Mega Thread Senior Coach Discussion - Neeld v the alternatives

[AFL is Number One]

Surprising the board hasn't come under as much scrutiny as Neeld has.

And where's our fearless leader? ..?Don McLarty??? I haven't heard a peep out of him . Sacking the coach won't achieve anything. We just don't have the cattle.

 

[CWaffles]

Surprising the board hasn't come under as much scrutiny as Neeld has.

Well I hope they are next. Time to move on the people who don't care about the well being of the football club! The culture needs to change and it needs to happen now!

 

[autocol]

Well I'd much prefer Frawley and Watts over Neeld...

I'm not saying Neeld has been a good coach. I'd love to, because I was optimistic when I first heard him speak, but the results have not been encouraging, clearly. That said, why on earth would you want to keep Jack "more scared of physical contact than Megan Fox" Watts or James "I can't even be bothered raising my hands above my head while standing the mark" Frawley?

I'm telling you now, the fastest way to get this club's on-field performance back on track is to delist EVERY SINGLE PLAYER who was on the list for 186. Every. Single. One. Except Jonesy, because he's frickin' Jonesy. The entire club is rotten to the core with crap personnel, from the board to the bootstudder. I want the whole lot of them cleaned out, because all I care about is the colours and the history and the song.

There's barely a player wearing our colours that deserves to be on the ground, and with 15 gone last year, I'm hoping for 15 more this year, which means there's only 10 to go next year and the job will be complete. Then we might see someone running to create space at a kickout. Or shepherding a team-mate. Or running to create an option in traffic so the handball doesn't go to a flat-footed bloke who's less than a tenth of a second from getting poleaxed by four blokes at once.

I don't give a crap about these fella's "future potential" like Watts or "2010 form" like Frawley because from what I've seen in the last two years they can't be arsed, so I say trade them for whatever they're worth and lets just start from scratch.

 

[MUYB]

The thing about Neeld is if you were to make a list of the problems that need to be fixed at Melbourne he doesn't even make the top ten. Rather than sacking a coach 30 matches into his contract, why don't we fix the other stuff like getting some actual competent assistant coaches instead of Rawlings and Royal and then we can make a decision about whether Neeld can coach when he has some sort of support structure around him.

 

[ThePuppetMaster]

I'm not saying Neeld has been a good coach. I'd love to, because I was optimistic when I first heard him speak, but the results have not been encouraging, clearly. That said, why on earth would you want to keep Jack "more scared of physical contact than Megan Fox" Watts or James "I can't even be bothered raising my hands above my head while standing the mark" Frawley?

I'm telling you now, the fastest way to get this club's on-field performance back on track is to delist EVERY SINGLE PLAYER who was on the list for 186. Every. Single. One. Except Jonesy, because he's frickin' Jonesy. The entire club is rotten to the core with crap personnel, from the board to the bootstudder. I want the whole lot of them cleaned out, because all I care about is the colours and the history and the song.

There's barely a player wearing our colours that deserves to be on the ground, and with 15 gone last year, I'm hoping for 15 more this year, which means there's only 10 to go next year and the job will be complete. Then we might see someone running to create space at a kickout. Or shepherding a team-mate. Or running to create an option in traffic so the handball doesn't go to a flat-footed bloke who's less than a tenth of a second from getting poleaxed by four blokes at once.

I don't give a crap about these fella's "future potential" like Watts or "2010 form" like Frawley because from what I've seen in the last two years they can't be arsed, so I say trade them for whatever they're worth and lets just start from scratch.

There's an idea!! Let's watch the club die - yay!

 

[SuburbanMe]

The entire club is rotten to the core with crap personnel, from the board to the bootstudder.

Apparently we don't have boot studders. According to Dawesy, the players sort out their own boots.

 

[Klyntonius]

The thing about Neeld is if you were to make a list of the problems that need to be fixed at Melbourne he doesn't even make the top ten. Rather than sacking a coach 30 matches into his contract, why don't we fix the other stuff like getting some actual competent assistant coaches instead of Rawlings and Royal and then we can make a decision about whether Neeld can coach when he has some sort of support structure around him.

So who chooses the new assistant coaches to replace the incompetent ones that Neeld brought in?

 

[Dory_77]

Apparently we don't have boot studders. According to Dawesy, the players sort out their own boots.

No wonder they're fed up and not trying...

