Autopsy Solid win against Freo

[Superstar swan]

Tmac really needs to adopt a ruckman approach to kicking. Unless it's long, hand it off. That kick to mclean was diabolical and it happens far too often.

He is a great defender and an exceptional mark, but he should leave the kicking to others

 

[caesar88]

Possibly a directive to get to the airport in time for the last plane ?

Were we leaving Amartey, Gulden etc. behind then, as well as the emergencies running laps on the ground for ages afterwards?

 

[The King!]

Mccartin stop kicking the dinky kick's especially across goal

 

[Jewelsbon]

Not each game. But each game at opposing venues. Players are getting chaired off for breaking "irish games records". Surely more can be done for a legend of the game

Reckon it's a great idea

 

[The King!]

Not each game. But each game at opposing venues. Players are getting chaired off for breaking "irish games records". Surely more can be done for a legend of the game

Buddy seems kind of shy and humble for that stuff to happen . Besides he might play on

 

[Superstar swan]

One thing we need to improve on is getting the ball into our best users more frequently and easily.
Most other clubs seem to have plays and directives to get the ball into certain players hands every chance they get. That what we should he doing in regards to blakey and Campbell.

 

[bedford]

One thing we need to improve on is getting the ball into our best users more frequently and easily.
Most other clubs seem to have plays and directives to get the ball into certain players hands every chance they get. That what we should he doing in regards to blakey and Campbell.

Campbell took 10 marks ffs , so someone must've seen him

 

[Superstar swan]

Campbell took 10 marks ffs , so someone must've seen him

Na your right, we should keep having tmac fluff 10m kicks and kick scrubbers across the goal square. Well done

 

[caesar88]

Strange analysis. I really don't know what you're talking about. Cunningham was excellent. And Franklin was not erratic. He had a great game and was our best forward. Fitness was fine. We easily repelled their attempts at a comeback and there was never a point where they were running over the top of us.

Was just how I saw it.

Sooo many times a Freo player would mark it out uncontested on a lead and there would be Cunningham trailing him, arriving a day later to land a spoil. I don't know what the commentators were saying his role was or who he was on but at the ground his role unfortunately seemed to be trailing opponents left, right and centre. Maybe there was some match-up dysfunction going on that often had Cunningham in disadvantaged positions. You'd have to ask Lloyd, Florent, Rampe etc. It was just how I saw it.

As for Buddy, I didn't necessarily mean erratic in a bad way. I just meant he was unpredictable - playing on in moments where others might've just gone back for a shot; handballing back into the contest when logic might've said to handball to the outside; taking on one too many tacklers. It made for a nervous watch where you were thinking "Oh God Bud what are you doing..." But I think it worked. It made Freo's defenders just as nervous as us fans because they didn't know what he was going to do, and, like I said, it made good things happen.

Regarding fitness, it was strikingly obvious to me. You could almost pinpoint the moment late in the third when our run, our repeat efforts etc. just stopped. I'm not sure there's much point denying it, our fourth quarter record this year speaks for itself.

I'm sorry I didn't find it a flawless performance.

 

[bedford]

Was just how I saw it.

Sooo many times a Freo player would mark it out uncontested on a lead and there would be Cunningham trailing him, arriving a day later to land a spoil. I don't know what the commentators were saying his role was or who he was on but at the ground his role unfortunately seemed to be trailing opponents left, right and centre. Maybe there was some match-up dysfunction going on that often had Cunningham in disadvantaged positions. You'd have to ask Lloyd, Florent, Rampe etc. It was just how I saw it.

As for Buddy, I didn't necessarily mean erratic in a bad way. I just meant he was unpredictable - playing on in moments where others might've just gone back for a shot; handballing back into the contest when logic might've said to handball to the outside; taking on one too many tacklers. It made for a nervous watch where you were thinking "Oh God Bud what are you doing..." But I think it worked. It made Freo's defenders just as nervous as us fans because they didn't know what he was going to do, and, like I said, it made good things happen.

