Unofficial Preview Sack Hinkley 2: Septic Portaloo

[El_Scorcho]

I cannot see how short term or long term sacking Hinkley helps. Short term who could we possibly get as coach who would put us in a better position? Long term we would add to our nine figure debt noose.

I mean, the guy has us a chance to make finals with a young list.

Also, people who don't buy memberships out of protest have zero right to complain. We will fold. Attend the next AGM and bring razor sharp questions.

I'm not giving up my membership but what exactly will razor sharp questions achieve? Until the last week, when has this club ever publicly acknowledged in a believable way that the opinions of the members are important at all? They aren't beholden to us, we don't vote them in and ultimately with the current structure of the club, we're their customers, not their bosses.

We've been playing unacceptable football for 4-5 years. Our trajectory as a club has been horrendous and we've burned a list that absolutely could have won a flag in the era that the Bulldogs, Richmond and West Coast did. Tell Boak and Gray that we're a young list and they should just suck up being a shitfully inconsistent team in the twilight of their careers because apparently we're the only club in history to have had some young players.

Every bloody club has young players, and clubs doing much better than us have more young players than we do.

In fact, the club have FINALLY publicly acknowledged that they've done a poor job of running the club over the past half a decade. Do you know what sparked that? The impending threat of membership and attendances dropping like a lead balloon. They didn't care about poor results, they extended the coach's contract. They didn't care that we were angry about the co-captaincy, they did it anyway.

Memberships and attendances got their attention. It's not the fault of the members that it got this far before the club started paying attention.

 

[El_Scorcho]

If we make finals or win a final this year do people change their tune?

What would it take for people to change their mind on Hinkley?

I think the clubs inept communication department is more to blame than Ken.

Making finals is meaningless given we're going to do it from 12-10 at best. Not an improvement, not an achievement. We might just get lucky that 12-10 or 11-11 scrapes us into the 8 this year instead of leaving us 10th.

Of course, my mind can be changed. We could win the flag, but Hinkley would need to demonstrate something that has been miles beyond him for his entire tenure at the club. He'd need to win multiple games in a row against top 8 opposition without the customary series of shit losses in the interim.

How many opportunities does this guy need? We're in year 7. He still doesn't know how a forward line is supposed to function. He's a coach that's shown that he can't handle pressure and he can't coach his players to handle pressure. There are huge, long term tactical calamities that have gone unaddressed and the message clearly isn't getting through to the team at the moment.

 

[Powerade 08]

I think C4[2]Yo`DooR needs to bring some of us back to reality again

Also, Hinkley to Carlton. Surely.

We don’t need inside info. 1 and 2 (Voss) can’t coach and nobody wants them. Only way to move then on is a pay out.

Circus master KT has already started the PR spin because we won’t be making any changes. And it will work because football supporters are not rocket scientists.

 

[TeeKray]

Koch applies the most basic, baby's first form of public accountability for our football department and the expectation management care bears go into overdrive.

We're bad because we don't hold ourselves accountable. We judge ourselves on behaviours not results because behaviours aren't tangible and can't be measured. We don't want to be measured.

We've managed expectations to the point where lazy talking heads like Roos will go go into bat for Ken Hinkley's 53% record, but they're now feeling the squeeze because the membership and attendance numbers can't be ignored.

Superb post from you Scorchy.

 

[Lucifuge]

Brisbane had a genuinely garbage list on the back of trading away their future in the crazy Vossy years. They then lost a series of gun players who didn't want to stick around for a rebuild.

Imagine if we'd lost Boak, Hartlett and Gray when the vultures were circling like Brisbane lost Polec, Yeo and Docherty.

Brisbane improved as their list improved and are more than the sum of their parts. Since 2015, we've always been less than the sum of our parts despite making significant improvements to the list.

Brisbane will finish top 4 this year, something we haven't done since 2007.

It's not about always winning, it's about a coach making a group of players better than the sum of their parts.

This post makes no sense. First you say they had a genuinely garbage list...then you say they lost a series of gun players who didn't want to stick around for a rebuild? It can't be both.

Polec, Yeo and Docherty left at the end of 2013. That was six years ago - three years before Fagan set foot in the place in 2016. They still finished bottom four in his first two years.

Of those three, only Yeo is comparable to Boak, and he’s nowhere near Gray (who has multiple AAs and B&Fs). Polec and Docherty aren’t even in the same league as Hartlett, except maybe their injury history.