 

[CWaffles]

I'm not saying Neeld has been a good coach. I'd love to, because I was optimistic when I first heard him speak, but the results have not been encouraging, clearly. That said, why on earth would you want to keep Jack "more scared of physical contact than Megan Fox" Watts or James "I can't even be bothered raising my hands above my head while standing the mark" Frawley?

I'm telling you now, the fastest way to get this club's on-field performance back on track is to delist EVERY SINGLE PLAYER who was on the list for 186. Every. Single. One. Except Jonesy, because he's frickin' Jonesy. The entire club is rotten to the core with crap personnel, from the board to the bootstudder. I want the whole lot of them cleaned out, because all I care about is the colours and the history and the song.

There's barely a player wearing our colours that deserves to be on the ground, and with 15 gone last year, I'm hoping for 15 more this year, which means there's only 10 to go next year and the job will be complete. Then we might see someone running to create space at a kickout. Or shepherding a team-mate. Or running to create an option in traffic so the handball doesn't go to a flat-footed bloke who's less than a tenth of a second from getting poleaxed by four blokes at once.

I don't give a crap about these fella's "future potential" like Watts or "2010 form" like Frawley because from what I've seen in the last two years they can't be arsed, so I say trade them for whatever they're worth and lets just start from scratch.

Unfortunately if you do that we will have 186 on a weekly basis! I think everyone wanted to buy into Neeld when he first arrived, I had high hopes for the guy but at the end of the day he is the most uninspiring of all the coaches! I mean his press conferences instill no confidence in our supporters so I can only imagine how the players feel!

It's hard to play for a guy you have no faith in! And it's not just him, it's people like Brian Royal and Rawlings! If you have a Football department who can't build an atmosphere around the club then your going nowhere! and that is our problem now!

There is no doubt we all want the best for the club we love and want success it is just some of us have different ideas as to what we need to do in order to create it!

 

[guitarded]

I'm not saying Neeld has been a good coach. I'd love to, because I was optimistic when I first heard him speak, but the results have not been encouraging, clearly. That said, why on earth would you want to keep Jack "more scared of physical contact than Megan Fox" Watts or James "I can't even be bothered raising my hands above my head while standing the mark" Frawley?

I'm telling you now, the fastest way to get this club's on-field performance back on track is to delist EVERY SINGLE PLAYER who was on the list for 186. Every. Single. One. Except Jonesy, because he's frickin' Jonesy. The entire club is rotten to the core with crap personnel, from the board to the bootstudder. I want the whole lot of them cleaned out, because all I care about is the colours and the history and the song.

There's barely a player wearing our colours that deserves to be on the ground, and with 15 gone last year, I'm hoping for 15 more this year, which means there's only 10 to go next year and the job will be complete. Then we might see someone running to create space at a kickout. Or shepherding a team-mate. Or running to create an option in traffic so the handball doesn't go to a flat-footed bloke who's less than a tenth of a second from getting poleaxed by four blokes at once.

I don't give a crap about these fella's "future potential" like Watts or "2010 form" like Frawley because from what I've seen in the last two years they can't be arsed, so I say trade them for whatever they're worth and lets just start from scratch.

Ridiculous. Our players are where they are because of our coaching staff. Don't think for a second we wouldn't have turned Nic Nat into a dud.

Watts is a perfect example of a #1 draft pick being completely mismanaged.

The AFL are stepping in because of the immediate concern to the careers of these players. If players want to leave he club, how do you propose we attract others to the club?

 

[TJTIGER]

If we do something, it's not to satisfy the players. It'll be the board gone, the FD gone and an experienced coach who will leave the players quaking. If we're this bad by the middle of the year, I'd be giving Roos a call, and then Choco and then Eade.

I was just curious as to what the general feeling was with you guys regarding the issue of a POSSIBLE change of Head coach (without trying to be inflammatory). Would the above 3 be front runners or is there someone else that may be approached ?

P.s I've never posted on another board before so I hope this is not taken as provocative, it's nothing more than an honest question.

P.P.S I hope things turn around for the MFC sooner rather than later.

 

[Viney]

I was just curious as to what the general feeling was with you guys regarding the issue of a POSSIBLE change of Head coach (without trying to be inflammatory). Would the above 3 be front runners or is there someone else that may be approached ?

P.s I've never posted on another board before so I hope this is not taken as provocative, it's nothing more than an honest question.

P.P.S I hope things turn around for the MFC sooner rather than later.