Regarding fitness, it was strikingly obvious to me. You could almost pinpoint the moment late in the third when our run, our repeat efforts etc. just stopped. I'm not sure there's much point denying it, our fourth quarter record this year speaks for itself.

Parks looked like he'd run out of puff , hard deck next week as well

 

[Dubai Quacker]

If this is buddy's last season, I think in years to come, he and the football public will regret not making a bit more fuss about it and having a quiet send off. I know Budd is a private guy , its a team sport and he's obviously not trying to make it all about him, but forget once in a lifetime player, there will never be another buddy franklin for as long as the game is played.

He should be celebrated every game and a guard of honour at venues like last night where he will likely never play again.

It's not selfish to say goodbye, the afl world wants to show their appreciation

A private guy?

My good sir - he summons the media to the taking out of his bins!

 

[caesar88]

In the press conference, Longmire mentioned the reason for Gulden playing inside and Mills playing on the wings was due to Mills feeling a bit 'banged up' during the week. So depending on how Mills ups, he might stay on the wing if he is still sore.

Parker and Rowbottom near-death most weeks:

 

[caesar88]

Freo's small forward brigade of Walters, Schultz, Switkowski and Frederick kicked 8.2 and had 23 marks(!) between them. We can be all yay whoopee great win but that return against most of the top sides would have us killed. At ground level in the defensive half we were not good enough and I've already singled Cunningham out but I'm sure the others also bear some responsibility for it.

 

[lazy77]

Was just how I saw it.

Sooo many times a Freo player would mark it out uncontested on a lead and there would be Cunningham trailing him, arriving a day later to land a spoil. I don't know what the commentators were saying his role was or who he was on but at the ground his role unfortunately seemed to be trailing opponents left, right and centre. Maybe there was some match-up dysfunction going on that often had Cunningham in disadvantaged positions. You'd have to ask Lloyd, Florent, Rampe etc. It was just how I saw it.

As for Buddy, I didn't necessarily mean erratic in a bad way. I just meant he was unpredictable - playing on in moments where others might've just gone back for a shot; handballing back into the contest when logic might've said to handball to the outside; taking on one too many tacklers. It made for a nervous watch where you were thinking "Oh God Bud what are you doing..." But I think it worked. It made Freo's defenders just as nervous as us fans because they didn't know what he was going to do, and, like I said, it made good things happen.

Regarding fitness, it was strikingly obvious to me. You could almost pinpoint the moment late in the third when our run, our repeat efforts etc. just stopped. I'm not sure there's much point denying it, our fourth quarter record this year speaks for itself.

I'm sorry I didn't find it a flawless performance.

It definitely wasn't a flawless performance, but we managed to keep them at arm's length in the 4th without too many problems. Many times this season, we'd just roll over in similar circumstances but I thought our fitness largely held up last night. It's a positive sign heading into some important games that will make or break our season.

Cunningham looked good to me. He was involved in everything, particularly in the first half. Schultz got away a few times, though I'm not sure Cunningham should be taking all the blame for that. Otherwise, the defence held up just fine and Cunningham played an important part in linking up from the back. If anything, McCartin's kicking was more of a worry than either Cunningham or Blakey's performance. Blakey wasn't brilliant, but it wasn't his worst game. I thought he played his way into it and did some neat things.

 

[Deccas]

Hayward really showed that the difference between whipping boy "he should be dropped", "talentless hack", "trade him" etc and "incredible" " best on ground" etc is if he can kick straight. Had basically the identical game to his baseline this season except instead of 1.2 he kicked 3 straight. In fairness kicking straight from marks in 50 is probably the most important skill for his role but it shows that he only really needs to work on one thing to become a really very good player.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, I hope he and Heeney spend the whole off season working on kicking for goal. We are a totally different team if those two take 80% of thier chances rather than the 30% it's felt like they have taken this year.

