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Wanted to update where I think we are at and what the focus should be for us in the remainder of trade and draft period.

Before I do the context of my views is based on the below best 22 for 2018 and our current list. Personally I am bullish on the list if they can stay fit and improve their ball transition - particularly into the forwards. All the data out of 2017 points to that being our big issue. Fix that and the below group can play finals.

2018 Best 22

B Goldsack - Dunn - Varcoe
HB Scharenberg - Reid - Howe
C Sidebottom - Pendlebury - Maynard
R Grundy - Adams - Treloar
HF Wells - Moore - De Goey
F Fasolo - Cox - Elliott

Int Hoskin-Elliott - Crisp - Daicos - Phillips

Remaining list depth;

Backs - McClarty, Langdon, Smith, Oxley, Sinclair, Ramsay
Forwards - Broomhead, Brown, Kirby, Crocker, Blair, Mayne,
Mids - Wills, Aish, Greenwood, Sier
Rucks - Lynch


What are the deficiencies

The key areas the club needs to address is spine, skill and to some extent speed. Murray is a recruit with that in mind. Think a very strong chance he will be tried back and forward over pre season. Did well in back half for Swans NEAFL side.

To that end i think the below is what I would be doing around delistings.


Delisting's

Already have Mackie, White, Schade, McCarthy and Keefe gone.

I would add Blair, Sinclair, Ramsay, Oxley and Sier to that list and consider redrafting Sier or Sinclair.

Reality if neither Ramsay or Sinclair are good ball users and the recruitment of Murray doesn't bode well. Oxley isn't quick and has to many in front of him and Sier just hasn't shown enough but like Sinclair would think about redrafting.


Who would I dangle for trades

Based on the above best 22 I think we have a number of players we should be seeking trades for in order to either get in other players that better fit our needs or better still improve draft picks to those we have presently.

We simply have to many players in this middle band who aren't going to get decent game time and are chewing up dollars. To that end I would look at moving 2-4 of the below on.

Cox (only in one circumstance)
Langdon
Phillips
Broomhead
Aish
Smith
Greenwood
and of course Mayne


Trade Targets

Schache - I am not a massive fan of getting him with the use of pick 6 or Matt Scharenberg. I have to many reservations about him but I know some people close to him (who would know) think he is a player. For mine the best way to get him would be to see if Lions would come at Cox and Langdon. If a pick could be cultivated via some of the other names above that could help as would a 2018 2nd rounder I suspect.

Lynch - Done. Throw this year and next year first rounder. If could get something back great - if not all good.

Tomlinson - I think we are more linked than people think but for mine I dont think so. Price will be high given he is in contract and am a believer his best spot is HB or Wing. He doesn't fit my criteria.

Wigg - I really like this kid and would look at a swap of Aish for him if possible. Wigg is a really talented ball user out of the back half from SA who is currently with Crows. He would really help with our ball transition and i see him as a Shane Biggs type recruit.

Crameri - bit unsure exactly how you would get him but I think he would be a useful player in our 22 as a sort of transition player from the mids to the forward. Wouldn't cost much and he'd be one I would want to work on.

Close - I think he is one we have been linked with and I am 50:50. Lions played him forward but i think he is a key back. I would look at him if that was the role you would be looking at for him.


Delisted / Uncontracted

Sam Collins - Victim of rebuilding / Brennan Cox. I like Sam and his WAFL form this year was v good and we saw what he offered last year. Again would take with a rookie selection.

Michael Talia - Saw some of his NEAFL form. Surprised been delisted. Would certainly take with last rookie pick.

Zac Clarke - We probably need another ruck prospect but for mine I would look to the draft.

Mullett - I would look at but I think there are some question marks around intensity.


Draft targets

# 6 - Stephenson.

I really like him. He is explosive, has huge scope to get stronger, showed he can compete inside and out and play good minutes in the midfield. But I would be very happy with any of Cerra, Fogarty, Brander, Stephenson, Coffield, Balta or Bonar.


#36 - Harrison Petty

Look I could take Petty or Claravino and not really still sure who I have higher. Both are good young defenders who can intercept and use offensively.

# 54 - Hayden McLean

breaks my golden rule of not bothering to draft key forwards late in the draft but think this guy is serious unders. I like a hard working forward who runs hard and is smart when he leads. Hayden ticks those.


