Mega Thread Senior Coach Discussion - Neeld v the alternatives

[maxmustard]

Fixed for you. lmao

My bad man, bloody auto correct

 

[brock sylvia]

If you want a big reason on why Neeld is not a successful coach, watch the video Gawn in 60 seconds with mark Neeld that features on "The Robbo Show".

He talks about how Neeld talks about takles yet in his playing days he couldnt tackle to save his life. Now I understand that it doesn't take superstars to be good coaches, however gun players have a respect of the playing group that others simply dont (Mark Neeld, Wayne Brittain, Damien Drum etc.)

I believe Neeld's time must be up, I am as die hard as you can possibly get but Melbourne are not exactly renowned for these type of supporters and I don't want to see my club die. When we go about replacing him, I beg the board to please choose someone who can command respect IMMEDIATELY over the playing group! Options are:

Brett Ratten - Been spoke on here before and not the worst idea. Has experience at Melbourne and Carlton and was a tough, well respected player in his day.

Denis Pagan - Completely out of left field and at first I thought it was outrageous from Carey, however the more I think about it the more I am coming around. Has coached a flag and he won't take any shit from anyone, also will have respect from players with his no nonsense attitude.

Neal Daniher - Been at the helm before and to be honest, we could do much worse. Was talked about on SEN in the morning today and I must say when he was at the helm I was enjoying attending the footy a lot more.

These are just a few suggestions and please don't think that is all our available options, there certainly are some good coaches out there. I would also like to get some recent champion players who would ooze leadership and respect:

Simon Black (When he retires)
Mark Ricciuto (Offer him a deal too good to refuse)
Barry Hall (See above)
David Neitz / Schwartz (Both love Melbourne and were absolute champs)

With this in mind, it is only a small step for this club to be on the right track, but it is a step that MUST be done!

 

[RedLegs#5]

If you want a big reason on why Neeld is not a successful coach, watch the video Gawn in 60 seconds with mark Neeld that features on "The Robbo Show".

He talks about how Neeld talks about takles yet in his playing days he couldnt tackle to save his life. Now I understand that it doesn't take superstars to be good coaches, however gun players have a respect of the playing group that others simply dont (Mark Neeld, Wayne Brittain, Damien Drum etc.)

I believe Neeld's time must be up, I am as die hard as you can possibly get but Melbourne are not exactly renowned for these type of supporters and I don't want to see my club die. When we go about replacing him, I beg the board to please choose someone who can command respect IMMEDIATELY over the playing group! Options are:

Brett Ratten - Been spoke on here before and not the worst idea. Has experience at Melbourne and Carlton and was a tough, well respected player in his day.

Denis Pagan - Completely out of left field and at first I thought it was outrageous from Carey, however the more I think about it the more I am coming around. Has coached a flag and he won't take any shit from anyone, also will have respect from players with his no nonsense attitude.

Neal Daniher - Been at the helm before and to be honest, we could do much worse. Was talked about on SEN in the morning today and I must say when he was at the helm I was enjoying attending the footy a lot more.

These are just a few suggestions and please don't think that is all our available options, there certainly are some good coaches out there. I would also like to get some recent champion players who would ooze leadership and respect:

Simon Black (When he retires)
Mark Ricciuto (Offer him a deal too good to refuse)
Barry Hall (See above)
David Neitz / Schwartz (Both love Melbourne and were absolute champs)

With this in mind, it is only a small step for this club to be on the right track, but it is a step that MUST be done!

Agree with wanting all the above people at Melbourne (not necessarily as senior coaches) bar Barry Hall. I wouldn't want that moron anywhere near the club. He doesn't have a brain, let alone a football brain. He was a thug who had good skills.

Add Cameron Ling to your list. I would love him down at Melbourne. We can only settle for proven and knowledgeable players/coaches now. Can't take any more serious risks (even though they may pay off).

 

[Wonaeamirri33]

Add Cameron Ling to your list. I would love him down at Melbourne. We can only settle for proven and knowledgeable players/coaches now. Can't take any more serious risks (even though they may pay off).

