Mega Thread Senior Coach Discussion - Neeld v the alternatives

[syl]

Yeah, that's why "Neeldy" was there for 3x his usual time.

Yeah, it is.

A normal monthly board meeting
PJ gave the very first preliminary recommendations
Neeldy and Craigy reported on 2013 progress...

Bigger than normal due to bolded

 

[ThePuppetMaster]

Let's hope - McLardy is really at fault for this circus - he signalled change within the next week or two.

 

[Sir Hugh Percy]

I've changed my mind! Neeld can stay! Please someone make him stay! I love Mark Neeld! He's our saviour! Anything but ****ing Jade Rawlings!!!

 

[syl]

Let's hope - McLardy is really at fault for this circus - he signalled change within the next week or two.

The media did. Mclardy said that in the weeks after this meeting they would begin to make decisions based on these recommendations.

 

[syl]

I've changed my mind! Neeld can stay! Please someone make him stay! I love Mark Neeld! He's our saviour! Anything but ******* Jade Rawlings!!!

LOL. Chill.

 

[ThePuppetMaster]

The media did. Mclardy said that in the weeks after this meeting they would begin to make decisions based on these recommendations.

McLardy signaled change - the media wouldn't be as all over this if he hadn't.

 

[syl]

McLardy signaled change - the media wouldn't be as all over this if he hadn't.

There will be change. This isn't it and he was clear about that. Hence everyone in the club ignoring the fricking dickheads.

 

[catman 71]

To be honest, I never watched enough North games while he was there, but I do recall at the time he was pushed thinking he got shafted as I thought he was good.
So if what you say is true, I'd be happy to have him on board.

Yeah, get Dean Laidley. That way, if you make finals, you will then get thrashed by over 10 goals.

Have a look at Laidley's finals record. It makes appalling reading.

Besides, do you want another negative, angry coach?

 

[fushy]

Yeah, get Dean Laidley. That way, if you make finals, you will then get thrashed by over 10 goals.

Going of last year i think thats just North and not its coach

 

[Wonaeamirri33]

He has 70k followers somehow/

Carowhine Wilson?

 

[CWaffles]

No sacking according to Don Mclardy's statement

Read Here

 

[LeverPuller]

 

[Carusiii]

I wish they would just come and say either a) we will back him till the end of the season then re-evaluate b) we will back him till the end of his contract. give us something!

 

[Klyntonius]

Not at all, I think that originally Neeld thought he could get us competitive quickly - when he realised the attitude and leadership void at the club he changed his mind and made some decisions which will set us back (knowingly doing so I might add).

Under Bailey we probably would have come close to finals last year, I'm not sure that Bailey would have ever created a culture for us to be a legitimate contender though (top 2-4).

I think Neeld deserves the same time as Bailey did - this isn't year 6 of a rebuild, this is year 2 of a rebuild.

I think that most people calling for Neelds head are simply impatient (understandably) supporters who can't grasp this reality.

There's a fair bit of merit to what you say here, in particular about the leadership aspect and also previously about training/fitness levels. Neeld needed time to rectify both issues and the reports are that we're much fitter now and contrary to most opinions, I have no problem of the recruitment of Byrnes and Rodan who essentially cost us nothing. The consensus was that we had a few holes in the list to fill and recruiting the likes of Dawes and Clark to fill a couple of them has been excellent.

For me though, the issue of time is becoming an increasingly moot point. The problem isn't that we're losing - at 1 and 9 arguments can be mounted towards development in certain situations - the problem is how we're losing. 10 games into his second season at the helm and 7 of them have been losses of 10+ goals (and the other two losses the opposition didn't capitalise on 13 and 14 extra scoring shots). We are completely uncompetitive where even "adequate" effort still sees heavy defeats. A step backwards to go forwards is no problem, short term pain for long term gain, but at the moment this team is even worse than 2008 when we were trying to lose. That's pretty bleak and an indictment on the club as a whole.

I've lost all faith in Neeld (and his football department). I don't have a problem with the board giving him more time today but I would think he should have until the Bulldogs game to be able to offer some kind of improvement. If we're flogged by both the Saints and the Dogs then he has to go. It won't necessarily help us on field (who plays caretaker? Craig, Rawlings? Maybe Royal so we can replace him as midfield coach with Viney) but at least it gives the club plenty of time to find his successor, for Peter Jackson to work with them in recreating our off field structures and release an enormous amount of pressure from the club, albeit for a short amount of time.

Overall, the whole situation sucks and I wish we were on the way to becoming the hardest team in the comp to play against.

 

[Crimson Azure]

And I was hoping I could close this thread once & for all.