# 59 - Ben Paton

Been a big fan of the kid all year. He is that ball running, skilled defensive half player. I think he is a smokey to play very quickly.


# 78 - Jordan Johnston

Dont think t Brown will get bid in the ND at this stag hence we will take as a rookie. I think this kid is special. I would hit him for sure. Real tempo type player who is at it all day long. Has been been injured a lot and hasn't really had a good run at it. Very competitive and a lot to work with.

having said that there are some state based types like Barry, Kelly and Bewley I would look at.

northpie
 
Wanted to update where I think we are at and what the focus should be for us in the remainder of trade and draft period.

Before I do the context of my views is based on the below best 22 for 2018 and our current list. Personally I am bullish on the list if they can stay fit and improve their ball transition - particularly into the forwards. All the data out of 2017 points to that being our big issue. Fix that and the below group can play finals.

2018 Best 22

B Goldsack - Dunn - Varcoe
HB Scharenberg - Reid - Howe
C Sidebottom - Pendlebury - Maynard
R Grundy - Adams - Treloar
HF Wells - Moore - De Goey
F Fasolo - Cox - Elliott

Int Hoskin-Elliott - Crisp - Daicos - Phillips

Remaining list depth;

Backs - McClarty, Langdon, Smith, Oxley, Sinclair, Ramsay
Forwards - Broomhead, Brown, Kirby, Crocker, Blair, Mayne,
Mids - Wills, Aish, Greenwood, Sier
Rucks - Lynch


What are the deficiencies

The key areas the club needs to address is spine, skill and to some extent speed. Murray is a recruit with that in mind. Think a very strong chance he will be tried back and forward over pre season. Did well in back half for Swans NEAFL side.

To that end i think the below is what I would be doing around delistings.


Delisting's

Already have Mackie, White, Schade, McCarthy and Keefe gone.

I would add Blair, Sinclair, Ramsay, Oxley and Sier to that list and consider redrafting Sier or Sinclair.

Reality if neither Ramsay or Sinclair are good ball users and the recruitment of Murray doesn't bode well. Oxley isn't quick and has to many in front of him and Sier just hasn't shown enough but like Sinclair would think about redrafting.


Who would I dangle for trades

Based on the above best 22 I think we have a number of players we should be seeking trades for in order to either get in other players that better fit our needs or better still improve draft picks to those we have presently.

We simply have to many players in this middle band who aren't going to get decent game time and are chewing up dollars. To that end I would look at moving 2-4 of the below on.

Cox (only in one circumstance)
Langdon
Phillips
Broomhead
Aish
Smith
Greenwood
and of course Mayne


Trade Targets

Schache - I am not a massive fan of getting him with the use of pick 6 or Matt Scharenberg. I have to many reservations about him but I know some people close to him (who would know) think he is a player. For mine the best way to get him would be to see if Lions would come at Cox and Langdon. If a pick could be cultivated via some of the other names above that could help as would a 2018 2nd rounder I suspect.

Lynch - Done. Throw this year and next year first rounder. If could get something back great - if not all good.

Tomlinson - I think we are more linked than people think but for mine I dont think so. Price will be high given he is in contract and am a believer his best spot is HB or Wing. He doesn't fit my criteria.

Wigg - I really like this kid and would look at a swap of Aish for him if possible. Wigg is a really talented ball user out of the back half from SA who is currently with Crows. He would really help with our ball transition and i see him as a Shane Biggs type recruit.

Crameri - bit unsure exactly how you would get him but I think he would be a useful player in our 22 as a sort of transition player from the mids to the forward. Wouldn't cost much and he'd be one I would want to work on.

Close - I think he is one we have been linked with and I am 50:50. Lions played him forward but i think he is a key back. I would look at him if that was the role you would be looking at for him.


Delisted / Uncontracted

Sam Collins - Victim of rebuilding / Brennan Cox. I like Sam and his WAFL form this year was v good and we saw what he offered last year. Again would take with a rookie selection.

Michael Talia - Saw some of his NEAFL form. Surprised been delisted. Would certainly take with last rookie pick.

Zac Clarke - We probably need another ruck prospect but for mine I would look to the draft.