Last year I would've said no

Pre season I would've said no

Round 1 I thought "hmmmmmmm"

Round 2 I was too stunned to think

Round 3 half time, I thought "hmmm this is better"

End of Round 3 I thought *&$@#$&#*

Three Quarter Time Round 4 I thought "he's gone. gone gone gone gone gone"

End of round 4, I thought "12 goals in the last quarter, did he just get them to flick a switch? I know it was only a tired GWS but still, its something"

Since then, they've shown nothing more than patches. And the a lot of absolute horrible

I've supported Neeld, knowing the task he was up against was so monumental that it would take time.

However I expected some progress this year, and really, we've had none

I'd hate to tip him now when he'd might be ready for the team to turn a corner, but how much damage is being done to the club in the meantime?

Is it reversible? Is it permanent? Is he doing the right thing, but we're just too impatient? Is he just a dud?

Is the corner going to be turned like it was with Hardwick after 9 horrific losses on the trot and being compared to Fitzroy?

I just don't know where I stand on this

On one hand I want him gone, never to be seen at the club again, and that he can take Gilles / Rodan / Byrnes / Pedersen with him

On the other hand I have HUGE sympathy for him and what an ordinary list he was left with, what a shit storm was brewing re tanking / in fighting / schwab / board etc.

I just want success, I don't want competitive. I want success. I want the Coach, Board and Players who will deliver that

 

[ThePuppetMaster]

No problem, we're pretty to have people who aren't trolls on our board!

Yep, someone who's experienced and who has had at least some success is high on the agenda.

 

[SPC 98]

Last year I would've said no

Pre season I would've said no

Round 1 I thought "hmmmmmmm"

Round 2 I was too stunned to think

Round 3 half time, I thought "hmmm this is better"

End of Round 3 I thought *&$@#$&#*

Three Quarter Time Round 4 I thought "he's gone. gone gone gone gone gone"

End of round 4, I thought "12 goals in the last quarter, did he just get them to flick a switch? I know it was only a tired GWS but still, its something"

Since then, they've shown nothing more than patches. And the a lot of absolute horrible

I've supported Neeld, knowing the task he was up against was so monumental that it would take time.

However I expected some progress this year, and really, we've had none

I'd hate to tip him now when he'd might be ready for the team to turn a corner, but how much damage is being done to the club in the meantime?

Is it reversible? Is it permanent? Is he doing the right thing, but we're just too impatient? Is he just a dud?

Is the corner going to be turned like it was with Hardwick after 9 horrific losses on the trot and being compared to Fitzroy?

I just don't know where I stand on this

On one hand I want him gone, never to be seen at the club again, and that he can take Gilles / Rodan / Byrnes / Pedersen with him

On the other hand I have HUGE sympathy for him and what an ordinary list he was left with, what a shit storm was brewing re tanking / in fighting / schwab / board etc.

I just want success, I don't want competitive. I want success. I want the Coach, Board and Players who will deliver that

This...

I am still a bit staggered by the support he is receiving.. His appointment statement was a promise to MFC members, to 'make us the most difficult team to play against'.. this is what he is judged on and this will be the comment that nails the coffin shut!!

If you take 2 years to install a defensive mindset, then record losses are not going to help the cause..

 

[ramastar]

This...

I am still a bit staggered by the support he is receiving.. His appointment statement was a promise to MFC members, to 'make us the most difficult team to play against'.. this is what he is judged on and this will be the comment that nails the coffin shut!!

If you take 2 years to install a defensive mindset, then record losses are not going to help the cause..

I don't think Neeld and his style is receiving support per say. It seems to be more, what's the point of getting rid of him. I can’t recall one of the no-sacking posters saying ‘we shouldn’t sack him because he’s good’ more just, what good would it do.

 

[jhong]

I don't think Neeld and his style is receiving support per say. It seems to be more, what's the point of getting rid of him. I can’t recall one of the no-sacking posters saying ‘we shouldn’t sack him because he’s good’ more just, what good would it do.

this , but if he does go , still think it will be N.Craig till end of season .

 

[SPC 98]

I don't think Neeld and his style is receiving support per say. It seems to be more, what's the point of getting rid of him. I can’t recall one of the no-sacking posters saying ‘we shouldn’t sack him because he’s good’ more just, what good would it do.

Yeah i hear you... But there is a lot of talk about keeping him, for the sake of not paying out the contract and perhaps just putting in some better support to help him.
He just doesn't seem like the guy to take advice too well.. Just my impression.

 

[Viney]

I don't think Neeld and his style is receiving support per say. It seems to be more, what's the point of getting rid of him. I can’t recall one of the no-sacking posters saying ‘we shouldn’t sack him because he’s good’ more just, what good would it do.

