Saints - window officially shut

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Monday Sunday Saturday Friday is similar to Saturday Saturday Saturday Friday?

I guess they rhyme.

Over a month of games Richmond had two extra days break, and that is due to StKildas request for a monday fixture.

 

[Pevers-Legend]

Okay, maybe a Monday night game has to be followed by a six day break - that's absolutely fine. BUT, they don't have to send us to Perth; they don't have to give us another six day break the following week and they don't have to give us a third consecutive six day break either!

That's fair enough to complain about and I understand why we getso upset about it.

Personally I don't think it had any bearing on the match except we were run off our feet down back, but that was more to do with the physicality of the match rather than restricted rest periods.

The same thing happened in 2006 and like this we damn near won all four games. We finished four points shy of port at aami in round four on Monday night; lost by a point to Freo and had our chances to LEGITIMATELY steal the game the following Sunday; bounced back to beat the bulldogs the following saturday and had a shot at goal ten metres out with five minutes remaining against Geelong the following Friday. We lost those two games because of not being able to cope with a flooding style of football and some terrific football by the dockers in the first three quarters at aurora.

Same this time, beat Carlton, got to within three goals and shot at goal to bring it to less but missed against west coast sox days later; beat Sydney and actually hit the lead against Richmond but couldn't hold on. In the end, like in 2006, the two losses were not because of six day breaks or travel or anything but because of better opposition on the day.

It may have had some effect on out fitness but didn't decide if we won or loss.

I'd just like to close the book on six day breaks.

Getting back to the point, nobody is giving me an answer.

If you believe our window is truly shut, how long will it take st Kilda to get back up there?

And are we going to slide down the ladder or just hang about and become irrelevant for x amount of years.

Answers and reasons.

If you think we're cooked, why?

Hayes has one or no more seasons of elite left after this year.

Riewoldt is showing the years of pain he has played through.

You have no ruck and no defence.

You are finished as a flag threat for at least 2 years.

After that, who knows.

I really like some of the younger brigade in Simpkin, Armitage, Geary. Just need to draft and develop some class and you will bounce back.

Until then, an also ran.

 

[summers12]

To sum up the title of the thread - Lyon would not have left if he thought their was a premiership around the corner. they looked slow and old in comparison to the Richmond midfield and remember they did lose to port adelaide in round 1. says alot I think about where they are at. However they have drafted really well. Milera and Saad will get bums on seats thats for sure.

 

[Ron The Bear]

If you think we're cooked, why?

Reckon you're cooked in terms of this list winning a flag, but can still play finals this year.

Fully half of last night's team is 28yo+, in decline to varying degrees, and will need to be replaced. Add the missing Schneider and Peake. These players are the core of the side and there isn't nearly enough quality to assume their responsibilities in the next 2-3 years.

In three years the most senior players would (potentially) be: Goddard 30, Clarke 29, Wilkes 29, Ray 29, Polo 28, Gwilt 28, Milera 27, Armitage 26, Geary 26. Bleak.

And are we going to slide down the ladder or just hang about and become irrelevant for x amount of years.

Depends. A full-scale rebuild could see St.Kilda fall below GC & GWS. At this stage I think they'll opt for a half-and-half approach - trade for competent 24-26yo's while using their best picks on youth, and keeping the veterans aboard for as long as possible. Either way I expect St.Kilda will experience an extended period outside the eight - four years plus.

If you believe our window is truly shut, how long will it take st Kilda to get back up there?

Impossible to say, it all depends on how well they draft/trade/develop youth. Top four? Ballpark figure, six years.

Just my opinion, so view it for what it is. I'm just a part-time footy fan.

 

[Plugger35]

To sum up the title of the thread - Lyon would not have left if he thought their was a premiership around the corner. they looked slow and old in comparison to the Richmond midfield and remember they did lose to port adelaide in round 1. says alot I think about where they are at. However they have drafted really well. Milera and Saad will get bums on seats thats for sure.

Our midfield was way down on their usual energy and run last night, the three consecutive 6 day breaks including a trip to Perth to play West Coast in 26 degree heat had taken their toll.

It wasn't just due to age either, Jack Steven who has been killing it this year and normally buzzes around the field like a little energizer bunny is only 22 and even he was struggling last night.

Our midfield had a lot more energy and run when we played Carlton and were coming off a 9 day break.

That just goes to show that Saints supporters complaints about the fixturing is justified, having three consecutive 6 day breaks with a trip to Perth is ridiculous scheduling and we were complaining about it before we lost to Richmond last night.

Having Collingwood supporters like Timmy telling us to stop whinging and just deal with it just makes me sick.

Collingwood never have to deal with the shit fixturing that other teams have to put up with. How many 6 day breaks do they have? Not many and they certainly don't have three 6 day breaks in a row with a trip to Perth thrown in.

Hayes has one or no more seasons of elite left after this year.

Riewoldt is showing the years of pain he has played through.

You have no ruck and no defence.

You are finished as a flag threat for at least 2 years.

After that, who knows.

I really like some of the younger brigade in Simpkin, Armitage, Geary. Just need to draft and develop some class and you will bounce back.