Mullett - I would look at but I think there are some question marks around intensity.


Draft targets

# 6 - Stephenson.

I really like him. He is explosive, has huge scope to get stronger, showed he can compete inside and out and play good minutes in the midfield. But I would be very happy with any of Cerra, Fogarty, Brander, Stephenson, Coffield, Balta or Bonar.


#36 - Harrison Petty

Look I could take Petty or Claravino and not really still sure who I have higher. Both are good young defenders who can intercept and use offensively.

# 54 - Hayden McLean

breaks my golden rule of not bothering to draft key forwards late in the draft but think this guy is serious unders. I like a hard working forward who runs hard and is smart when he leads. Hayden ticks those.


# 59 - Ben Paton

Been a big fan of the kid all year. He is that ball running, skilled defensive half player. I think he is a smokey to play very quickly.


# 78 - Jordan Johnston

Dont think t Brown will get bid in the ND at this stag hence we will take as a rookie. I think this kid is special. I would hit him for sure. Real tempo type player who is at it all day long. Has been been injured a lot and hasn't really had a good run at it. Very competitive and a lot to work with.

having said that there are some state based types like Barry, Kelly and Bewley I would look at.

northpie
Who is this Murray that you don't like as a recruit?
 

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Thanks for that , great info as always

Schache seems a real risk reward option and hard to value. Cox ahead of him currently but who knows going forward. Rolling the dice on him at a reasonble price seems an option

Langdon and Shaz are neck and neck and either could be used in the trade setting. I like langdons better pace and intensity at the ball overall but at this point not much seperates them going forward. I know you have always been pretty bullish on Shaz but how do you see the comparison between the two currently and do you still have Shaz as your clear prefernece.
 
Great job snoop, just on your draft choices I'd much rather Claravino at 36 than Petty as I feel hes smarter and stronger. I'd also love if we picked up Hamish Brayshaw with our last pick or in the rookie
 
Just on Wigg, the Crows aren’t offering him a contract. Reckon he could be picked up for next to nothing. Would prefer we try to make something of Aish rather than trade him for a player who’s unwanted by Adelaide anyway.
 
Great job snoop, just on your draft choices I'd much rather Claravino at 36 than Petty as I feel hes smarter and stronger. I'd also love if we picked up Hamish Brayshaw with our last pick or in the rookie

Clav has question marks over his hardness and has the lowest long kick percentage of all national combine invitees.
 
Just on Wigg, the Crows aren’t offering him a contract. Reckon he could be picked up for next to nothing. Would prefer we try to make something of Aish rather than trade him for a player who’s unwanted by Adelaide anyway.
But we don't need is Aish we need a running half back more so, at worst I think we should offer up Aish if not for Wigg then something we need
 
I agree with Snoop, Petty is the man, I just have a feeling he won't be there at #36. Paton seems like our typical late selection based on his VFL with us and being ready to play asap. As I've said I'd like Coff with #6 but I think Tyler will cost us our other pick in the 50s.

If we go Coff we might not go Paton. I'll throw a bit of a surprise and say Kane Farrell.

Coff, Petty, Farrell, Brown probably the four. Need to remember Cox is a rookie upgrade too.
 
But we don't need is Aish we need a running half back more so, at worst I think we should offer up Aish if not for Wigg then something we need
I have no issue with Trading Aish if we can get value for him. Trading him for an unwanted player in Wigg though, would be poor list management.
 
Who is this Murray that you don't like as a recruit?

Sam Murray, Sydney rookie, and I don't think it was about him, rather that if we're recruiting him as suggested it could have implications for Sinclair and Ramsay.
 
I have no issue with Trading Aish if we can get value for him. Trading him for an unwanted player in Wigg though, would be poor list management.
Agreed, think the club will be wary of such trading in this time around - and I'd say Aish would have currency at the right club as we don't need him
 

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Agreed, think the club will be wary of such trading in this time around - and I'd say Aish would have currency at the right club as we don't need him

There are lot of Players on our list we don't need
 
I agree with Snoop, Petty is the man, I just have a feeling he won't be there at #36. Paton seems like our typical late selection based on his VFL with us and being ready to play asap. As I've said I'd like Coff with #6 but I think Tyler will cost us our other pick in the 50s.

