Snoop Dog List Management Analysis inc FA / Draft / Trade

[Prochard123]

Will still get 3-4 good years out of him imo. If a team thinks they are 1 gun mid away from going all the way (Adelaide) they will pay

3 or 4 years is a really big call. Even then I dont think you will get that from him.

 

[MadDogMundez]

No Brian is not.

Are you hearing anything?

 

[BEEG]

Are you hearing anything?

Nope nothing at all atm, the only thing I heard was that Lever was unlikely this was 5 weeks ago, I was told Melbourne and Dogs were the clear leaders.

I was told we made a big play at May.

 

[Dogs_Playing_Poker]

Where is Jesse White currently at? Will he be persisted with next season? I think he has too much upside to get rid of. I would really love to see him trialled at centre half back with the remaining games in the VFL this season. If I remember correctly he was trialled there last season in the twos and was in the best three weeks in a row, then came into the seniors as a forward. We have all seen Liam Jones current form since switching as a forward to a defender and lets be honest Jesse White is a much better player than Jones. Nothing really to lose just have a crack and spin the magnet!

 

[soreplums]

Where is Jesse White currently at? Will he be persisted with next season? I think he has too much upside to get rid of. I would really love to see him trialled at centre half back with the remaining games in the VFL this season. If I remember correctly he was trialled there last season in the twos and was in the best three weeks in a row, then came into the seniors as a forward. We have all seen Liam Jones current form since switching as a forward to a defender and lets be honest Jesse White is a much better player than Jones. Nothing really to lose just have a crack and spin the magnet!

There were patches where he Looked to be training as a defender yesterday

 

[doodles98]

Where is Jesse White currently at? Will he be persisted with next season? I think he has too much upside to get rid of. I would really love to see him trialled at centre half back with the remaining games in the VFL this season. If I remember correctly he was trialled there last season in the twos and was in the best three weeks in a row, then came into the seniors as a forward. We have all seen Liam Jones current form since switching as a forward to a defender and lets be honest Jesse White is a much better player than Jones. Nothing really to lose just have a crack and spin the magnet!

He will be delisted. He's 30 and playing average footy in the VFL. I'm not seeing your upside there.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

He will be delisted. He's 30 and playing average footy in the VFL. I'm not seeing your upside there.

You just don't like Whites

 

[mike123]

Lyons averaging 26 disposals, 5 tackles, 4 marks and 5 score involvements per game this year. He's as much of a reject as Witts was, wanting to leave for more opportunity. Both good players flourishing now they've been given a shot.

He's a ball butcher, Crows fans were quite happy to see the back of him. I don't think a scrubber getting useless possessions is what Carlton needed.


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[Unknown Identity]

There were patches where he Looked to be training as a defender yesterday

Named in the back pocket in the VFL so that would make sense.

 

[Mukesh]

Named in the back pocket in the VFL so that would make sense.

I hope they persist with it..for Jessie's sake...it's basically his last chance...

 

[MagpieBat]

Named in the back pocket in the VFL so that would make sense.

Eh, Keeffe gets named at CHB from from time to time yet plays up forward like clockwork. It means nothing.

Having said that, a switch (back) to defence is pretty much his only chance of hanging on for another year...

 

[4#Didak#4]

Maybe he's not?

OK, so Sidey will be 27 in January 2017 and has a few years of good footy in him. Gibbs will be slightly older at 29 by the time season starts too. Lever is definitely worth a high Rd 1 pick at worst. So perhaps Sidey (worth pick 5 -10) is a worth straight swap more or less for Lever (Top 10)?

Realistically, Sidey won't want to go anywhere and if anything would want to stay in Victoria. So if Crows want Gibbs (worth pick 10-15), and he wants to go home to SA. And Carlscum wanted Sidey, perhaps it should be Carlscum giving us something back in return like you said DPP?