Well said again mate, I've often mentioned Ling in this context before, of course. And any replacement of coaching staff also has to include Royal and Rawlings. Plenty of good options out there worth chasing to replace them, and I've gone through them before, including Ling. I'd love to see Gary Ayres in charge of our backline, for example. Either Black or Ricciuto could make for a good midfield coach.

 

[RedLegs#5]

Well said again mate, I've often mentioned Ling in this context before, of course. And any replacement of coaching staff also has to include Royal and Rawlings. Plenty of good options out there worth chasing to replace them, and of course I've gone through them before, including Ling. I'd love to see Gary Ayres in charge of our backline, for example. Either Black or Ricciuto could make for a good midfield coach.

Spot on. This is where the AFL could 'help' us out. Throw an offer at some of these people. I keep repeating, for any person apart of re-building this club, the rewards are legendary.

 

[wowlace]

We need a coaching dream team by the looks of it.

 

[d33my]

When's the last time a coach came back to the same club after an extended time away (i.e. if Daniher came back)

Not that I think it will ever happen...just curious.

 

[Dory_77]

When's the last time a coach came back to the same club after an extended time away (i.e. if Daniher came back)

Not that I think it will ever happen...just curious.

Didn't Parkin have 2 stints at Carlton? Once in the 80's, another in the 90's?

 

[00Stinger]

Ratten- Senior coach
Ling- midfield coach

 

[RandB]

Ratten- Senior coach
Ling- midfield coach

Can't imagine Ling ever leaving the media mate unless it was for his beloved Cats.

Not that I'm interested personally but has anyone mentioned Mark Harvey?

 

[00Stinger]

Can't imagine Ling ever leaving the media mate unless it was for his beloved Cats.

Not that I'm interested personally but has anyone mentioned Mark Harvey?

I find that he never hides the fact that he wants to get into coaching at some stage

 

[RandB]

I find that he never hides the fact that he wants to get into coaching at some stage

Fair enough, must have read him differently. No doubt he'd make a great assistant coach.

 

[The Dr]

Woewodin as assistant? Just throwing it out there...

 

[ExTasDeeMan]

Woewodin as assistant? Just throwing it out there...

I'm down with that - he'd be good for the mids at least. I would love a Melbourne culture that would encourage players to become coaches and go through the system.

 

[Viney]

What I would like is a coach who innovates

When was the last time we had a coach who innovated instead of just mimicking the previous years premiers game plan (or at least recent premiers)?

 

[ExTasDeeMan]

What I would like is a coach who innovates

When was the last time we had a coach who innovated instead of just mimicking the previous years premiers game plan (or at least recent premiers)?

Bailey, but we got fined 500k for the pleasure

 

[Viney]

Bailey, but we got fined 500k for the pleasure

But he wasn't, he was run and carry (Geelong) without the big bodies (or foot skills to execute)

 

[ExTasDeeMan]

But he wasn't, he was run and carry (Geelong) without the big bodies (or foot skills to execute)

I was being a smart ass. However to the point, there has been no innovation allowed through the gates of the Melbourne football club in any capacity due to the old school toffee headjobs at the helm.

 

[Viney]

I was being a smart arse. However to the point, there has been no innovation allowed through the gates of the Melbourne football club in any capacity due to the old school toffee headjobs at the helm.

I remember Danners every few years changing the game plan up to mimick recent premiers

The last piece of innovative coaching I can recall was Balme's huddle from a point kick in *shudders* *shudders again*

 

[Rushed_Behind]

The problem i believe is the football dept as a whole.

A question for supporters does Casey play the same brand of football Neeld is trying to implement and how is the relationship between MFC and Casey? If the answer is no and the relationship is fractured then that there is a fundamental error.

Personally I think Ayres and Viney should be development/assistant coaches working with young players at Casey developing them and teaching them. Also they should be in direct contact/discussion with the senior coaching team.

Ratten(young enough to handle gen y) IMO should be head coach with Mark Williams as his right hand man. Ling is also someone i would target for a role in the coaching group.