This is Brisbane's drafting and trading since that time (bolded played on the weekend):

Gardiner - Pick 22, 2013 draft (the pick we gave them for Polec - he's played every game this year)
McStay - Pick 25, 2013 draft (played every game this year)
Taylor - Pick 28, 2013 draft (the pick West Coast gave them for Yeo - he's played 5 games this year)
Cutler - Pick 33, 2013 draft (the pick Carlton gave them for Docherty - he's played 3 games this year)
Christensen - traded for Pick 21, 2014 draft
Andrews - Pick 61 (academy pick), 2014 draft (played every game this year)
Hipwood - Pick 14 (academy pick), 2015 draft (missed one game)
Keays - Pick 24, 2015 draft (played two games this year)
Adams - Pick 35, 2015 draft (played 5 games this year - was injured)
Matthieson - Pick 39, 2015 draft (played 9 games this year)
McLuggage - Pick 3, 2016 draft (missed one game)
Berry - Pick 17, 2016 draft (missed four games)
Witherden - Pick 23, 2016 draft (missed one game)
McInerney - Pick 37, 2016 Rookie Draft (missed four games)
Rayner - Pick 1, 2017 draft (played every game)
Cameron - traded for Pick 12, 2017 draft (played every game)
Bailey - Pick 15, 2017 draft (played 10 games)
Starcevich - Pick 18, 2017 draft
Neale - traded for Pick 6, 2018 draft (played every game)
Answerth - Pick 55, 2018 draft (missed five games)

And that's not including losing the 7th pick in the 2013 draft in Aish to Collingwood for Bastinac and some ridiculously low picks that should have never been seen as a fair deal; and trading for Beams with Picks 5 and 25 in 2014.

They look like a team that's exactly the sum of their parts to me.

 

[Schulzenfest]

When the club's finally had enough of Ken, Chad can be up against the wall with him.

Ken, Bassett and Chad are the big three. I don't want to see any one of them anywhere near our club ever again. Chad can come back for the premiership reunions, that's about it.

 

[El_Scorcho]

This post makes no sense. First you say they had a genuinely garbage list...then you say they lost a series of gun players who didn't want to stick around for a rebuild? It can't be both.

Uh, yes it can. Add Polec, Yeo and Docherty to the Suns current list, it's still a garbage list. A list isn't as strong as it's 5th best player, it's as strong as it's 25th best player.

Do you think Brisbane have a list more capable of finishing in the top 4 in 2019 than any Port Adelaide list over the past 7 years? Or do they just have a better coach?

 

[Lucifuge]

Uh, yes it can. Add Polec, Yeo and Docherty to the Suns current list, it's still a garbage list. A list isn't as strong as it's 5th best player, it's as strong as it's 25th best player.

Do you think Brisbane have a list more capable of finishing in the top 4 in 2019 than any Port Adelaide list over the past 7 years? Or do they just have a better coach?

If Port Adelaide in the past 7 years got to play a premiership hangover West Coast at home in R1, didn’t have to play Adelaide twice when they were actually good or travel to Perth twice when Fremantle and West Coast we’re making finals and instead got to play five sides that aren’t in the top eight as of this round as their double ups (North, Hawthorn, Gold Coast, Western Bulldogs, Port)...sure.

In fact, if you gave us Brisbane’s fixture this year, and gave them ours (swap Gold Coast for Adelaide, swap Richmond for Hawthorn, swap Fremantle for the Bulldogs, have Brisbane play West Coast in Perth), they wouldn’t be even close to finishing top four.

They played Port Adelaide (finished 10th in 2018 and currently 9th - won 2), North Melbourne (finished 9th in 2018 and currently 13th - won 2), Western Bulldogs (finished 13th in 2018 and currently 10th - won 1), Gold Coast (finished 18th in 2018 and currently 18th - will win 2) and Hawthorn (the weakest 4th place finish in history and who they had beaten twice the year before, currently 12th - won 2). 9 wins.

In comparison - the 2014 Port side had to play Adelaide twice (finished 10th in 2013 and 11th in 2014 - won 1), Fremantle twice (finished 3rd in 2013 and 4th in 2014 - won 1), Sydney twice (finished 4th in 2013 and 1st in 2014 - lost 2), Melbourne twice (finished 17th in 2013 and 17th in 2014 - won 2) and Carlton twice (finished 8th in 2013 and 13th in 2014 - won 2). 6 wins.

Then in 2015, we had to play Sydney twice (finished 4th - lost 2), Hawthorn twice (finished 3rd - won 2), Fremantle twice (finished 1st - won 1), Adelaide twice (finished 7th - won 1) and the Bulldogs twice (finished 6th - won 1). 5 wins.