Until then, an also ran.

No ruck and no defence? Do you realise we're missing our best defender in Fisher and our best two ruckmen in McEvoy and Stanley?

Both Hayes and Riewoldt are coming to the end of their careers but are still going strong and are capable of having a big influence on games.

If we can get our best team on the park this year we are capable of beating anyone. I'm still confident we can make finals and do some damage if we get there.

One thing I know for sure is that St Kilda will come to play in every game and we don't get beaten easily. When was the last time you saw a St Kilda team throw in the towel and give up?

Write St Kilda off at your peril.

 

[LiterallyNobody]

Reckon you're cooked in terms of this list winning a flag, but can still play finals this year.

Fully half of last night's team is 28yo+, in decline to varying degrees, and will need to be replaced. Add the missing Schneider and Peake. These players are the core of the side and there isn't nearly enough quality to assume their responsibilities in the next 2-3 years.

In three years the most senior players would (potentially) be: Goddard 30, Clarke 29, Wilkes 29, Ray 29, Polo 28, Gwilt 28, Milera 27, Armitage 26, Geary 26. Bleak.



Depends. A full-scale rebuild could see St.Kilda fall below GC & GWS. At this stage I think they'll opt for a half-and-half approach - trade for competent 24-26yo's while using their best picks on youth, and keeping the veterans aboard for as long as possible. Either way I expect St.Kilda will experience an extended period outside the eight - four years plus.



Impossible to say, it all depends on how well they draft/trade/develop youth. Top four? Ballpark figure, six years.

Just my opinion, so view it for what it is. I'm just a part-time footy fan.

Now that, is a fair and unbiased assessment. Don't agree with everything you have written but you have made some good points and made them well.

 

[summers12]

''Having Collingwood supporters like Timmy telling us to stop whinging and just deal with it just makes me sick. Collingwood never have to deal with the shit fixturing''

Now now thats not true. 19 games a season at the MCG is not nearly enough not to mention the terrible Friday and Saturday night timeslots. And the trip interstate is a pain in the arse. Collingwood supporters should be utterly discusted with the clear bias interstate teams have in an unfair draw by playing 12 games at home. It is totally unfair. Oh how can I forget the two prime time ANZAC Day and Queens Birthday games. Absolutly disastrous fixturing.

 

[kosifantutti]

Over a month of games Richmond had two extra days break, and that is due to StKildas request for a monday fixture.

18 - 20 days is a month now?

 

[LiterallyNobody]

your midfield was down because they are old and slow
Del Santo turns 29, Hayes 32, Montagna 28.
Your all but done!

Look at Geelong, we now see Corey and Chapman pushed aside while Christensen, Stringer and Taylor Hunt all play more minutes in the middle.
Next year we will have Travis Boak and with he and Selwood the main two guys, we again have the strength needed in the middle of the park.

What is Waters doing over there?

Are you going to rebuild or continue to play these old timers until they continually to lose you must win games?

a) Yeah but you played the ****ing Giants. of COURSE you could afford to rest players. Don't give me any of that "we did it to give our young guys a bit of a go"

b) Watters is doing a fantastic job with us. He has got us playing exciting, attacking footy and not one game this year have we given up and just gotten thrashed. We could've against West Coast, but we came back strongly. We fought hard in our other three losses and got overrun by better teams on the day (or teams that just wanted it more). Playing more youth than Lyon ever did. he's the right man for us at this time.

 

[LiterallyNobody]

your the oldest list in the competition, well over 26 almost 27 years of age the average age.

You seriously think they good enough at the wrong end of their careers to beat the youthful and more athletic players coming through?




Your a pathetic joke!

What a completely petulant and ridiculous post.

A pathetic joke with a 5-5 record and a percentage of over 110.

Oh, and that pathetic joke of a club has scored more points per game in the first ten than yours.

AND eleven other teams too!

 

[Falchoon]

a. yeah that did sound ridiculous
b. Essendon would thump the Saints at Etihad

Melbourne too.

 

[Bundy_28]

Oh, and that pathetic joke of a club has scored more points per game in the first ten than yours.

AND eleven other teams too!

always helps when you get to start the season against the weakest teams in the league

Don't worry, that % will soon start to take shape though

 

[Terror Time]

always helps when you get to start the season against the weakest teams in the league

Don't worry, that % will soon start to take shape though

Funny guy. I actually want to play the so called better teams rather then have a bye and play Gold Coast next week. Saints are going nowhere but up... suck it up

 

[Vdubs]

Both Tigers and Saints were great on Fri pm. Both could make the 8, but Saints are better equipped to go deeper in September.

 

[Roby]

Respond to my comments with an actual argument and I'll happily discuss.

They went in to the season deficient in ruck and key defence options. They were never going to win the falg anyway so its not the end of the world, but they certainly have no cover for Fisher and more importantly McEvoy.

Why?

You obviously don't even remotely have the ability to comprehend St Kilda's key positions players, imagine if you had Jolly out and then, oh wait...

 

[Partridge]

Yea yea yea, crunch is coming. I'd love to play Richmond again.

Richmond had no real bigs out. Our backline was weak, and no ruck.

