Opinion Sack Hinkley 3 - 2021 is worse than 2020 already

[Tibbs]

One of the major Hinkley failures not mentioned above, is the moving of Boak out the mid-field. Derailed the team for two years IMO.

I nearly exploded when Kane Cornes congratulated Hinkley for moving Boak BACK to the midfield!!!

 

[Chewy316]

One of the major Hinkley failures not mentioned above, is the moving of Boak out the mid-field. Derailed the team for two years IMO.

I nearly exploded when Kane Cornes congratulated Hinkley for moving Boak BACK to the midfield!!!

I certainly would like to know whose idea it was to move Boak out of the middle.

At the same time, playing across half forward has meant he hasn't had to do as much in and under work for a few years, which probably means he's a bit fresher than he would be otherwise.

Regardless, I'm judt glad Boak is back in the middle playing like a champion that we all know he is.

I disagree that Boak across half forward was the sole reason we struggled for a few years. Our midfield was dominant in 2017 and we have controlled the front half territory battle the next 3 or 4 years. Our main issue has always been the inability to convert inside 50 into quality scoring opportunities. The quicker ball movement and the distribution of the inside 50s to the top of the goal square rather than deep in a pocket has been the two biggest noticeable strategical improvements.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

One of the major Hinkley failures not mentioned above, is the moving of Boak out the mid-field. Derailed the team for two years IMO.

I nearly exploded when Kane Cornes congratulated Hinkley for moving Boak BACK to the midfield!!!

I mentioned it in the Renaissance of Travis Boak thread, but when he was forced to do so much useless running, in that stupid high half forward position, it meant he had nothing left in the tank in the last quarter when we needed our leader to either take control of the game or win it for us in all those tight ones.

 

[Stryke]

As others have already posted, if Hinkley finally starts doing what many of us have been calling for him to do, and pretty much the opposite of what he has done for the past five wasted seasons, and it wins us a flag why would there be any need for me to apologise? Surely it is Hinkley who should be apologising.

I've been paying my membership for all those wasted seasons while he's been collecting a truck load while being completely incompetent.

If we manage to snag the premiership, someone should put this post on a banner and stick it up at Alberton.

 

[Steve Dore]

If we manage to snag the premiership, someone should put this post on a banner and stick it up at Alberton.

If we snag the premiership I want Hinkley in his acceptance speech to say "... and BigFooty, I was wrong."

 

[Tredrea_Wanganeen_Gray]

We are almost in July and we are only 1 position ahead of Gold Coast on the ladder #sackken

 

[Steve Dore]

We are almost in July and we are only 1 position ahead of Gold Coast on the ladder #sackken

We still haven't beaten a team above us on the ladder, sack Hinkley.

 

[PowerLil]

I want him gone regardless. His speech at the 2019 AGM re the co-captains proved to me he doesn't get Port Adelaide and never will.

 

[GremioPower]

The problem this board has always had is the belief that structure is necessary even if the player isn’t at the required level individually.

Would Marshall be having the season he is having without Dixon having the season he is having? And vice versa? So you’re talking about the following years:

2017 - Marshall loses his mother, rookie season. Port makes finals on a good season from Dixon

2018 - Marshall and Dixon start well, Marshall loses in father, Dixon breaks his leg

2019 - Dixon only plays half the season, Marshall has to play in a forward line with Ryder and Westhoff

This is literally the first year that both Dixon and Marshall have been able to play together without any setbacks. I guaranteed that Hinkley would play Dixon and Marshall together all year...the question was whether or not he’d play Georgiades as well, and he did for the first game.

Guys like Frampton weren’t ever going to make it. We wanted to play Howard forward and he didn’t want to do that.

We improve our list every year, and since Hinkley is one of three people on the list management committee, he is responsible for that.

Inconvenient truths.

But you know what? I couldn’t care less about any of it. All I want is for Port Adelaide to win the flag, playing the style of football that I know they are capable of - relentless pressure, team defence that wins the ball in a counter pressing mindset (push up the ground if you can make an impact, get back into position if you can’t) and fast, methodical premiership quality ball movement.

No one has to eat humble pie. Conversely, no one should be a dick at 4-0.

It’s just a game.

Precisely. We would change EVERYTHING because we didn't have Dixon, Ryder, or both; instead of keeping everything else as it was and replacing like for like.

Then, we would wonder why everyone was looking lost on the field.

Or this:

The problem with not replacing like for like is that you not only have an inferior key forward with Dixon/Marshall out, but everyone else has to change their role and how they play it to fit into a different system.

This is especially apparent in our ball movement which has been haphazard at best for years, because we change up how we do things too often. Flag winning teams become well oiled machines that trust each other because they know everyone knows their role and will execute it.

