Certified Legendary Thread Sack Hinkley 13 - Another Crack At This

[longdonkey]

it's only one player though, he could've stayed and done a knee early in season too like SPP did last year and Georgiades the year before. You are never one player away from contending or falling away.

Overall the list should be better, all our good players are entering their primes. The age and experience profile of our list is good.

I get how stale it is with Hinkley remaining as coach but the squad isn't weaker.

IMO opinion the list is considerably weaker than 12 months ago. We will be replacing 5 x first 23 players in all likelihood.

Houston
Dixon
Boak
Marshall
Narkle/Evans

That's about 20% of our first 23 and thanks to Stinkers the replacements will generally have less than 20 games experience.

It's going to be a long year but I expect it will have a happy ending.

 

[RossFC]

How is the squad weaker?

You are joking right? This was an absolutely terrible trade period. Heads should be rolling after that disaster.

 

[pstew2dstew]

IMO opinion the list is considerably weaker than 12 months ago. We will be replacing 5 x first 23 players in all likelihood.

Houston
Dixon
Boak
Marshall
Narkle/Evans

That's about 20% of our first 23 and thanks to Stinkers the replacements will generally have less than 20 games experience.

It's going to be a long year but I expect it will have a happy ending.

Hmm I wouldn't say considerably

The only one that really hurts us is Houston, hopefully Logan Evans can go on from last year and minimise the loss.

Luko I am hoping also adds something to the best.

 

[TeeKray]

The squad isn't a heck of a lot weaker but it is weaker. We've lost Houston but we do effectively gain SPP to offset that somewhat. The only other major loss is Dixon who wasn't much good but was still better than whoever is going to play there instead.

 

[longdonkey]

Hmm I wouldn't say considerably

The only one that really hurts us is Houston, hopefully Logan Evans can go on from last year and minimise the loss.

Luko I am hoping also adds something to the best.

Sorry Logan Evans isn't going to replace Houston. Before you say - I know you didn't say he would but others have said this.

Luko will be better than we expect.

Interestingly JHF has said they were running on fumes again at the end of the season. Its so Hinkley to continually replicate your mistakes.

 

[Peninsula Boy]

I'll say it once and I'll say a dozen more times that I don't think we will miss Houston that much but I seem to be on an island on that one.

 

[VineValerian]

I'll say it once and I'll say a dozen more times that I don't think we will miss Houston that much but I seem to be on an island on that one.

Maybe on a ........... peninsula

 

[Peninsula Boy]

Maybe on a ........... peninsula

And the water is rising.

 

[longdonkey]

I'll say it once and I'll say a dozen more times that I don't think we will miss Houston that much but I seem to be on an island on that one.

Yeah I think you're living on Pitcairn Island with that one.

 

[pstew2dstew]

I'll say it once and I'll say a dozen more times that I don't think we will miss Houston that much but I seem to be on an island on that one.

Houston could bob up with those clutch goals at times, and create with that penetrative accurate kick.

Thank goodness Farrell can do all of that (not in the same class yet) or we would be hurting more.

 

[Willsy10]

You are joking right? This was an absolutely terrible trade period. Heads should be rolling after that disaster.

I'm talking about the whole squad and i think you are talking about the Dan Houston trade. Yeah we lost one really good player we wanted to keep and were short changed but it doesn't make or break the whole squad.

If a whole squads strength hinges on the availability of one player we are in trouble but i don't think it is as catastrophic as some are making it out to be. Whilst we should've got more out of the trade, we might still get some good young players that can play games for us next year with draft picks we wouldn't have had if he stayed.

Every other player that has retired or delisted everyone wanted gone. I think Dixon is the biggest loss in that space but you've been calling for his head for years.

I like the additions of Lukosious and Richards more than most and with SPP due back that is 3 players that can help strengthen an area of the ground that was our greatest weakness in 2024.

Lukosious we traded a F1 for so we don't actually pay for that trade until the end of next year, so for 2025 that is a handy addition with no subtraction.

I'm not sure how else we are weaker.

