.

We also have the same individuals in charge that set this low standard, so I'm not expecting any change under Carr for at least his 2nd season.