If we go Coff we might not go Paton. I'll throw a bit of a surprise and say Kane Farrell.

Coff, Petty, Farrell, Brown probably the four. Need to remember Cox is a rookie upgrade too.

I don't think taking Coffield precludes us from taking Paton also. We have a need for both a half back and back pocket. I see Coffield more at half back and Paton in a pocket. I reckon there may also be a transition of Coffield into midfield. So there is scope for both in my view. If we take Petty also we've really built our future defence in a draft.

That said I expect Petty to go earlier than our 30's pick. And given Patons combine testing our 50's pick may also be a challenge.

If we could snare Coffield/Petty/Paton, and then Lynch next year, i'd be really bullish about our chances!
 
I don't think taking Coffield precludes us from taking Paton also. We have a need for both a half back and back pocket. I see Coffield more at half back and Paton in a pocket. I reckon there may also be a transition of Coffield into midfield. So there is scope for both in my view. If we take Petty also we've really built our future defence in a draft.

That said I expect Petty to go earlier than our 30's pick. And given Patons combine testing our 50's pick may also be a challenge.

If we could snare Coffield/Petty/Paton, and then Lynch next year, i'd be really bullish about our chances!
Psst Farrell blistering numbers at the combine with a penetrating canon, Petty not there at 37 according to Knightmare but he'd love him to be
 
Psst Farrell blistering numbers at the combine with a penetrating canon, Petty not there at 37 according to Knightmare but he'd love him to be

Any footage of Farrell?

Knightmare has Petty a fair bit higher than other phantoms. But I tend to agree with his assessment. The other phantoms have me hopeful he'll fall though.
 
Wanted to update where I think we are at and what the focus should be for us in the remainder of trade and draft period.

Before I do the context of my views is based on the below best 22 for 2018 and our current list. Personally I am bullish on the list if they can stay fit and improve their ball transition - particularly into the forwards. All the data out of 2017 points to that being our big issue. Fix that and the below group can play finals.

2018 Best 22

B Goldsack - Dunn - Varcoe
HB Scharenberg - Reid - Howe
C Sidebottom - Pendlebury - Maynard
R Grundy - Adams - Treloar
HF Wells - Moore - De Goey
F Fasolo - Cox - Elliott

Int Hoskin-Elliott - Crisp - Daicos - Phillips

Remaining list depth;

Backs - McClarty, Langdon, Smith, Oxley, Sinclair, Ramsay
Forwards - Broomhead, Brown, Kirby, Crocker, Blair, Mayne,
Mids - Wills, Aish, Greenwood, Sier
Rucks - Lynch


What are the deficiencies

The key areas the club needs to address is spine, skill and to some extent speed. Murray is a recruit with that in mind. Think a very strong chance he will be tried back and forward over pre season. Did well in back half for Swans NEAFL side.

To that end i think the below is what I would be doing around delistings.


Delisting's

Already have Mackie, White, Schade, McCarthy and Keefe gone.

I would add Blair, Sinclair, Ramsay, Oxley and Sier to that list and consider redrafting Sier or Sinclair.

Reality if neither Ramsay or Sinclair are good ball users and the recruitment of Murray doesn't bode well. Oxley isn't quick and has to many in front of him and Sier just hasn't shown enough but like Sinclair would think about redrafting.


Who would I dangle for trades

Based on the above best 22 I think we have a number of players we should be seeking trades for in order to either get in other players that better fit our needs or better still improve draft picks to those we have presently.

We simply have to many players in this middle band who aren't going to get decent game time and are chewing up dollars. To that end I would look at moving 2-4 of the below on.

Cox (only in one circumstance)
Langdon
Phillips
Broomhead
Aish
Smith
Greenwood
and of course Mayne


Trade Targets

Schache - I am not a massive fan of getting him with the use of pick 6 or Matt Scharenberg. I have to many reservations about him but I know some people close to him (who would know) think he is a player. For mine the best way to get him would be to see if Lions would come at Cox and Langdon. If a pick could be cultivated via some of the other names above that could help as would a 2018 2nd rounder I suspect.

Lynch - Done. Throw this year and next year first rounder. If could get something back great - if not all good.