 

[bomberclifford]

Lukocious > Dixon (on 2024 form and 2025 potential)
Atkins < Houston
Richards > Narkle
SPP > Evans (effectively an 'in' from 2024 to 2025)

May see drop off in Boak (negative impact from 2024 H&A), might lose Marshall (zero net impact from 2024), should see increased performance from JHF, Burgoyne, and Evans (the good one).

Good ruck depth

I guess we're potentially better.

 

[Willsy10]

IMO opinion the list is considerably weaker than 12 months ago. We will be replacing 5 x first 23 players in all likelihood.

Houston
Dixon
Boak
Marshall
Narkle/Evans

That's about 20% of our first 23 and thanks to Stinkers the replacements will generally have less than 20 games experience.

It's going to be a long year but I expect it will have a happy ending.

Lol you lose all credibility when you start listing players like Narkle and Evans as reasons the squad is weaker. But then you don't mention the additions of Lukosious and Richards.

You've then listed 2 players that are still on the list. And we didn't get much from Marshall this year anyway. So you are predicting these guys to not play but then don't mention that SPP will be back next year.

Whilst i still thought he was best 23 99% of this board were hating on Dixon and wanting him to retire for the last 2-3 seasons.

so basically it is just Houston that our whole squad strength appears to hinge on.

 

[JimmyBC]

I'll say it once and I'll say a dozen more times that I don't think we will miss Houston that much but I seem to be on an island on that one.

That island is called denial, we all visit from time to time.

 

[El_Scorcho]

We lost an dual All Australian halfback, we gained a key forward who is talented but hasn't really shown it consistently. I'd suggest he's a slightly more well rounded Todd Marshall

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without the concussion issues. Half this board would tell me that Todd Marshall

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is garbage. They're wrong, but Lukosius isn't a cure-all for our forward line and it'll rely on the coaches actually being able to utilise the players available to them.

I don't think we can claim SPP as an in when discussing list strength.

Richards barely factors in as an in. He's averaged 14 touches and 1.2 goals at VFL level, 11 touches and 0.7 goals at AFL level. And that was at a club that makes life easy for it's small forwards. We don't. We overpaid for him. He might come good but he's got 0 runs on the board.

Our list is worse. It's not massively worse but it's certainly worse.

 

[El_Scorcho]

Lukosious we traded a F1 for so we don't actually pay for that trade until the end of next year, so for 2025 that is a handy addition with no subtraction.

You can't claim an addition with no subtraction when we don't have our own 2024 pick. If you're making this argument then you also have to count the lack of our own 2024 pick as a negative for our 2025 list.

 

[JimmyBC]

We lost an dual All Australian halfback, we gained a key forward who is talented but hasn't really shown it consistently. I'd suggest he's a slightly more well rounded Todd Marshall without the concussion issues. Half this board would tell me that Todd Marshall is garbage. They're wrong, but Lukosius isn't a cure-all for our forward line and it'll rely on the coaches actually being able to utilise the players available to them.

I don't think we can claim SPP as an in when discussing list strength.

Richards barely factors in as an in. He's averaged 14 touches and 1.2 goals at VFL level, 11 touches and 0.7 goals at AFL level. And that was at a club that makes life easy for it's small forwards. We don't. We overpaid for him. He might come good but he's got 0 runs on the board.

Our list is worse. It's not massively worse but it's certainly worse.

The jury is out if he even will be a better forward than Marshall, I think the ability is there but the cold reality of the stats would probably surprise the Marshall bashers.

 

[longdonkey]

I'm talking about the whole squad and i think you are talking about the Dan Houston trade. Yeah we lost one really good player we wanted to keep and were short changed but it doesn't make or break the whole squad.

If a whole squads strength hinges on the availability of one player we are in trouble but i don't think it is as catastrophic as some are making it out to be. Whilst we should've got more out of the trade, we might still get some good young players that can play games for us next year with draft picks we wouldn't have had if he stayed.

Every other player that has retired or delisted everyone wanted gone. I think Dixon is the biggest loss in that space but you've been calling for his head for years.

I like the additions of Lukosious and Richards more than most and with SPP due back that is 3 players that can help strengthen an area of the ground that was our greatest weakness in 2024.

Lukosious we traded a F1 for so we don't actually pay for that trade until the end of next year, so for 2025 that is a handy addition with no subtraction.

