Snoops 2016 List Management, Trade and Draft thoughts

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Lachie Keeffe/Keefe/Kefe/Keffe/Keeffey/Keeffie has been promoted to the senior list.]

Welcome back Lachie Quiff...

 

[Snoop Dog]

Hi,

How much midfield time would you give De Goey next year with the recruitment of Mayne as well as health Elliot and Fasolo? Personality I'd like him to have a permanant spot and be that clearance specialist we need. However knowing Buckley anything could happen.

yeah I would like to see him get more. Having said that he struggled there this year and it was when he came back to a HF flank that I thought his footy improved. At junior level I always thought he was a better HF as he likes to lead up at the footy. His ball use through the middle was also an issue and whilst he is a good kick sometimes that frontal pressure throws players skills and I think he might be one. Tough but big pre season for him.

 

[Snoop Dog]

Well my question above just got answered.

That currently brings us to 35 on the senior list. Surely Marsh is delisted and we re-rookie him.

So with 34 list spots, i propose we take one or 2 DFAs (Henderson or Litherland would be my choices) and then take 3-4 draft picks.

Leaves us with 39 primary list players with room to upgrade one rookie pre-season. It means either Mason Cox or Josh Smith are ready to go if required.

Leaves us 2 picks in the rookie draft as well, which one i would use on Will Minson, Luke Lowden or Jack Fitzpatrick as backup ruck. Lowden would be my choice.

Do you see Henderson in the side? Litherland I quite like and given Schade has been delisted thats also interesting. I like Henderson but not sure where he fits in. Would be one of the most skilled in our side though.

 

[Snoop Dog]

One player I think might get taken by us is Tyler Keitel.......would be a nice fit except that he is a WA boy.

 

[Soups]

One player I think might get taken by us is Tyler Keitel.......would be a nice fit except that he is a WA boy.

I see KM thinks he's the best State Leaguer defender. Could he be a direct replacement for Marsh?

 

[12kilos]

Snoop if all goes to plan what do you think?
Using pick 28 key position player, then get the 2 father and sons. Then i would personally like to see us taking a punt on another key positional prospect at 62 on a bit of a rough diamond. Who could still be available at that pick? Also do you think that would be a good idea? Or something the club may look at.

 

[Snoop Dog]

I see KM thinks he's the best State Leaguer defender. Could he be a direct replacement for Marsh?

Yeah I would agree. Question is more is the a DFA who is better than him.

I had him going in his draft year. As a bottom ager he was really promising but fell away a bit in draft year and had some issues I think clubs wanted to see him work on a bit. My mail is has knuckled down, is a good team bloke and you can see it in his footy. For mine always had the talent but maturity just had to develop a bit which is fine / is normal and has happened to him. I'd love us to take him.

 

[Snoop Dog]

Snoop if all goes to plan what do you think?
Using pick 28 key position player, then get the 2 father and sons. Then i would personally like to see us taking a punt on another key positional prospect at 62 on a bit of a rough diamond. Who could still be available at that pick? Also do you think that would be a good idea? Or something the club may look at.

Doing my mock now and looks like Brennan Cox gets to us with the worry coming from the Dogs. People think a touch slow but tested fine. Then take the two boys and I would probably aim for Kietel if didn't think would last to rookie. Jack Maibum another but does he do enough offensively? If we thought he would then I think there are a few who could be around. Clubs still have some questions on Cedric Cox so he is a toughie.

 

[loki04]

Doing my mock now and looks like Brennan Cox gets to us with the worry coming from the Dogs. People think a touch slow but tested fine. Then take the two boys and I would probably aim for Kietel if didn't think would last to rookie. Jack Maibum another but does he do enough offensively? If we thought he would then I think there are a few who could be around. Clubs still have some questions on Cedric Cox so he is a toughie.

Off field or on field questions on Cox snoopy?

Would love for him to slide all the way to one of our later picks. Shares some similar traits to Burgoyne when he was young imo. Could develop into a classy player in time.

 

[TradeDraft]

One player I think might get taken by us is Tyler Keitel.......would be a nice fit except that he is a WA boy.

I remember him doing quite well in the U-18 Champs a Few Years ago but Knock on him he was Slow

 

[Go Woods]

I see KM thinks he's the best State Leaguer defender. Could he be a direct replacement for Marsh?

Not if he will most likely will want to go home in 2 years.....

 

[Soups]

Not if he will most likely will want to go home in 2 years.....

We have been pretty good with the WA kids over the years.

 

[Snoop Dog]

Off field or on field questions on Cox snoopy?

Would love for him to slide all the way to one of our later picks. Shares some similar traits to Burgoyne when he was young imo. Could develop into a classy player in time.

Off field but I cant understand why. He has a great work ethic off the field and is committed to his personal development in the work place. I am thinking some clubs are secretly lighting fires on him as they want him to slide.

 

[Snoop Dog]

I remember him doing quite well in the U-18 Champs a Few Years ago but Knock on him he was Slow

Maturity was his issue.

 

[Snoop Dog]

We have been pretty good with the WA kids over the years.

Thats right and hence why I would defer to a VIC kid as much as I could.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Dfa 1 closes today. Sounds like Henderson to the Hawks and perhaps no other signings at this stage...clubs either playing cards close to their chests or keeping options open as long as possible.

Also sounds like their might be some quality left over in the rookie draft.

 

[Crazy Tails]

Also sounds like their might be some quality left over in the rookie draft.