Tomlinson - I think we are more linked than people think but for mine I dont think so. Price will be high given he is in contract and am a believer his best spot is HB or Wing. He doesn't fit my criteria.

Wigg - I really like this kid and would look at a swap of Aish for him if possible. Wigg is a really talented ball user out of the back half from SA who is currently with Crows. He would really help with our ball transition and i see him as a Shane Biggs type recruit.

Crameri - bit unsure exactly how you would get him but I think he would be a useful player in our 22 as a sort of transition player from the mids to the forward. Wouldn't cost much and he'd be one I would want to work on.

Close - I think he is one we have been linked with and I am 50:50. Lions played him forward but i think he is a key back. I would look at him if that was the role you would be looking at for him.


Delisted / Uncontracted

Sam Collins - Victim of rebuilding / Brennan Cox. I like Sam and his WAFL form this year was v good and we saw what he offered last year. Again would take with a rookie selection.

Michael Talia - Saw some of his NEAFL form. Surprised been delisted. Would certainly take with last rookie pick.

Zac Clarke - We probably need another ruck prospect but for mine I would look to the draft.

Mullett - I would look at but I think there are some question marks around intensity.


Draft targets

# 6 - Stephenson.

I really like him. He is explosive, has huge scope to get stronger, showed he can compete inside and out and play good minutes in the midfield. But I would be very happy with any of Cerra, Fogarty, Brander, Stephenson, Coffield, Balta or Bonar.


#36 - Harrison Petty

Look I could take Petty or Claravino and not really still sure who I have higher. Both are good young defenders who can intercept and use offensively.

# 54 - Hayden McLean

breaks my golden rule of not bothering to draft key forwards late in the draft but think this guy is serious unders. I like a hard working forward who runs hard and is smart when he leads. Hayden ticks those.


# 59 - Ben Paton

Been a big fan of the kid all year. He is that ball running, skilled defensive half player. I think he is a smokey to play very quickly.


# 78 - Jordan Johnston

Dont think t Brown will get bid in the ND at this stag hence we will take as a rookie. I think this kid is special. I would hit him for sure. Real tempo type player who is at it all day long. Has been been injured a lot and hasn't really had a good run at it. Very competitive and a lot to work with.

having said that there are some state based types like Barry, Kelly and Bewley I would look at.

northpie
Hey Snoop, with the players already delisted, plus your recommendations, that would make a list change of 12-14 players, a staggering number. Given Pendlebury's comments about list stability, it seems you will be disappointed.
Do you really think our list warrants such a major change?
 
Finals football
I'm impressed by how far the intensity has risen. I watched a game about of TAC Cup about 7 years ago and I remember walking away and reading draft profiles about guys being future gun AFL inside mids. I remember thinking, "How the hell can you tell? Noone's hitting it hard. Joel Selwood would have won every single one of those clearances."
 
Wanted to update where I think we are at and what the focus should be for us in the remainder of trade and draft period.

Before I do the context of my views is based on the below best 22 for 2018 and our current list. Personally I am bullish on the list if they can stay fit and improve their ball transition - particularly into the forwards. All the data out of 2017 points to that being our big issue. Fix that and the below group can play finals.

2018 Best 22

B Goldsack - Dunn - Varcoe
HB Scharenberg - Reid - Howe
C Sidebottom - Pendlebury - Maynard
R Grundy - Adams - Treloar
HF Wells - Moore - De Goey
F Fasolo - Cox - Elliott

Int Hoskin-Elliott - Crisp - Daicos - Phillips

Remaining list depth;

Backs - McClarty, Langdon, Smith, Oxley, Sinclair, Ramsay
Forwards - Broomhead, Brown, Kirby, Crocker, Blair, Mayne,
Mids - Wills, Aish, Greenwood, Sier
Rucks - Lynch


What are the deficiencies

The key areas the club needs to address is spine, skill and to some extent speed. Murray is a recruit with that in mind. Think a very strong chance he will be tried back and forward over pre season. Did well in back half for Swans NEAFL side.

To that end i think the below is what I would be doing around delistings.


Delisting's

Already have Mackie, White, Schade, McCarthy and Keefe gone.

I would add Blair, Sinclair, Ramsay, Oxley and Sier to that list and consider redrafting Sier or Sinclair.