Frampton wasn't fit to tie a fit and firing Dixon's shoelaces, but playing him in Dixon's role at least would have allowed everyone else to go about their business in the same way. Instead we completely changed our forward strategy. Change like for like, build trust in the game plan and results will follow.

 

[melanChronic]

It will be interesting if Hinkley can maintain this new found structure when we come up against this Victorian Dross football.

 

[Us against the rest]

It looks to me that the coaching of Montgomery and Schofield are starting to show on the ground, i hope ken is learning from these two.

Sack Hinkley.

 

[gbear]

It looks to me that the coaching of Montgomery and Schofield are starting to show on the ground, i hope ken is learning from these two.

Sack Hinkley.

Ken is now just the coaching face of Port Adelaide. The assistants are the one’s who have driven the dramatic turn around on the field.

 

[Stryke]

Ken is now just the coaching face of Port Adelaide. The assistants are the one’s who have driven the dramatic turn around on the field.

I think that's unfair to a degree. He gets the blame when it goes wrong but I am also happy to give him the credit when it goes right. This doesn't absolve the past half decade of mediocrity, but if he has improved that is great since we are likely be ride or die until at least 2022. Listening to good advice is a strength of a competent leader.

 

[Enviable Tradition]

Yep.

There is nothing wrong with having a good manager with great coaches underneath him.

In fact that is probably the ideal model.

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[PowerLil]

I think that's unfair to a degree. He gets the blame when it goes wrong but I am also happy to give him the credit when it goes right. This doesn't absolve the past half decade of mediocrity, but if he has improved that is great since we are likely be ride or die until at least 2022. Listening to good advice is a strength of a competent leader.

No disrespect but he's in his 8th year as coach and now he starts listening? No thanks.

 

[Duck Farmer]

I want him gone regardless. His speech at the 2019 AGM re the co-captains proved to me he doesn't get Port Adelaide and never will.

How the people in charge and who should know better swallowed that "co-captains give us a better chance of winning" bullshit is beyond belief.

 

[Butters Made Me Do It]

Yep.

There is nothing wrong with having a good manager with great coaches underneath him.

In fact that is probably the ideal model.

yeah worked great for us with choco and clarkson

 

[FPPF]

No disrespect but he's in his 8th year as coach and now he starts listening? No thanks.

To be fair, we don't know what advice he's being given that he has or hasn't been listening to.
The buck ultimately stops with him of course and that's why many want him gone.

If we win the flag this year, and it sets us on a sustained path of higher achievement and success where we bring in another flag or two after that in the next few years, while playing deep into the finals every year, I think most reasonable people would be happy to see him stay, perhaps though on 1 year contract extensions only instead of long term deals. I mean if it's working, if somethings clicked finally, why **** with it?

Not that I'm expecting it will happen, but I'd rather we win a flag or a few and play deep into finals year in year out then not.

 

[Power Raid]

I want him gone regardless. His speech at the 2019 AGM re the co-captains proved to me he doesn't get Port Adelaide and never will.

having someone to hold hands with, when tossing the coin, is comforting though

 

[chickentendies]

Remember that time we were 11-4 and missed finals

lol

 

[GremioPower]

Ken is now just the coaching face of Port Adelaide. The assistants are the one’s who have driven the dramatic turn around on the field.

Not really. Remember that we usually have a good start under Hinkley. It's usually after R6 that the wheels fall off. It is when injuries begin to affect the side, and we need to rely on our depth.

The difference now is Georgiades and Ladhams. If Dixon and/or Lycett are out, we won't probably change our structure because Hinkley mistrusts the back-up talls.

 

[sobrave]

Not really. Remember that we usually have a good start under Hinkley. It's usually after R6 that the wheels fall off. It is when injuries begin to affect the side, and we need to rely on our depth.

The difference now is Georgiades and Ladhams. If Dixon and/or Lycett are out, we won't probably change our structure because Hinkley mistrusts the back-up talls.

Out: C Dixon (inj)
In: C Sutcliffe

 

[Enviable Tradition]

No disrespect but he's in his 8th year as coach and now he starts listening? No thanks.

The first 7 years are a sunk cost.

All we should be focusing on now is what he can do going forward.

Past behaviour is the best predictor of future behaviour so it still counts but if Ken has genuinely changed his ways and takes us to a flag we would be mad to sack a premiership coach because of how he used to be (as some on here have suggested).

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[Enviable Tradition]

yeah worked great for us with choco and clarkson

I'd say Choco was a great coach and an average manager.

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[El_Scorcho]

yeah worked great for us with choco and clarkson

Choco and Walsh, Hinkley and Walsh.

My argument against this theory is that there's not a great body of evidence to suggest Hinkley is a great manager of men or a coaching dept. The players love him but they've also spent 5 years as mentally soft, devoid of leadership and unable to deal with expectation.