2016 the AFL decided to give us GWS (finished 11th in 2015 and 4th in 2016 - lost 2), Adelaide (finished 6th in 2015 and 5th in 2016 - lost 2), Melbourne (finished 13th in 2015 and 11th in 2016 - won 1), Brisbane (17th in 2015 and 17th in 2016 - won 2) and Richmond (5th in 2015 and 13th in 2016 - won 2). 5 wins.

2017, it was the same story. Had to play Adelaide (5th in 2016, 1st in 2017 - lost 2), West Coast (6th in 2016, 8th in 2017 - won 1), Brisbane (17th in 2016, 18th in 2017 - won 2), Gold Coast (15th in 2016, 17th in 2017 - won 2) and Collingwood (12th in 2016, 13th in 2017 - won 2). 7 wins...which is only good enough for 5th.

You get the picture. 2018s double ups of Essendon (7th in 2017, finished 11th - lost 2), West Coast (8th in 2017, finished 2nd - lost 2), Adelaide (1st in 2017, finished 12th in 2018 - won 1), Fremantle (14th in 2017, finished 14th - won 1) and Bulldogs (10th in 2017, finished 13th - won 2) was a poor return of 4 wins for the opponents we were playing.

Lastly, this year. Adelaide (12th last year, currently 8th - won 1), Brisbane (15th last year, currently 3rd - lost 2), Fremantle (14th last year, currently 11th - lost 1), North Melbourne (9th last year, currently 13th - won 1) and Richmond (1st last year, currently 4th).



Tl;dr

Without fail you can guarantee the AFL will give us at least one team that will finish top four as a double up, no matter where we finish on the ladder or how good Adelaide is.

2014, it was Fremantle and Sydney.
2015, it was Fremantle, Sydney and Hawthorn (with Adelaide and the Dogs making the eight).
2016, it was GWS (with Adelaide making the eight).
2017, it was Adelaide (with West Coast making the eight).
2018, it was West Coast.
2019, it will be Brisbane and Richmond.

Brisbane 2019 - not one double up against a finals team as of R20. Maybe Port if we scrape into finals. They are a Hawthorn 2018 style top four team.

 

[Jason K]

If Port Adelaide in the past 7 years got to play a premiership hangover West Coast at home in R1, didn’t have to play Adelaide twice when they were actually good or travel to Perth twice when Fremantle and West Coast we’re making finals and instead got to play five sides that aren’t in the top eight as of this round as their double ups (North, Hawthorn, Gold Coast, Western Bulldogs, Port)...sure.

In fact, if you gave us Brisbane’s fixture this year, and gave them ours (swap Gold Coast for Adelaide, swap Richmond for Hawthorn, swap Fremantle for the Bulldogs, have Brisbane play West Coast in Perth), they wouldn’t be even close to finishing top four.

They played Port Adelaide (finished 10th in 2018 and currently 9th - won 2), North Melbourne (finished 9th in 2018 and currently 13th - won 2), Western Bulldogs (finished 13th in 2018 and currently 10th - won 1), Gold Coast (finished 18th in 2018 and currently 18th - will win 2) and Hawthorn (the weakest 4th place finish in history and who they had beaten twice the year before, currently 12th - won 2). 9 wins.

In comparison - the 2014 Port side had to play Adelaide twice (finished 10th in 2013 and 11th in 2014 - won 1), Fremantle twice (finished 3rd in 2013 and 4th in 2014 - won 1), Sydney twice (finished 4th in 2013 and 1st in 2014 - lost 2), Melbourne twice (finished 17th in 2013 and 17th in 2014 - won 2) and Carlton twice (finished 8th in 2013 and 13th in 2014 - won 2). 6 wins.

Then in 2015, we had to play Sydney twice (finished 4th - lost 2), Hawthorn twice (finished 3rd - won 2), Fremantle twice (finished 1st - won 1), Adelaide twice (finished 7th - won 1) and the Bulldogs twice (finished 6th - won 1). 5 wins.

2016 the AFL decided to give us GWS (finished 11th in 2015 and 4th in 2016 - lost 2), Adelaide (finished 6th in 2015 and 5th in 2016 - lost 2), Melbourne (finished 13th in 2015 and 11th in 2016 - won 1), Brisbane (17th in 2015 and 17th in 2016 - won 2) and Richmond (5th in 2015 and 13th in 2016 - won 2). 5 wins.