Reality if neither Ramsay or Sinclair are good ball users and the recruitment of Murray doesn't bode well. Oxley isn't quick and has to many in front of him and Sier just hasn't shown enough but like Sinclair would think about redrafting.


Who would I dangle for trades

Based on the above best 22 I think we have a number of players we should be seeking trades for in order to either get in other players that better fit our needs or better still improve draft picks to those we have presently.

We simply have to many players in this middle band who aren't going to get decent game time and are chewing up dollars. To that end I would look at moving 2-4 of the below on.

Cox (only in one circumstance)
Langdon
Phillips
Broomhead
Aish
Smith
Greenwood
and of course Mayne


Trade Targets

Schache - I am not a massive fan of getting him with the use of pick 6 or Matt Scharenberg. I have to many reservations about him but I know some people close to him (who would know) think he is a player. For mine the best way to get him would be to see if Lions would come at Cox and Langdon. If a pick could be cultivated via some of the other names above that could help as would a 2018 2nd rounder I suspect.

Lynch - Done. Throw this year and next year first rounder. If could get something back great - if not all good.

Tomlinson - I think we are more linked than people think but for mine I dont think so. Price will be high given he is in contract and am a believer his best spot is HB or Wing. He doesn't fit my criteria.

Wigg - I really like this kid and would look at a swap of Aish for him if possible. Wigg is a really talented ball user out of the back half from SA who is currently with Crows. He would really help with our ball transition and i see him as a Shane Biggs type recruit.

Crameri - bit unsure exactly how you would get him but I think he would be a useful player in our 22 as a sort of transition player from the mids to the forward. Wouldn't cost much and he'd be one I would want to work on.

Close - I think he is one we have been linked with and I am 50:50. Lions played him forward but i think he is a key back. I would look at him if that was the role you would be looking at for him.


Delisted / Uncontracted

Sam Collins - Victim of rebuilding / Brennan Cox. I like Sam and his WAFL form this year was v good and we saw what he offered last year. Again would take with a rookie selection.

Michael Talia - Saw some of his NEAFL form. Surprised been delisted. Would certainly take with last rookie pick.

Zac Clarke - We probably need another ruck prospect but for mine I would look to the draft.

Mullett - I would look at but I think there are some question marks around intensity.


Draft targets

# 6 - Stephenson.

I really like him. He is explosive, has huge scope to get stronger, showed he can compete inside and out and play good minutes in the midfield. But I would be very happy with any of Cerra, Fogarty, Brander, Stephenson, Coffield, Balta or Bonar.


#36 - Harrison Petty

Look I could take Petty or Claravino and not really still sure who I have higher. Both are good young defenders who can intercept and use offensively.

# 54 - Hayden McLean

breaks my golden rule of not bothering to draft key forwards late in the draft but think this guy is serious unders. I like a hard working forward who runs hard and is smart when he leads. Hayden ticks those.


# 59 - Ben Paton

Been a big fan of the kid all year. He is that ball running, skilled defensive half player. I think he is a smokey to play very quickly.


# 78 - Jordan Johnston

Dont think t Brown will get bid in the ND at this stag hence we will take as a rookie. I think this kid is special. I would hit him for sure. Real tempo type player who is at it all day long. Has been been injured a lot and hasn't really had a good run at it. Very competitive and a lot to work with.

having said that there are some state based types like Barry, Kelly and Bewley I would look at.

northpie
Always like your addition in terms of input Snoop or shall we call you Snoke? Haha

Anyhow, a couple of questions if I may. Not to troll but more so still cutting my teeth with players, club, draft, trade etc.

Firstly, Cox and consider trade. Wasn't there some minor problem with visa if he swapped clubs?

Your recommendation on taking a mid at pick 6 over a KPP, do we need another mid? Or you value this commodity and there can never be enough?

Your position on Mayne? Or proposed solution if any. Given we have to account for all or portion of his salary in our cap even if we move him on.

Lastly, whilst I am not an avocate but understand clubs are bigger than the player especially these days. Would you see any merit in trading Pendles? If so, who would you target?

Other side to this is if we keep Pendles, do you find his best is also as our Captain? If you think he's our best man for the role, why? If not, why so and who would be a formidable successor?
 

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