Certified Legendary Thread Sack Hinkley 13 - Another Crack At This

[StrappingTape]

The odds of that happening are remote irrespective of what the general consensus is around Koch's trigger happy tendencies.



All of that pressure can be deflated by announcing a succession plan before the start of the season.

It's already wasting the season if you are announcing a succession plan at the start for the guy who'se been assistant for years. If he's ready now, then why not now? Just wasting the year for what? It's an abysmal strategy. Sacking him is the better option.

 

[Chewy316]

It's already wasting the season if you are announcing a succession plan at the start for the guy who'se been assistant for years. If he's ready now, then why not now? Just wasting the year for what? It's an abysmal strategy. Sacking him is the better option.

Of course sacking him is the better option! It's not only the better option, it's the best option! But that's not going to happen. So what I described in my previous post is the next best option available imo.

 

[Us against the rest]

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[Harlott]

The odds of that happening are remote irrespective of what the general consensus is around Koch's trigger happy tendencies.



All of that pressure can be deflated by announcing a succession plan before the start of the season.

One question. Do you think Hinkley has agreed or will agree to a succession plan?
If so, why would he?

 

[Shaucob_Burjan]

The Club have internally discussed amongst themselves that they don't want next season to be a repeat of the drama-filled 2023 regarding Ken's contract.

What comes of that I'm not sure.

If there is a succession plan in place without a start date, I think it would be obvious to all parties given when said plan was orchestrated (August 2023) that the rollover to Carr was to occur in 12 months time.

I guess we will know soon enough as to the plan going forward. They're setting themselves up for a mess of their own making if they don't sort it out prior to the season starting.

Was it not a 'drama' because he was booed to heck by the home crowd?

Pretty simple fix to avoid this drama if you ask me.

 

[Chewy316]

One question. Do you think Hinkley has agreed or will agree to a succession plan?
If so, why would he?

I believe he agreed to it at the time he signed his current contract, and it wouldn't surprise me if he had to agree to it in order to get the contract extension in the first place.

I have no idea if he still agrees with it now.

 

[Chewy316]

Was it not a 'drama' because he was booed to heck by the home crowd?

Pretty simple fix to avoid this drama if you ask me.

It was a drama of their own making. Very simple fix by providing certainty before the start of the season.

 

[fergulator72]

One question. Do you think Hinkley has agreed or will agree to a succession plan?
If so, why would he?

Nope,he's stated at least twice that I've heard and prob more that there's no succession plan

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[fergulator72]

I don't want Carr any more either, he's been in this bizarre system too long and doesn't seem hungry enough to push the club to make a decision now.

Like I have posted prior, there has been no official announcement from the club on any succession plan.

The club needs to clean out a few more idiots running the show and then look for the best possible option for head coach, a complete fresh start.

The issue with Carr is he's not interested in leaving Adelaide,so in reality he's now ok with just having a job,which is an assistant coach,much like what happened with chad after coaching the magpies, he's happy just being employed.

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[Chewy316]

Nope,he's stated at least twice that I've heard and prob more that there's no succession plan

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Do you think he would say there's a succession plan if there was one that was yet to be publicly announced?

 

[JimmyBC]

Do you think he would say there's a succession plan if there was one that was yet to be publicly announced?

I gotta say he doesn't strike me as the accepting of a succession plan type of personality.

 

[El_Scorcho]

Might start an open facebook event called something like "Boo Ken Hinkley in round 1" once we have the fixture announced.

 

[El_Scorcho]

I gotta say he doesn't strike me as the accepting of a succession plan type of personality.

He'll just do what he and the club always do. He'll vaguely seem supportive of a succession plan so the people trying to knife him shut up, but when it comes down to it he'll refuse, say he never agreed and he feels energised to go on.

They kick the can down the road to take the pressure off all the time. How many times has this board been basically certain he's going?

 

[rogerjames]

Yep, it's another "actually i'm smarter than you idiot supporters" moment. The club have had plenty of them over the last decade, whether it's Dixon, Richardson or Koch.

We get those moments from Koch at every AGM. And yet he is the one who continually demonstrates his lack of knowledge & understanding of football. And he continually backs a coach that many of us knew, quite some time ago, did not have the capacity to win anything of importance.

 

[PowerBaz]

Do you think he would say there's a succession plan if there was one that was yet to be publicly announced?

That's because he keeps thinking he can keep snagging 2 year deals. He may of verbally agreed to the 'idea'. But if they don't announce anything pre-season it's open slather if you ask me, Ken is in this for Ken.

Guess his luck will run out eventually, which is the sad reality of PAFC these days. Whilst it's all 'OK' they do nothing.

 

[El_Scorcho]

That's because he keeps thinking he can keep snagging 2 year deals. He may of verbally agreed to the 'idea'. But if they don't announce anything pre-season it's open slather if you ask me, Ken is in this for Ken.

Guess his luck will run out eventually, which is the sad reality of PAFC these days. Whilst it's all 'OK' they do nothing.

Yep, think of the lowest bar you can imagine that he could have to cross to get an extension.

Koch is at that point or slightly lower.