• Pies get Lever
• Carlscum get Sidey (and give 3rd pick to Pies)
• Crows get Gibbs

More doable now?

Thats surely a bannable post.

 

[whiskeytown]

If Lever does choose Collingwood we'd be mad not to get involved in the Gibbs deal imo. He's still contracted and Carlton will likely want more than the Crows can offer for him. I think we'll still have to give up pick 6, but it's all we may have to give up if it goes to Carlton. For pick 6 they may well be willing to give up their second in a reportedly shallow draft.

Collingwood give up pick 6
Carlton give up Gibbs, pick 20 or 21 (depending on ladder position)
Adelaide give up Lever

Collingwood receive Lever
Carlton receive pick 6
Adelaide receive Gibbs, pick 20 or 21

Carlton fans probably won't like it but Gibbs is another year older and his trade value at this point will diminish as each year passes.

Blues don't have a 2nd rd pick this year. Cats have theirs. And they don't have much to trade to earn a 2nd round pick this year.... unless they trade their 1st round down.

Agree they should give up Gibbs.

 

[barrackers]

Where is Jesse White currently at? Will he be persisted with next season? I think he has too much upside to get rid of. I would really love to see him trialled at centre half back with the remaining games in the VFL this season. If I remember correctly he was trialled there last season in the twos and was in the best three weeks in a row, then came into the seniors as a forward. We have all seen Liam Jones current form since switching as a forward to a defender and lets be honest Jesse White is a much better player than Jones. Nothing really to lose just have a crack and spin the magnet!

I missed the first quarter of the twos last week, but White played a variety of positions across the next three quarters.

2nd - key defender with the odd spurt in the ruck. Looked a little lost at times, which isn't surprising given he last played defence at the start of last season. Provided some ok run.

3rd - key forward and ruck.

4th - key forward, ruck, midfield (including one centre bounce), wing. Didn't know how to position himself as a midfielder during the stoppages around the ground.

 

[Nuffsaid]

Some of these no-names for Geelong can play. They've been in the top four for a decade and sporting far more drafted talent than we are. It's depressing!

 

[Robroy22]

Some of these no-names for Geelong can play. They've been in the top four for a decade and sporting far more drafted talent than we are. It's depressing!

Which ones are u seeing? I'm seeing some scared little boys?

 

[Snoop Dog]

For mine I think we will be delisting

White
Blair
Oxley
Sier
Schade
Sinclair - at best I think he will go to rookie list.
Crocker - I suspect they will persist but chance to go rookie list

and I would listen to any offers for;

Keefe
Langdon
Aish
Broomhead
Ramsay

I think we have a lot of depth on the list but not enough high end talent and from a list point of view I would delist / trade and aim up at getting more high end talent via trade / draft and Free agency and clear some space on the list.

Lever or McGovern would be a priority. I would prefer Lever because I think paired with Goldsack and Ben Reid they would control the back. For mine pick 6 and Broomhead would likely get that done. If Scharenberg then think you would get something back through an improved pick.

I would take Sam Reid as a Free Agent. he comes with risks but he is better than White bc he can actually read the ball in flight and move around multiple positions much better.

If there was somehow enough space to take Pittard as a running back that would be icing on the cake but Varcoe can play that role for a while yet.

None of that impinges on making a massive offer for Tom Lynch if he leaves but whilst there is a bit of talk about it you can't bank on it for mine and if they do appoint Buckley it would be madness.

That would give a side like;

B Pittard, Lever, Goldsack
HB Howe, B.Reid, Maynard
C Crisp, Pendlebury, Sidebottom
HF De Goey, Moore, Wells
F Fasolo, S.Reid, Elliott
Foll Grundy, Adams, Treloar
Int Scharenberg, Varcoe, Hoskin-Elliott, Greenwood

Depth

Mature - Dunn, Phillips, Thomas, Sinclair, Smith, Wills, Mayne
Kids - Kirby, Daicos, McCarthy, Crocker, McClarty

That would give you 30-32 senior / mature bodies and leave 10-12 spots for some kids. Reality is wouldn't make that many changes but the first priority should be to improve that best 22 and then aim for 10 more senior / mature types that can play at any stage with the balance as kids. This year not a bad year to have 5-6 picks between 20-50.