I wouldn't want to rely on Jack to kick 8 goals every week either.

Ah, why worry about losing when you have excuses to call upon?

Richmond outplayed you all night, from start to finish. If it wasn't for a little luck with the umpires (how was that holding the ball NOT paid) you would have lost by more.

They were better and you and there are no excuses. Deal with it.

 

[Bundy_28]

Funny guy. I actually want to play the so called better teams rather then have a bye and play Gold Coast next week. Saints are going nowhere but up... suck it up

so in order to get back in the top 8, you need teams above to lose.

St Kilda play the Suns, Adelaide, North, Essendon, Brisbane, Sydney and the Dogs in the next 7 games which will decide their fate.
I see you winning 4 but certain losses to Adelaide, Essendon, Sydney.

Geelong play Carlton, Sydney, Port, Suns, Collingwood, Essendon and Adelaide.
I see us winning at least 5 of the next 7 and we already 1 game ahead of you now so you won't be taking our spot.

Carlton play Geelong, West Coast, Hawthorn, Collingwood, North, Dogs and Richmond.
I see them winning against North, Dogs and Richmond which means St Kilda will still only be even with them on percentage only.
Hawthorn will win at least 5 of their next 7 matches so they are also safe.

St Kilda finish outside the eight

 

[Terror Time]

You are dreaming. Once Fisher and Stanley are back in the team, we have a ruck and two tall key defenders returning (blake back in defense). With the midfield dominance, star forward line and defense led by the best AA defender around who is realistically going to beat us? I think we are a rough chance to go undefeated from here on out

 

[stfan]

Geelong play Carlton, Sydney, Port, Suns, Collingwood, Essendon and Adelaide.
I see us winning at least 5 of the next 7 and we already 1 game ahead of you now so you won't be taking our spot.

Sorry, but what aspect of your form would suggest that? You struggled to overcome GWS at Kardinia Park and all year have being getting done in contested ball.

Winner of the Saints v Cats game could well decide who makes the 8.

Teams that have bothered the Saints this year have had good rucks and very good key forwards. The Cats hold no fear for the Saints in these regards.

The Saints are now a much quicker team, whereas the Cats are slow as ever. Your slowness is a big part of why losing the contested ball is hurting you.

 

[Pie in the Sky]

''Having Collingwood supporters like Timmy telling us to stop whinging and just deal with it just makes me sick. Collingwood never have to deal with the shit fixturing''

Now now thats not true. 19 games a season at the MCG is not nearly enough not to mention the terrible Friday and Saturday night timeslots. And the trip interstate is a pain in the arse. Collingwood supporters should be utterly discusted with the clear bias interstate teams have in an unfair draw by playing 12 games at home. It is totally unfair. Oh how can I forget the two prime time ANZAC Day and Queens Birthday games. Absolutly disastrous fixturing.

19, 14, what's the difference hey?

 

[dan warna]

oh my saints are dead again. lol 35 pages of telling us the saints are terrible and woeful, often by supporters with teams in a worse position than us ><
irony much.
Doesn't really matter though, whether we are first or last, we'll saddle up every year.

 

[Coach_Hawkeye]

I'm ok with that. they may have had a great chance of winning a flag with Ben Cousins, but Dal Santo thinks he is better then Benny boy.

 

[dan warna]

I'm ok with that. they may have had a great chance of winning a flag with Ben Cousins, but Dal Santo thinks he is better then Benny boy.

I don't think st kilda could afford to keep up with Cousins medical bills, nor could we afford the potential loss in sponsorship with the negative publicity that goes with Ben.

That said we got scammed a beauty by Essendon didn't we >< lol.

 

[Bundy_28]

Sorry, but what aspect of your form would suggest that? You struggled to overcome GWS at Kardinia Park and all year have being getting done in contested ball.

Winner of the Saints v Cats game could well decide who makes the 8.

Teams that have bothered the Saints this year have had good rucks and very good key forwards. The Cats hold no fear for the Saints in these regards.

The Saints are now a much quicker team, whereas the Cats are slow as ever. Your slowness is a big part of why losing the contested ball is hurting you.

haha
what absolute crap and this is the reason why you fans are delusional


why are you a quicker team?
Because you now have two players named Saad and Milera?

Geelong got rid of Ottens and Ling, two of the slowest in the team and now we are playing Smedts, Hunt, Motlop, Stringer along with Varcoe and Wojcinski, we are faster than ever before and St Kilda are washed up goods as it showed on Friday night.

Geelong will most likely win 7 of their next 7 but I think 5 games is more realistic.

 

[LiterallyNobody]

haha
what absolute crap and this is the reason why you fans are delusional


why are you a quicker team?
Because you now have two players named Saad and Milera?

Geelong got rid of Ottens and Ling, two of the slowest in the team and now we are playing Smedts, Hunt, Motlop, Stringer along with Varcoe and Wojcinski, we are faster than ever before and St Kilda are washed up goods as it showed on Friday night.

Geelong will most likely win 7 of their next 7 but I think 5 games is more realistic.

Im not saying anymore than you clearly are so one di-****ing-mensional that you haven't watched saints played at all this year.