Again, for Hinkley to be out for 2026, Koch and Richardson have to stay strong for the entire season. They only need one moment of weakness and that extension is signed, and we've all seen how weak they are on this issue.

 

[Chewy316]

That's because he keeps thinking he can keep snagging 2 year deals. He may of verbally agreed to the 'idea'. But if they don't announce anything pre-season it's open slather if you ask me, Ken is in this for Ken.

Guess his luck will run out eventually, which is the sad reality of PAFC these days. Whilst it's all 'OK' they do nothing.

If there's nothing announced in terms of a succession plan by the start of the season you are completely correct.

I'll be surprised if we get to round 1 and nothing has happened, but you can never be certain with this regime. I actually think if nothing has been announced by Christmas that they will roll with the uncertainty into the season.

 

[PowerBaz]

If there's nothing announced in terms of a succession plan by the start of the season you are completely correct.

I'll be surprised if we get to round 1 and nothing has happened, but you can never be certain with this regime. I actually think if nothing has been announced by Christmas that they will roll with the uncertainty into the season.

I don't think it's uncertainty at all, it will roll on as per normal.

 

[Andre]

We aren't getting a succession plan announced. The Ken happy clappers are 'Who are you going to get!!?!?'. If it's out there as 'Josh Carr

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popular 2004 Premiership player', then even many of their lizard brains will go with Carr when the 'White Noise' agitate for an early handover. Ken knows this, Richo knows this, Davies knows this. Koch would be oblivious but will follow their lead.

As others have said it'll be oblique references to a plan, without mentioning it explicitly. Just enough for them (to think they've) placate the agitators, whilst the shitshow rolls on.

 

[dirty2]

Wake me when this is all over.

 

[bomberclifford]

There won't be an announcement because there's nothing to announce.

Ken's the coach for 2025.
If Ken win's a flag in 2025, he'll be coach in 2026.
If Ken makes a prelim in 2025, he'll be coach in 2026.
If Ken makes a semi (lol) in 2025, he might still have done enough to be coach in 2026.

If it's anything less, then it becomes more likely Carr will be our coach in 2026.

That's it. That's our succession 'plan'.


Why announce something that locks you in?
They wouldn't be that stupid.

 

[Launchpad McQuack]

There won't be an announcement because there's nothing to announce.

Ken's the coach for 2025.
If Ken win's a flag in 2025, he'll be coach in 2026.
If Ken makes a prelim in 2025, he'll be coach in 2026.
If Ken makes a semi (lol) in 2025, he might still have done enough to be coach in 2026.

If it's anything less, then it becomes more likely Carr will be our coach in 2026.

That's it. That's our succession 'plan'.


Why announce something that locks you in?
They wouldn't be that stupid.

They were stupid enough to lock in an extension before any real test which has now has l put us in a position where the club is unwilling, at least partially from a financial view, to part ways. Surprising after Koch's previous pin-wheeling about us absolutely being in a position to sack if they wanted to.

 

[simba_]

all we can hope for is the manufactured health scare / mental health sob story. saying he's stepping down due to the heavy toll and blaming us for being so harsh is the only narrative I can see working.

 

[Willsy10]

Obviously there were times between 2016 and 2019 where we could've pulled the trigger too but the most obvious time to part ways was at the end of 2022.

More often than not, a coach doesn't coach through a final year of a contract, they are either sacked prior to the final year or have their contract extended prior to the season or early on in the season to avoid the distraction.

so after an abysmal 2022 after a 2 consecutive home prelim losses, and 10 years at the helm, it was time to shake hands and move on then.

It was always going to be a shit show when we decided to put an August timeline on Hinkley's contract in 2023 and then happened to win 13 in a row and be sitting in the top 2 of the ladder for a fair chunk of the season. Under that set of circumstances they had no choice but to extend his contract and it was all the clubs own doing. Either part ways at the end of 2022 or make it clear at the start of 2023 that they will not be making any decision about Hinkley until after the season is finished.

At this stage though there are 4 coaches up in the air going into 2025; Longmire, Longmuir, Beveridge and Hinkley. So we won't be the only club this time. Longmuir was extended for one season prior to round 1 last year but i doubt that happens again, they will want results in 2025 before they do anything and i expect he will be the first coach to go if Freo are shit early next year. Bevo will be in a very similar boat.

And i expect Longmire and Hinkley will have similar questions raised about succession plans all season if they don't announce anything prior to the season. Obviously Longmire, is the most likely out of the 4 to get a small extension (i would think no more than 2 years) prior to the season starting but it definitely feels like a succession plan could be brewing their too with Cox.

It felt like we were the hot topic in 2023 in the media (mainly due to that stupid August deadline) but there looks likely there will be some other big coaching stories that will unfold in 2025.

 

[Us against the rest]

Instead of shifting the goal posts at the end of the season, why doesn't big mouth Koch tell us what the club will accept as a pass mark in 2025 before the season.

This is the only way we will have some accountability, in the past we hear stuff like, GF or gone, has to win a prelim or he's finished, then finals is a pass mark. If Koch ran business in this way he would go bust.