2017, it was the same story. Had to play Adelaide (5th in 2016, 1st in 2017 - lost 2), West Coast (6th in 2016, 8th in 2017 - won 1), Brisbane (17th in 2016, 18th in 2017 - won 2), Gold Coast (15th in 2016, 17th in 2017 - won 2) and Collingwood (12th in 2016, 13th in 2017 - won 2). 7 wins...which is only good enough for 5th.

You get the picture. 2018s double ups of Essendon (7th in 2017, finished 11th - lost 2), West Coast (8th in 2017, finished 2nd - lost 2), Adelaide (1st in 2017, finished 12th in 2018 - won 1), Fremantle (14th in 2017, finished 14th - won 1) and Bulldogs (10th in 2017, finished 13th - won 2) was a poor return of 4 wins for the opponents we were playing.

Lastly, this year. Adelaide (12th last year, currently 8th - won 1), Brisbane (15th last year, currently 3rd - lost 2), Fremantle (14th last year, currently 11th - lost 1), North Melbourne (9th last year, currently 13th - won 1) and Richmond (1st last year, currently 4th).



Tl;dr

Without fail you can guarantee the AFL will give us at least one team that will finish top four as a double up, no matter where we finish on the ladder or how good Adelaide is.

2014, it was Fremantle and Sydney.
2015, it was Fremantle, Sydney and Hawthorn (with Adelaide and the Dogs making the eight).
2016, it was GWS (with Adelaide making the eight).
2017, it was Adelaide (with West Coast making the eight).
2018, it was West Coast.
2019, it will be Brisbane and Richmond.

Brisbane 2019 - not one double up against a finals team as of R20. Maybe Port if we scrape into finals. They are a Hawthorn 2018 style top four team.

If you can't see what Brisbane is doing right that we can't, you just don't want to see it. You are the definition of a happy clapper.

Brisbane are playing with a confidence and belief that we have never seen from a Hinkley coached Port. They deserve to be where they are.

 

[Steve Dore]

I don't give a rat's arse what Brisbane are doing or what their list profile is. Let Brisbane supporters worry about that.

Hinkley has been a mediocre coach from 2015 - 2019 and there is nothing to suggest that 2020 - 2021 will be any different.

Sack him.

 

[Tredz]

If you can't see what Brisbane is doing right that we can't, you just don't want to see it. You are the definition of a happy clapper.

Brisbane are playing with a confidence and belief that we have never seen from a Hinkley coached Port. They deserve to be where they are.

With the exception of Hinkleys first 2 years (the "why not us" years) I'd say you're right.

Confidence is an interesting force multiplier - with it a person can perform extraordinary feats, but without it the simplest tasks can appear insurmountable. Ken, for whatever reason, just doesn't seem to be able to instill belief and confidence in the players. Instead of hearing reasons why they CAN win games, make finals, win a premiership etc all we seem to be subjected to from Ken (and backed up by Koch) is a litany of reasons like "we're not good enough", "it's a tough competition", "someone has to lose", "we're a little battler suburban club" and bizarre reasons for dropping players etc. To be fair we don't hear what goes on behind closed doors but surely the players hear what is said in public and of course then doubt themselves and their abilities. Ken should be doing everything possible to instill in these players a belief that they can run thru brick walls, walk on water, kick every goal, win every game and win the premiership every single year. An ability to build confidence - that is the quality that defines great coaches.

 

[King_Tredrea]

If Port Adelaide in the past 7 years got to play a premiership hangover West Coast at home in R1, didn’t have to play Adelaide twice when they were actually good or travel to Perth twice when Fremantle and West Coast we’re making finals and instead got to play five sides that aren’t in the top eight as of this round as their double ups (North, Hawthorn, Gold Coast, Western Bulldogs, Port)...sure.

In fact, if you gave us Brisbane’s fixture this year, and gave them ours (swap Gold Coast for Adelaide, swap Richmond for Hawthorn, swap Fremantle for the Bulldogs, have Brisbane play West Coast in Perth), they wouldn’t be even close to finishing top four.

They played Port Adelaide (finished 10th in 2018 and currently 9th - won 2), North Melbourne (finished 9th in 2018 and currently 13th - won 2), Western Bulldogs (finished 13th in 2018 and currently 10th - won 1), Gold Coast (finished 18th in 2018 and currently 18th - will win 2) and Hawthorn (the weakest 4th place finish in history and who they had beaten twice the year before, currently 12th - won 2). 9 wins.