 

[GIVELIDSTHEFOOTY]

G'day guys not trolling here being a Tiger i feel your pain.But there is one thing i want to get off my chest.And that is Gerard Healy and what he has been saying in the media all this comming from a guy who left for $$$$$$$$$ he is no help the way he goes about things i have lost all respect for this clown maybe he should put his hand up and go and help his brother instead of shite canning your club.Cheers

 

[RedLegs#5]

I still think he's gone. Will probably be after the Collingwood game.

However, I am toing and froing whether we should allow him to stay until the end of the year. I believe he's had probably the toughest start to a coaching career...ever, and deserves some time to execute his plans. I mean, an overhauled list (which most of us backed happening) will always take time to click.

However, even for our low expectations (or mine) coming into this year, I didn't foresee this level of on field struggle. I don't know what the reasons are behind it, whether his game plan takes a long time to get your head around as a player, whether he's simply lost the faith of many of the players, whether the attitude of now spoiled ex senior players has poisoned players still there....so many variables which could be at play.

The players themselves need to be looked at here too. It was mentioned by another poster, but Dawes is clearly implying in his interviews that some of our players just aren't putting in the basic effort required at AFL level. There is no excuse for this. I don't care how good/bad the coach is. And if this is the case, who are the players (I think we could all highlight a few) and why the f*ck are they still on the list? Furthermore, if I continue to travel down this route, should Neeld have another pre-season in which to keep re-structuring the list?

Whatever the case, we need a strong leader to address all areas of weakness in the club. All. Certain players cannot get away with the attitude they've been showing. There has been a rot in the playing group for a while, most of which I thought was cut out last year, but some of which clearly still remains.

But yes, we cannot afford to lose members next year, so either way, and as tough as it is to overturn a list and a club's culture, Neeld simply has to produce a greater on field effort this year (probably over the next couple of weeks realistically), or by the sheer weight of potential repercussions, he'll be forced out by the club/Jackson/AFL.

 

[Gary17]

I wish they would just come and say either a) we will back him till the end of the season then re-evaluate b) we will back him till the end of his contract. give us something!

Sorry to intrude - seems to me that if they do want to sack him they won't do it until they have the other pieces of the puzzle in place: decisions on the rest of the of the football department, who will replace him, if with an outsider (eg Eade, Williams) making sure that person is ready and willing to take over, other possible assistants, and most importantly, how to pay for all this. No point sacking him without a clear plan to fix all the problems (or as many as they can afford) and put something in place that is guaranteed to work. As with Port Adelaide, there is no room for getting this round of decisions wrong.

Best of luck guys.

 

[Cannon82]

Wow, to have a job in the media. Spend a day camped outside of a location to report at the end of the day... that nothing has changed. Well done. Constructive.

It'd be so much better if the assorted journos had to do something with their time. Refuse to answer individual's questions unless they give you a diorama or a hat rack or some penal quality license plates.

 

[wowlace]

Got some info from a SAUCE.

Apparently the players hate Neeld for the Beamer episode. Would explain why he is determined to overhaul more than half the list.

Could be bullshit but this person has no reason to lie to me and he does have weekly convos with some of the board.

 

[stretcharmstrong]

So you don't think that if we weren't playing a game plan that went out of vogue two seasons ago that we'd still be as bad as we are?

Our players play games with the mindset of not losing rather than winning.

It's a deadset disgrace.

Hardwick's average losing margin up to this point in his FIRST season at Richmond was about 20 pts less than Neeld's in his second.

Here is Melbourne 2008:
http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/tg-melbourne-demons?year=2008

and

Richmond 2010:
http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/tg-richmond-tigers?year=2010

Neeld's team is playing worse than both of those teams did.

I really don't think you know what the game plan is, SSF.

 

[Dory_77]

I really don't think you know what the game plan is, SSF.

I don't think anyone does.

 

[CWaffles]

Got some info from a SAUCE.

Apparently the players hate Neeld for the Beamer episode. Would explain why he is determined to overhaul more than half the list.

Could be bullshit but this person has no reason to lie to me and he does have weekly convos with some of the board.

If this is correct then one would suggest he will eventually be show the door.

 

[stretcharmstrong]

No sacking according to Don Mclardy's statement

Read Here

PJ staying on until end 2014 (at least) is really great news.

Really wish the board had made a decision on Neeld though (one way or the other) and taken a position to stand by. I guess Jackson's recommendation was to continue with Neeld and reassess at some point in the not to distant future.

 

[CWaffles]

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PJ staying on until end 2014 (at least) is really great news.

Really wish the board had made a decision on Neeld though (one way or the other) and taken a position to stand by. I guess Jackson's recommendation was to continue with Neeld and reassess at some point in the not to distant future.

couldn't agree more, great news regarding PJ very happy to see he wants to turn our club around. As far as Mark I would of preferred to have some idea as to what's happening but it is good to see they aren't letting the media dictate it, if Schwab was still there Neeld would have been fired today I believe.