 

[Apex36]

For mine I think we will be delisting

White
Blair
Oxley
Sier
Schade
Sinclair - at best I think he will go to rookie list.
Crocker - I suspect they will persist but chance to go rookie list

and I would listen to any offers for;

Keefe
Langdon
Aish
Broomhead
Ramsay

I think we have a lot of depth on the list but not enough high end talent and from a list point of view I would delist / trade and aim up at getting more high end talent via trade / draft and Free agency and clear some space on the list.

Lever or McGovern would be a priority. I would prefer Lever because I think paired with Goldsack and Ben Reid they would control the back. For mine pick 6 and Broomhead would likely get that done. If Scharenberg then think you would get something back through an improved pick.

I would take Sam Reid as a Free Agent. he comes with risks but he is better than White bc he can actually read the ball in flight and move around multiple positions much better.

If there was somehow enough space to take Pittard as a running back that would be icing on the cake but Varcoe can play that role for a while yet.

None of that impinges on making a massive offer for Tom Lynch if he leaves but whilst there is a bit of talk about it you can't bank on it for mine and if they do appoint Buckley it would be madness.

That would give a side like;

B Pittard, Lever, Goldsack
HB Howe, B.Reid, Maynard
C Crisp, Pendlebury, Sidebottom
HF De Goey, Moore, Wells
F Fasolo, S.Reid, Elliott
Foll Grundy, Adams, Treloar
Int Scharenberg, Varcoe, Hoskin-Elliott, Greenwood

Depth

Mature - Dunn, Phillips, Thomas, Sinclair, Smith, Wills, Mayne
Kids - Kirby, Daicos, McCarthy, Crocker, McClarty

That would give you 30-32 senior / mature bodies and leave 10-12 spots for some kids. Reality is wouldn't make that many changes but the first priority should be to improve that best 22 and then aim for 10 more senior / mature types that can play at any stage with the balance as kids. This year not a bad year to have 5-6 picks between 20-50.

Why have you ft Phillips listed as mature age and Crocker listed as kids? Aren't they the same age???

 

[ZerokooL]

Thats surely a bannable post.

That's a throw away line. Perhaps I should have explained my logic in more detail.

Trading Sidebottom is a hypothetical which doesn't suggest that I want that to necessarily happen, or that I don't love the club any less than anybody else here. Sure some may find it contentious, however it stimulates debate and discussion.

Sure, I agree there is a fine line that a club must maintain with loyalty to players and supporters etc.. to manage equilibrium, but winning premierships is business and sometimes very difficult decisions need to be made for the greater good.

We have a pretty healthy bunch of mids now (and upcoming) and there is a strong consensus that we're short of a couple of KPPs across the board and keeping our 1st Rd pick for this year's draft could land a Brander type KPP?

Although some people would be very disappointed with losing Sidey, an audacious coach/line manager may realise that "you need to give something to get something".

Would this hypothetical trade/draft scenario (with a mature/young variable) be a win or a loss for the club 2018?

In: Lever, Reid, Brander
Out: Sidey, 1st Rd (2017)

I wouldn't have thought this to be bannable?

 

[DaVe86]

I think we should have persisted with White as a defender a year ago. Now, at 29, its realistically too late.

I think he is very handy depth because he is still capable of an odd good game here and then.

But if we recruit a few KPPs over the off season then i think he will definitely be delisted

 

[ZerokooL]

For mine I think we will be delisting

White
Blair
Oxley
Sier
Schade
Sinclair - at best I think he will go to rookie list.
Crocker - I suspect they will persist but chance to go rookie list

and I would listen to any offers for;

Keefe
Langdon
Aish
Broomhead
Ramsay

I think we have a lot of depth on the list but not enough high end talent and from a list point of view I would delist / trade and aim up at getting more high end talent via trade / draft and Free agency and clear some space on the list.