Throw the kitchen sink to stephen wells to bring him across as well to head up recruiting.

Obviously there are still some other positions that need to be filled but im sure the group mentioned provides a solid foundation which should be able to attract suitable options, also they are hard nosed competitive beasts who have enjoyed success and know what it takes and they should be able to instill that into the players.

On Neeld i dont like his style and the players i think don't understand/know it. There has been too many times where your backline has 3-4 players just zoning and not marking anyone, i'm sure that it its only meant to be a designated player zoning and the rest man marking.

Every coach has their favourites but the results are already shattering the players confidence the fact that he drops players after 1 week would do further damage. They need a decent run at it. Not sure about the injury list but Grimes, Clark and Viney are the only mid to long term injuries yet every week there's at least 2-5 changes.

Sorry if i offend anyone with my opinions, I'll disappear if so, not trying to be inflammatory.

 

[ThePuppetMaster]

The problem i believe is the football dept as a whole.

A question for supporters does Casey play the same brand of football Neeld is trying to implement and how is the relationship between MFC and Casey? If the answer is no and the relationship is fractured then that there is a fundamental error.

Personally I think Ayres and Viney should be development/assistant coaches working with young players at Casey developing them and teaching them. Also they should be in direct contact/discussion with the senior coaching team.

Ratten(young enough to handle gen y) IMO should be head coach with Mark Williams as his right hand man. Ling is also someone i would target for a role in the coaching group.

Throw the kitchen sink to stephen wells to bring him across as well to head up recruiting.

Obviously there are still some other positions that need to be filled but im sure the group mentioned provides a solid foundation which should be able to attract suitable options, also they are hard nosed competitive beasts who have enjoyed success and know what it takes and they should be able to instill that into the players.

On Neeld i dont like his style and the players i think don't understand/know it. There has been too many times where your backline has 3-4 players just zoning and not marking anyone, i'm sure that it its only meant to be a designated player zoning and the rest man marking.

Every coach has their favourites but the results are already shattering the players confidence the fact that he drops players after 1 week would do further damage. They need a decent run at it. Not sure about the injury list but Grimes, Clark and Viney are the only mid to long term injuries yet every week there's at least 2-5 changes.

Sorry if i offend anyone with my opinions, I'll disappear if so, not trying to be inflammatory.

Yep, quite successfully actually - Melbourne chose the coach for Casey this season, Rohan Welsh.

Think he's actually employed by the club and we get Casey to train with Melbourne every now and then.

 

[Rushed_Behind]

Yep, quite successfully actually - Melbourne chose the coach for Casey this season, Rohan Welsh.

Think he's actually employed by the club and we get Casey to train with Melbourne every now and then.

Well thats good then. For some reason there seems to be a breakdown in communication somewhere.

 

[Tulip]

What I would like is a coach who innovates

When was the last time we had a coach who innovated instead of just mimicking the previous years premiers game plan (or at least recent premiers)?

This. I was ridiculed for suggesting that Neeld was playing prototypal Collingwood wing-style footy at the start of last year.

Coaches need to start off with a basic game plan, recognise the strengths of the list and go from there.

Neeld and Bailey both failed to do this.

Someone like Brad Scott never imposed a game plan, established his squad's inside defensive strength and yet still decided to play attacking football.

 

[LeverPuller]

Question for the collective: Are we assuming red rover at this point or are we waiting for the fat lady?

 

[Black Dynamite]

What I would like is a coach who innovates

When was the last time we had a coach who innovated instead of just mimicking the previous years premiers game plan (or at least recent premiers)?

Trouble is to get a truly innovative coach we would possibly have to go down the untried coach path, anyone who has been in the senior coaching system for any amount of time will tend to see current trends and go with them. An untried guy is more likely to go innovative as he needs to do something different to the rest of the pack to make a name and hasn't got any reputation to put on the line.
This is probably the reason I don't totally dismiss an untried coach but realise that our playing group probably needs someone with some runs on the board coaching wise.