In comparison - the 2014 Port side had to play Adelaide twice (finished 10th in 2013 and 11th in 2014 - won 1), Fremantle twice (finished 3rd in 2013 and 4th in 2014 - won 1), Sydney twice (finished 4th in 2013 and 1st in 2014 - lost 2), Melbourne twice (finished 17th in 2013 and 17th in 2014 - won 2) and Carlton twice (finished 8th in 2013 and 13th in 2014 - won 2). 6 wins.

Then in 2015, we had to play Sydney twice (finished 4th - lost 2), Hawthorn twice (finished 3rd - won 2), Fremantle twice (finished 1st - won 1), Adelaide twice (finished 7th - won 1) and the Bulldogs twice (finished 6th - won 1). 5 wins.

2016 the AFL decided to give us GWS (finished 11th in 2015 and 4th in 2016 - lost 2), Adelaide (finished 6th in 2015 and 5th in 2016 - lost 2), Melbourne (finished 13th in 2015 and 11th in 2016 - won 1), Brisbane (17th in 2015 and 17th in 2016 - won 2) and Richmond (5th in 2015 and 13th in 2016 - won 2). 5 wins.

2017, it was the same story. Had to play Adelaide (5th in 2016, 1st in 2017 - lost 2), West Coast (6th in 2016, 8th in 2017 - won 1), Brisbane (17th in 2016, 18th in 2017 - won 2), Gold Coast (15th in 2016, 17th in 2017 - won 2) and Collingwood (12th in 2016, 13th in 2017 - won 2). 7 wins...which is only good enough for 5th.

You get the picture. 2018s double ups of Essendon (7th in 2017, finished 11th - lost 2), West Coast (8th in 2017, finished 2nd - lost 2), Adelaide (1st in 2017, finished 12th in 2018 - won 1), Fremantle (14th in 2017, finished 14th - won 1) and Bulldogs (10th in 2017, finished 13th - won 2) was a poor return of 4 wins for the opponents we were playing.

Lastly, this year. Adelaide (12th last year, currently 8th - won 1), Brisbane (15th last year, currently 3rd - lost 2), Fremantle (14th last year, currently 11th - lost 1), North Melbourne (9th last year, currently 13th - won 1) and Richmond (1st last year, currently 4th).



Tl;dr

Without fail you can guarantee the AFL will give us at least one team that will finish top four as a double up, no matter where we finish on the ladder or how good Adelaide is.

2014, it was Fremantle and Sydney.
2015, it was Fremantle, Sydney and Hawthorn (with Adelaide and the Dogs making the eight).
2016, it was GWS (with Adelaide making the eight).
2017, it was Adelaide (with West Coast making the eight).
2018, it was West Coast.
2019, it will be Brisbane and Richmond.

Brisbane 2019 - not one double up against a finals team as of R20. Maybe Port if we scrape into finals. They are a Hawthorn 2018 style top four team.

Wow. This is some A-Grade delusion right here.

 

[Papa G]

Wow. This is some A-Grade delusion right here.

Lol Janus. The Brisbane fixture swap is stupid. Swap Richmond with Hawthorn. Swap Bulldogs with Freo. What??? We lost to all 4 of them.

 

[Sleezy]

Lol Janus. The Brisbane fixture swap is stupid. Swap Richmond with Hawthorn. Swap Bulldogs with Freo. What??? We lost to all 4 of them.

And we did get premiership hangover west coast. We beat them by 50 at their home.

 

[Steve Dore]

To summarise the defence's case for the jury, if we didn't have to play the team's that beat us we'd win the flag under Hinkley.

 

[Us against the rest]

Sack him.

 

[Amarula]

I liked your Janus avatar much more.

 

[TeeKray]

To summarise the defence's case for the jury, if we didn't have to play the team's that beat us we'd win the flag under Hinkley.

If the AFL scheduled us to play the Gold Coast SUNS 22 times, we'd be minor premiers.

 

[1954]

When the club's finally had enough of Ken, Chad can be up against the wall with him.

I have a feeling the Chadster has a bit of the Penny Wongs about him, and for the sake of his own job preservation he will fall in behind whoever wins the day.

 

[Tredz]

If the AFL scheduled us to play the Gold Coast SUNS 22 times, we'd be minor premiers.

Ken says: "Hold my Coke"

 

[GoPorts]

If Port Adelaide in the past 7 years got to play a premiership hangover West Coast at home in R1, didn’t have to play Adelaide twice when they were actually good or travel to Perth twice when Fremantle and West Coast we’re making finals and instead got to play five sides that aren’t in the top eight as of this round as their double ups (North, Hawthorn, Gold Coast, Western Bulldogs, Port)...sure.

