I'm sure there will be, but they shouldn't be wearing the jumper and stinking it up so badly in the meantime
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I'm sure there will be, but they shouldn't be wearing the jumper and stinking it up so badly in the meantime
Tulip
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Oh just use names.
Let me guess what you think: Sylvia, Watts, Frawley, Dunn.
Let me guess what you think: Sylvia, Watts, Frawley, Dunn.
ThePuppetMaster
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Neeld wouldn't be playing them if he thought they were completely against him ala Martin, Gysberts, Moloney.
This is just supporters looking for reasons.
This is just supporters looking for reasons.
jhong
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Seems to appear there are 3 groups within the players -;
The one's Neeld has brought in and are trying ,
A group who were there and are giving it a go ,
And some who are content to get a pay packet etc.
Any sense of intitlement from any player given the state we are in right now should be exposed once and for all.
I really hope P.Jackson told the board to suck it in and harden the f#@k up.
The one's Neeld has brought in and are trying ,
A group who were there and are giving it a go ,
And some who are content to get a pay packet etc.
Any sense of intitlement from any player given the state we are in right now should be exposed once and for all.
I really hope P.Jackson told the board to suck it in and harden the f#@k up.
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PJ is a football man, I really doubt he told the board to harden the **** up. Face it and look at the results. Neeld is arguable the worst coach since Royce Hart. He has 5 wins in 32 games. It's pathetic, and this is by no means job security.
jhong
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I am , the whole club is pathetic atm
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This cartoon ( from http://www.upstart.net.au/2013/06/04/neeld-left-hanging/) pretty much sums up my feelings about Neeld.
No accountability whatsoever. I'm yet to hear anyone identify one thing he's got right since coming to Melbourne. He didn't inherit the Earth like Chris Scott or Brenton Sanderson, but Neeld's job is simply to make sure the Dees improve, not just whinge about the hand he's been dealt and say he needs five more years.
Personally, I don't care who replaces him until the end of the year, but he's got to go right now to avoid alienating even more supporters, and causing another player exodus like last year. The club's less stable with him in it than it would be if it turned over another coach. No more excuses. Get rid of him.
I think Clark and Dawes are 2 things he got right
After that, the list gets a bit thin
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Yeah, okay. I'll pay Clark (not sold on Dawes just yet, though he's looked okay). Neeld was talking the talk early on, which was why people (like Clark) liked him at the start. It wasn't until they started actually playing footy when people figured out Neeld was all talk.
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You may be an Essendon supporter, but you sir are very correct.
Not disagreeing, just pointing out a couple of things he has done right
wowlace
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http://www.theroar.com.au/2013/06/04/mark-neeld-deserves-to-stay-on-with-demons/
Decent read. Puts things into perspective.
Decent read. Puts things into perspective.
ThePuppetMaster
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As it stands, I think the players that Neeld's recruiting and bringing in are playing the way he wants them too - no doubt.
Guys like Terlich, M. Jones, Viney, Clark, Dawes - and guys who had really limited exposure under Bailey due to injuries like Gawn and Evans
It's just that a lot of the players Bailey recruited, who have talent, are having to be re-taught how to play the game Neelds way.
A lot of these guys spent 3-4 years under Bailey, so the habits they picked up will take a while to be removed.
Some guys like Nath Jones were just made to play the way Neeld wants it, Grimes, McDonald and Howe are probably other examples - they've performed pretty solidly under Neeld.
Sylvia and Garland would be boarderline in this group considering their recent efforts, things clicked for both of them half way through last year IMO.
Guys like Watts, Strauss, Blease, Trengove, Bail, Frawley and Tapscott have all had to make changes to their games.
Be it playing in different positions (Watts, Blease, Bail, Tapscott), adding defensive elements to their games (Watts, Blease, Bail, Strauss, Trengove), cutting out certain elements to their games (Frawley and run and handball plays under Bailey).
I hope that when we change these habits (if they stay at the club, this WILL happen) we'll rise quickly, but it takes time to break habits.
I don't see much point in trying to reverse or again change the direction of what we are doing.
Guys like Terlich, M. Jones, Viney, Clark, Dawes - and guys who had really limited exposure under Bailey due to injuries like Gawn and Evans
It's just that a lot of the players Bailey recruited, who have talent, are having to be re-taught how to play the game Neelds way.
A lot of these guys spent 3-4 years under Bailey, so the habits they picked up will take a while to be removed.
Some guys like Nath Jones were just made to play the way Neeld wants it, Grimes, McDonald and Howe are probably other examples - they've performed pretty solidly under Neeld.
Sylvia and Garland would be boarderline in this group considering their recent efforts, things clicked for both of them half way through last year IMO.
Guys like Watts, Strauss, Blease, Trengove, Bail, Frawley and Tapscott have all had to make changes to their games.
Be it playing in different positions (Watts, Blease, Bail, Tapscott), adding defensive elements to their games (Watts, Blease, Bail, Strauss, Trengove), cutting out certain elements to their games (Frawley and run and handball plays under Bailey).
I hope that when we change these habits (if they stay at the club, this WILL happen) we'll rise quickly, but it takes time to break habits.
I don't see much point in trying to reverse or again change the direction of what we are doing.
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Neeld's first mistake was being big-headed enough to think that a coach should be able to create a game plan before a list. You're meant to mould your game plan based on the players that you have.
ThePuppetMaster
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That would be the approach a lot have done to get instant gratification, it remains to be seen whether that approach is successful long term.
Worsfold, Clarkson, Thompson, Williams, Eade and Malthouse all went the way that Neeld has gone (to varying degrees of poor - certainly Clarkson, Worsfold and Malthouse all had their time down the very bottom).
Williams and Thompson being ones who I don't think copped a bottom four finish, no more then twice at least (think Williams was twice, certainly in 08).
I don't see many successful long term coaches who haven't had to build a list at some point, and been flogged doing so.
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What's this? Facts and reason in a football article?
Agree, it does
It doesn't mean we're accepting of big losses or anything along those lines, but for me at least, it does put it in perspective
I'm not arguing Neeld is a good coach, I've never stated that (in the early days I supported his "total change" philosophy but never said he was a good coach)
Jackson is right, he needs to be able to coach with clear air
SabreOfParadise
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Conveniently ignores the fact Mark Neeld was the senior coach in 2012 as well. I can live with going backwards one year. Backwards again?
ThePuppetMaster
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Neeld gave all the players a chance last season, he decided which ones he wanted gone and they went in record numbers for our club.
This is the real start of his era I'd suggest.
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All of them?
Gysberts got one game, Petterd got two. Hardly 'a chance'. More like he decided who he liked and who he didn't, and made sure the right groups were attached. Did he get it right?
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Also, because these players proved themselves as being able to win games, and seeing as the majority of them were young - its ludicrous to suggest that Neeld's tenure started this year.
ThePuppetMaster
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They can't show they want games during the pre-season? Or on the training track? Or for Casey?
All players were given a clean slate, some responded and some didn't.
Some earnt themselves a change in opinion from the coach (Blease)
All players were given a clean slate, some responded and some didn't.
Some earnt themselves a change in opinion from the coach (Blease)
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As will our members soon! Thats a big concern.
ThePuppetMaster
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You get one season - that's fair enough if you're showing no sign of adhering to what the coach wants, whether that attitude from the coach is the right thing is questionable, but if you go down that path then one season is fair,
Blease is in Neelds ideal 22, at a function recently he said that he really hopes Blease will be playing the majority of the 2nd half of the season - to put a number on it he said at least 8 of the last 12.
He's still learning though, and probably should have been given a run at Casey before being thrown into the round 1 team after 5 weeks out.
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