I think this might be our go with DFAs this off season due to limited main list spots. O'Shea a chance to replace Marsh on main list (if he goes) otherwise we will try and build depth/cover via mature rookies.

I would think a Ruck (Minson/Lowden), KPD (Mitch Brown) and KPF (State league type) should be our targets with our 4 rookie picks.


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[12kilos]

Snoop D! Love you work mate you seem to have your finger on the pulse i have another question for you?
I am conerned Brown junior may not have a happy ending for us.
I could see some prick club playing a bluff and forcing us to pick him at 28 or 29 or whatever our first pick may be?
And i could see Hine if there is good enough key position talent left ,telling that club "you can have him" i dont think we will have the same problems with Daicos junior i am cofident we could pick him up with our 3rd or even our 4th selection.
Just wondering what you think of the possibilities of that happening? If it does what will Hine do?
Also what would be the earliest bid by a opposition club, that would trigger us having to use our first pick on Brown?

 

[Snoop Dog]

Yeah nirvana draft for me would be Shai Bolton or Cedric Cox get through or even a Jordan Ridley and then no bids for Daicos or Brown by the next in which case would think one of Brennan Cox, Elliott Himmelberg or Jack Maibaum would at least be there.

The rookie picks then give us lots of flex to look at a Kietel or DFA defender and there are some that appeal like Litherland, Schade, O'Shea etc. need a ruck and for mine a Minson is one to look at but would even be open to Olongo if still around. Very raw worth developing and then a couple of kids one of which I would love to be a zippy small forward. Willie Rioli, Sam fowler etc

 

[TheSierBear]

Hey Snoop Dog someone said on here a week or so ago that there's a 20 or was it 25% discount for father sons and for a club to force our hand they'd have to bid on Brown at pick 22 to ensure we use our first? Is that right?

 

[Apex36]

Hey Snoop Dog someone said on here a week or so ago that there's a 20 or was it 25% discount for father sons and for a club to force our hand they'd have to bid on Brown at pick 22 to ensure we use our first? Is that right?

You asked this on the trades board too.

Rules state that to match a bid you have to use the next available pick. Left over points from the matched bid determine where your pick gets pushed back to. All picks after 18 have a flat discount of 197 points. If a team bids at 25 we still use 28 to match, and that pick gets pushed back to late in the draft based on the points remaining.

 

[Rusty Beam]

Yeah nirvana draft for me would be Shai Bolton or Cedric Cox get through or even a Jordan Ridley and then no bids for Daicos or Brown by the next in which case would think one of Brennan Cox, Elliott Himmelberg or Jack Maibaum would at least be there.

The rookie picks then give us lots of flex to look at a Kietel or DFA defender and there are some that appeal like Litherland, Schade, O'Shea etc. need a ruck and for mine a Minson is one to look at but would even be open to Olongo if still around. Very raw worth developing and then a couple of kids one of which I would love to be a zippy small forward. Willie Rioli, Sam fowler etc

I love the idea of Willie Rioli as our last pick or via the rookie draft. What do you reckon about Stengle as another option?

I'd been also interested in hearing your opinion snoop as to who you would prefer out of Brennan Cox vs Macreadie (and to a lesser extent Sproule) if both were available?

 

[Snoop Dog]

You asked this on the trades board too.

Rules state that to match a bid you have to use the next available pick. Left over points from the matched bid determine where your pick gets pushed back to. All picks after 18 have a flat discount of 197 points. If a team bids at 25 we still use 28 to match, and that pick gets pushed back to late in the draft based on the points remaining.

MagpieBrute thats spot on albeit thought was 195 points but stand corrected.

 

[Snoop Dog]

I love the idea of Willie Rioli as our last pick or via the rookie draft. What do you reckon about Stengle as another option?

I'd been also interested in hearing your opinion snoop as to who you would prefer out of Brennan Cox vs Macreadie (and to a lesser extent Sproule) if both were available?

Stengle i do like but he will take time whereas I think Rioli has the more immediacy and the same upside to him. I've seen Willie since juniors and he has the skill but his fitness was the big issue. Now that he has that under control he will explode in his football deeds and not his stomach!

Re Cox or Macreadie would be happy with. Macreadie fallen back bc he simply has been pulled from pillar to post with various teams / instructions etc / school this year and its been to much. Last year he was top 5! Hope we do bid him.

Sproule I am ok on but i think he has limitations in his games and goes missing far to much for me to want to bid early on him. I wouldn't be surprised if GWS passed depending on where he got bid.

 

[Snoop Dog]

Snoop D! Love you work mate you seem to have your finger on the pulse i have another question for you?
I am conerned Brown junior may not have a happy ending for us.
I could see some prick club playing a bluff and forcing us to pick him at 28 or 29 or whatever our first pick may be?
And i could see Hine if there is good enough key position talent left ,telling that club "you can have him" i dont think we will have the same problems with Daicos junior i am cofident we could pick him up with our 3rd or even our 4th selection.
Just wondering what you think of the possibilities of that happening? If it does what will Hine do?
Also what would be the earliest bid by a opposition club, that would trigger us having to use our first pick on Brown?

Don't think it will albeit if it did I would be ok with it. On record saying i really rate the kid. He is Tom Liberatore / Jack Viney written all over him / a leader and a player who can go forward and middle. He aint a big kick but he is effective. I would argue he is as good a kick as Jack. Not ideal but think we would take him. For mine the batch from 25-45 are pretty even and both boys fall in that. I also think clubs generally do the right thing and let them passed albeit I could see Essendon / North hitting Daicos and Carlton hitting Brown. They would be my worries.