Lever or McGovern would be a priority. I would prefer Lever because I think paired with Goldsack and Ben Reid they would control the back. For mine pick 6 and Broomhead would likely get that done. If Scharenberg then think you would get something back through an improved pick.

I would take Sam Reid as a Free Agent. he comes with risks but he is better than White bc he can actually read the ball in flight and move around multiple positions much better.

If there was somehow enough space to take Pittard as a running back that would be icing on the cake but Varcoe can play that role for a while yet.

None of that impinges on making a massive offer for Tom Lynch if he leaves but whilst there is a bit of talk about it you can't bank on it for mine and if they do appoint Buckley it would be madness.

That would give a side like;

B Pittard, Lever, Goldsack
HB Howe, B.Reid, Maynard
C Crisp, Pendlebury, Sidebottom
HF De Goey, Moore, Wells
F Fasolo, S.Reid, Elliott
Foll Grundy, Adams, Treloar
Int Scharenberg, Varcoe, Hoskin-Elliott, Greenwood

Depth

Mature - Dunn, Phillips, Thomas, Sinclair, Smith, Wills, Mayne
Kids - Kirby, Daicos, McCarthy, Crocker, McClarty

That would give you 30-32 senior / mature bodies and leave 10-12 spots for some kids. Reality is wouldn't make that many changes but the first priority should be to improve that best 22 and then aim for 10 more senior / mature types that can play at any stage with the balance as kids. This year not a bad year to have 5-6 picks between 20-50.

Great analysis Snoop! Did you leave Brown out on purpose or did you accidently overlook him?

 

[Good_Old]

For mine I think we will be delisting

White
Blair
Oxley
Sier
Schade
Sinclair - at best I think he will go to rookie list.
Crocker - I suspect they will persist but chance to go rookie list

and I would listen to any offers for;

Keefe
Langdon
Aish
Broomhead
Ramsay

I think we have a lot of depth on the list but not enough high end talent and from a list point of view I would delist / trade and aim up at getting more high end talent via trade / draft and Free agency and clear some space on the list.

Lever or McGovern would be a priority. I would prefer Lever because I think paired with Goldsack and Ben Reid they would control the back. For mine pick 6 and Broomhead would likely get that done. If Scharenberg then think you would get something back through an improved pick.

I would take Sam Reid as a Free Agent. he comes with risks but he is better than White bc he can actually read the ball in flight and move around multiple positions much better.

If there was somehow enough space to take Pittard as a running back that would be icing on the cake but Varcoe can play that role for a while yet.

None of that impinges on making a massive offer for Tom Lynch if he leaves but whilst there is a bit of talk about it you can't bank on it for mine and if they do appoint Buckley it would be madness.

That would give a side like;

B Pittard, Lever, Goldsack
HB Howe, B.Reid, Maynard
C Crisp, Pendlebury, Sidebottom
HF De Goey, Moore, Wells
F Fasolo, S.Reid, Elliott
Foll Grundy, Adams, Treloar
Int Scharenberg, Varcoe, Hoskin-Elliott, Greenwood

Depth

Mature - Dunn, Phillips, Thomas, Sinclair, Smith, Wills, Mayne
Kids - Kirby, Daicos, McCarthy, Crocker, McClarty

That would give you 30-32 senior / mature bodies and leave 10-12 spots for some kids. Reality is wouldn't make that many changes but the first priority should be to improve that best 22 and then aim for 10 more senior / mature types that can play at any stage with the balance as kids. This year not a bad year to have 5-6 picks between 20-50.

That's some serious off season moves. Lever, Pittard, S. Reid and possibly T. Lynch?