That's kinda where I am at

I don't see a magic solution to improving the teams fortunes UNLESS the players really don't like Neeld and aren't motivated to play for him

Its still all in all an ordinary list though, I don't see in the short term how much another coach could get out of it

 

[SPC 98]

On a side note, where is Dean Laidley these days? Heard his name thrown around a bit..

 

[Animosity]

It would be nice to see clark and dawes in tandem like Neelds gameplan probably originally intended going into attack with a two pronged big target kick in. I know the onfield holes are seriously bigger than just one missing forward, but surely a bit more spirit and endeavour would be amongst the midfield group when they get their just rewards of a nice 6 pointer from a competent forward. At least if Mitch+Dawes had played together long enough to set the example of whats required in this particular role and strutcure, some of these lesser skilled talls/fill-in fwds may have been able to imitate to some degree and get into better scoring opportunities, giving the team confidence when going forward. We look too scared to go long or to a 50-50 and make a stupid unneeded 'you take the blame plz' handball

I hate watching us get off to a good start on the odd occasion, the Inside50's are up higher than opposition, but the score is still 0.3.3 to 4.2.26.

2.1.13 to 4.2.26 looks more promising and you're literally ' a half chance ' at getting over the top of them, it must really hurt the consistent tryers getting it in theres confidence and winning spirit when there is next to no fwd pressure and we are so susceptable to having goals against us within 30 seconds of it being out of our forward line.

Unfortunatley I dont think Mark will get the chance to use these 2 on the park the way he would have liked to.

 

[ramastar]

Yeah i hear you... But there is a lot of talk about keeping him, for the sake of not paying out the contract and perhaps just putting in some better support to help him.
He just doesn't seem like the guy to take advice too well.. Just my impression.

I'm of the opinion he should go, but I think the arguments for not paying out his contract, putting in better support, who else! are all really good arguments. It's just for me, the arguments against keeping outweigh those for keeping him.
Frankly, it just seems like a lose/lose situation.

I was wondering why Laidley hasn't been talked about more. Might be a decent choice...

 

[TJTIGER]

Last year I would've said no

Pre season I would've said no

Round 1 I thought "hmmmmmmm"

Round 2 I was too stunned to think

Round 3 half time, I thought "hmmm this is better"

End of Round 3 I thought *&$@#$&#*

Three Quarter Time Round 4 I thought "he's gone. gone gone gone gone gone"

End of round 4, I thought "12 goals in the last quarter, did he just get them to flick a switch? I know it was only a tired GWS but still, its something"

Since then, they've shown nothing more than patches. And the a lot of absolute horrible

I've supported Neeld, knowing the task he was up against was so monumental that it would take time.

However I expected some progress this year, and really, we've had none

I'd hate to tip him now when he'd might be ready for the team to turn a corner, but how much damage is being done to the club in the meantime?

Is it reversible? Is it permanent? Is he doing the right thing, but we're just too impatient? Is he just a dud?

Is the corner going to be turned like it was with Hardwick after 9 horrific losses on the trot and being compared to Fitzroy?

I just don't know where I stand on this

On one hand I want him gone, never to be seen at the club again, and that he can take Gilles / Rodan / Byrnes / Pedersen with him

On the other hand I have HUGE sympathy for him and what an ordinary list he was left with, what a shit storm was brewing re tanking / in fighting / schwab / board etc.

I just want success, I don't want competitive. I want success. I want the Coach, Board and Players who will deliver that

Thanks I really appreciate your honesty and that of other supporters here. This is completely from an outsiders point of view. Do you guys think that the issues can be addressed by bringing in a new head coach or do they go alot broader than that ie are all the necessary supports in place to maximise the chances of overall club/team success ? cheers

 

[SPC 98]

I'm of the opinion he should go, but I think the arguments for not paying out his contract, putting in better support, who else! are all really good arguments. It's just for me, the arguments against keeping outweigh those for keeping him.
Frankly, it just seems like a lose/lose situation.

I was wondering why Laidley hasn't been talked about more. Might be a decent choice...

I have a friend who works in the media and said that Laidley's knowledge of game plans and tactics is as good as any.

 

[TJTIGER]

I have a friend who works in the media and said that Laidley's knowledge of game plans and tactics is as good as any.

Does anyone know where he's at or if he is interested in a senior role ? I thought he did a lot for NMFC and under him Nth were more often than not a difficult team to play against.

 

[Crimson Azure]

1k posts & we still have no idea either way.