I'm not sure how else we are weaker.

I don't care what team you are talking about - you take a Top 3 player out of any team and they are considerably weaker.

And for a team that is top heavy on stars and weak at the bottom end of the first 23 the loss is greater.

 

[Us against the rest]

Guess what, it wont matter, Hinkley is still the coach. If we were going into 2025 with a new coach, it would be a great discussion but we all know that Ken will do what ever it takes to keep his job, including playing injured players.

 

[JimmyBC]

Guess what, it wont matter, Hinkley is still the coach. If we were going into 2025 with a new coach, it would be a great discussion but we all know that Ken will do what ever it takes to keep his job, including playing injured players.

Ah yes and he still did it after saying they'd be smarter managing players at the start of this year.. add LIAR to his putrid CV.

 

[chiwigi]

I'm talking about the whole squad and i think you are talking about the Dan Houston trade. Yeah we lost one really good player we wanted to keep and were short changed but it doesn't make or break the whole squad.

If a whole squads strength hinges on the availability of one player we are in trouble but i don't think it is as catastrophic as some are making it out to be. Whilst we should've got more out of the trade, we might still get some good young players that can play games for us next year with draft picks we wouldn't have had if he stayed.

Every other player that has retired or delisted everyone wanted gone. I think Dixon is the biggest loss in that space but you've been calling for his head for years.

I like the additions of Lukosious and Richards more than most and with SPP due back that is 3 players that can help strengthen an area of the ground that was our greatest weakness in 2024.

Lukosious we traded a F1 for so we don't actually pay for that trade until the end of next year, so for 2025 that is a handy addition with no subtraction.

I'm not sure how else we are weaker.

That’s the problem, the plan DID rest on the quarterback. We ARE in trouble.

You might have heard some people don’t rate the coach because of this type of one dimensional weakness we are famous for.

Let’s just hope our back up QB can do the job.

 

[Duck Farmer]

In 2030 when justifying Hinkley's latest contract extension David Koch will say "look at Yze and Richmond, look at McQualter and West Coast".

Guaranteed it'll be "Look at <insert: who are ya gonna get candidate> and <insert: last remaining team who isn't Port not to make a grand final since Hinkley took over>."

 

[Willsy10]

That’s the problem, the plan DID rest on the quarterback. We ARE in trouble.

You might have heard some people don’t rate the coach because of this type of one dimensional weakness we are famous for.

Let’s just hope our back up QB can do the job.

Didn’t seem to bother us against Fremantle or the hawks, two impressive wins with a patched up defence that had to deal with the loss of Houston and Farrell with a weeks notice not a entire off season.

The coach deciding that the bog HBF from the semi needed to go back to the wing and for some reason boak kept finding himself in defence was purely and simply horrible coaching and can’t be blamed on Houston when we functioned perfectly fine without him the week before.

As bad as some of the turnovers were in defence that prelim, we actually still had enough looks inside 50 to win the game but we absolutely woeful all night with bombing it inside with no purpose. Hopefully having a different mix up forward means we throw that playbook away finally.


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[Willsy10]

You can't claim an addition with no subtraction when we don't have our own 2024 pick. If you're making this argument then you also have to count the lack of our own 2024 pick as a negative for our 2025 list.

True but I responding specifically to a post about the 2024 trade period making our list significantly weaker and heads needing to roll because of it.


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[chiwigi]

Didn’t seem to bother us against Fremantle or the hawks, two impressive wins with a patched up defence that had to deal with the loss of Houston and Farrell with a weeks notice not a entire off season.

The coach deciding that the bog HBF from the semi needed to go back to the wing and for some reason boak kept finding himself in defence was purely and simply horrible coaching and can’t be blamed on Houston when we functioned perfectly fine without him the week before.

As bad as some of the turnovers were in defence that prelim, we actually still had enough looks inside 50 to win the game but we absolutely woeful all night with bombing it inside with no purpose. Hopefully having a different mix up forward means we throw that playbook away finally.


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Yeah, ok you’re right. Houston wasn’t a key player in our game style and won’t be missed.

Who needs players like that, easily replaced.