In fact, if you gave us Brisbane’s fixture this year, and gave them ours (swap Gold Coast for Adelaide, swap Richmond for Hawthorn, swap Fremantle for the Bulldogs, have Brisbane play West Coast in Perth), they wouldn’t be even close to finishing top four.

They played Port Adelaide (finished 10th in 2018 and currently 9th - won 2), North Melbourne (finished 9th in 2018 and currently 13th - won 2), Western Bulldogs (finished 13th in 2018 and currently 10th - won 1), Gold Coast (finished 18th in 2018 and currently 18th - will win 2) and Hawthorn (the weakest 4th place finish in history and who they had beaten twice the year before, currently 12th - won 2). 9 wins.

In comparison - the 2014 Port side had to play Adelaide twice (finished 10th in 2013 and 11th in 2014 - won 1), Fremantle twice (finished 3rd in 2013 and 4th in 2014 - won 1), Sydney twice (finished 4th in 2013 and 1st in 2014 - lost 2), Melbourne twice (finished 17th in 2013 and 17th in 2014 - won 2) and Carlton twice (finished 8th in 2013 and 13th in 2014 - won 2). 6 wins.

Then in 2015, we had to play Sydney twice (finished 4th - lost 2), Hawthorn twice (finished 3rd - won 2), Fremantle twice (finished 1st - won 1), Adelaide twice (finished 7th - won 1) and the Bulldogs twice (finished 6th - won 1). 5 wins.

2016 the AFL decided to give us GWS (finished 11th in 2015 and 4th in 2016 - lost 2), Adelaide (finished 6th in 2015 and 5th in 2016 - lost 2), Melbourne (finished 13th in 2015 and 11th in 2016 - won 1), Brisbane (17th in 2015 and 17th in 2016 - won 2) and Richmond (5th in 2015 and 13th in 2016 - won 2). 5 wins.

2017, it was the same story. Had to play Adelaide (5th in 2016, 1st in 2017 - lost 2), West Coast (6th in 2016, 8th in 2017 - won 1), Brisbane (17th in 2016, 18th in 2017 - won 2), Gold Coast (15th in 2016, 17th in 2017 - won 2) and Collingwood (12th in 2016, 13th in 2017 - won 2). 7 wins...which is only good enough for 5th.

You get the picture. 2018s double ups of Essendon (7th in 2017, finished 11th - lost 2), West Coast (8th in 2017, finished 2nd - lost 2), Adelaide (1st in 2017, finished 12th in 2018 - won 1), Fremantle (14th in 2017, finished 14th - won 1) and Bulldogs (10th in 2017, finished 13th - won 2) was a poor return of 4 wins for the opponents we were playing.

Lastly, this year. Adelaide (12th last year, currently 8th - won 1), Brisbane (15th last year, currently 3rd - lost 2), Fremantle (14th last year, currently 11th - lost 1), North Melbourne (9th last year, currently 13th - won 1) and Richmond (1st last year, currently 4th).



Tl;dr

Without fail you can guarantee the AFL will give us at least one team that will finish top four as a double up, no matter where we finish on the ladder or how good Adelaide is.

2014, it was Fremantle and Sydney.
2015, it was Fremantle, Sydney and Hawthorn (with Adelaide and the Dogs making the eight).
2016, it was GWS (with Adelaide making the eight).
2017, it was Adelaide (with West Coast making the eight).
2018, it was West Coast.
2019, it will be Brisbane and Richmond.

Brisbane 2019 - not one double up against a finals team as of R20. Maybe Port if we scrape into finals. They are a Hawthorn 2018 style top four team.

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[manureid]

Whats this about Lycett and the coach getting in a physical altercation after he was dropped? BS or some truth?

 

[chiwigi]

If we make finals or win a final this year do people change their tune?

What would it take for people to change their mind on Hinkley?

I think the clubs inept communication department is more to blame than Ken.

Win 2 finals this year.
Making finals should have already happened, he can redeem it by playing well during them.

If he does I'm happy to see him have one last go.

 

[chiwigi]

Whats this about Lycett and the coach getting in a physical altercation after he was dropped? BS or some truth?

Bullshit, it is the Josh Jenkins story rehashed to Port.

 

[Del165198]

Whats this about Lycett and the coach getting in a physical altercation after he was dropped? BS or some truth?

lol that would be hilarious
im picturing lycett as thunderlips from rocky, lifting ken over his head while voss jumps on his back and hangs off his neck