 

[Prochard123]

What would you pay for Lever?

 

[Harambe Pie]

For mine I think we will be delisting

White
Blair
Oxley
Sier
Schade
Sinclair - at best I think he will go to rookie list.
Crocker - I suspect they will persist but chance to go rookie list

and I would listen to any offers for;

Keefe
Langdon
Aish
Broomhead
Ramsay

I think we have a lot of depth on the list but not enough high end talent and from a list point of view I would delist / trade and aim up at getting more high end talent via trade / draft and Free agency and clear some space on the list.

Lever or McGovern would be a priority. I would prefer Lever because I think paired with Goldsack and Ben Reid they would control the back. For mine pick 6 and Broomhead would likely get that done. If Scharenberg then think you would get something back through an improved pick.

I would take Sam Reid as a Free Agent. he comes with risks but he is better than White bc he can actually read the ball in flight and move around multiple positions much better.

If there was somehow enough space to take Pittard as a running back that would be icing on the cake but Varcoe can play that role for a while yet.

None of that impinges on making a massive offer for Tom Lynch if he leaves but whilst there is a bit of talk about it you can't bank on it for mine and if they do appoint Buckley it would be madness.

That would give a side like;

B Pittard, Lever, Goldsack
HB Howe, B.Reid, Maynard
C Crisp, Pendlebury, Sidebottom
HF De Goey, Moore, Wells
F Fasolo, S.Reid, Elliott
Foll Grundy, Adams, Treloar
Int Scharenberg, Varcoe, Hoskin-Elliott, Greenwood

Depth

Mature - Dunn, Phillips, Thomas, Sinclair, Smith, Wills, Mayne
Kids - Kirby, Daicos, McCarthy, Crocker, McClarty

That would give you 30-32 senior / mature bodies and leave 10-12 spots for some kids. Reality is wouldn't make that many changes but the first priority should be to improve that best 22 and then aim for 10 more senior / mature types that can play at any stage with the balance as kids. This year not a bad year to have 5-6 picks between 20-50.

Great analysis Snoop. Your comment about having a bit of depth but not the quality at the top end is spot on. This is particularly true when it comes to our developing/promising key position players (Moore... daylight... McClarty). S. Reid could be a great pickup and I am a huge fan of Pittard because he uses the ball so well coming out of the back third.

That's a throw away line. Perhaps I should have explained my logic in more detail.

Trading Sidebottom is a hypothetical which doesn't suggest that I want that to necessarily happen, or that I don't love the club any less than anybody else here. Sure some may find it contentious, however it stimulates debate and discussion.

Sure, I agree there is a fine line that a club must maintain with loyalty to players and supporters etc.. to manage equilibrium, but winning premierships is business and sometimes very difficult decisions need to be made for the greater good.

We have a pretty healthy bunch of mids now (and upcoming) and there is a strong consensus that we're short of a couple of KPPs across the board and keeping our 1st Rd pick for this year's draft could land a Brander type KPP?

Although some people would be very disappointed with losing Sidey, an audacious coach/line manager may realise that "you need to give something to get something".

Would this hypothetical trade/draft scenario (with a mature/young variable) be a win or a loss for the club 2018?

In: Lever, Reid, Brander
Out: Sidey, 1st Rd (2017)

I wouldn't have thought this to be bannable?

I'm on board with this. If we have one area of significant depth, it is our midfielders and Sidey is one that I don't see improving all that much in the next 3 years. In my opinion, he has reached his zenith and there are a couple of guys (DeGoey, Brown, Phillips, WHE) that could use his minutes in the midfield.

Whilst I think Lever is a priority (if he's keen on coming across), I wouldnt want the cost to be falling out of the top 10 - if trading Sidey makes that happen, I'm all for it.

 

[mike123]

Why have you ft Phillips listed as mature age and Crocker listed as kids? Aren't they the same age???

Phillips is a year older and games wise he's allot more mature as well.


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