 

[Grand Uncle Horace]

Freo's small forward brigade of Walters, Schultz, Switkowski and Frederick kicked 8.2 and had 23 marks(!) between them. We can be all yay whoopee great win but that return against most of the top sides would have us killed. At ground level in the defensive half we were not good enough and I've already singled Cunningham out but I'm sure the others also bear some responsibility for it.

Hard to tell from tv, but it was hard to work out what our match ups were. I suspect their fwds coach did well to move their smalls about and create confusion.

 

[Grand Uncle Horace]

Hayward really showed that the difference between whipping boy "he should be dropped", "talentless hack", "trade him" etc and "incredible" " best on ground" etc is if he can kick straight. Had basically the identical game to his baseline this season except instead of 1.2 he kicked 3 straight. In fairness kicking straight from marks in 50 is probably the most important skill for his role but it shows that he only really needs to work on one thing to become a really very good player.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, I hope he and Heeney spend the whole off season working on kicking for goal. We are a totally different team if those two take 80% of thier chances rather than the 30% it's felt like they have taken this year.

Had a great first half but was much quieter in the second. Same with Campbell who I noticed playing a lot down back in Q4.

 

[Dubai Quacker]

It definitely wasn't a flawless performance, but we managed to keep them at arm's length in the 4th without too many problems. Many times this season, we'd just roll over in similar circumstances but I thought our fitness largely held up last night. It's a positive sign heading into some important games that will make or break our season.

Cunningham looked good to me. He was involved in everything, particularly in the first half. Schultz got away a few times, though I'm not sure Cunningham should be taking all the blame for that. Otherwise, the defence held up just fine and Cunningham played an important part in linking up from the back. If anything, McCartin's kicking was more of a worry than either Cunningham or Blakey's performance. Blakey wasn't brilliant, but it wasn't his worst game. I thought he played his way into it and did some neat things.

I was struggling to figure out Blakey’s role.

He certainly wasn’t close-checking any opponent & appeared to be playing a defensive zone, presumably looking to interecept.

It worked when Freo bombed it - but we got found out several times when they found a loose man inside 50.

And based on the amount of arm waving and finger-pointing, I think our back 6 was a bit confused too.

Which is a bit odd given we had Rampe and Lloyd back there.

Anyway, it was my only real gripe in an otherwise good performance.

 

[caesar88]

It definitely wasn't a flawless performance, but we managed to keep them at arm's length in the 4th without too many problems. Many times this season, we'd just roll over in similar circumstances but I thought our fitness largely held up last night. It's a positive sign heading into some important games that will make or break our season.

Cunningham looked good to me. He was involved in everything, particularly in the first half. Schultz got away a few times, though I'm not sure Cunningham should be taking all the blame for that. Otherwise, the defence held up just fine and Cunningham played an important part in linking up from the back. If anything, McCartin's kicking was more of a worry than either Cunningham or Blakey's performance. Blakey wasn't brilliant, but it wasn't his worst game. I thought he played his way into it and did some neat things.

Fair enough. As I posted just above, I don't think the defence held up "just fine" in regards to their smalls. It was one area I thought was a weakness for us after many weeks of it being a strength, so maybe it didn't warrant a mention, particularly after a win. Wasn't trying to drag them or anything (I have Cunningham top 5 in the B&F at present and Blakey I've always been a massive fan of).

 

[The King!]

That Frederick seemed to be everywhere for Freo. Handy player .

 

[Kiama Chris]

Freo's small forward brigade of Walters, Schultz, Switkowski and Frederick kicked 8.2 and had 23 marks(!) between them. We can be all yay whoopee great win but that return against most of the top sides would have us killed. At ground level in the defensive half we were not good enough and I've already singled Cunningham out but I'm sure the others also bear some responsibility for it.

I've already commented that I think we got the match ups wrong. Others have also noted that we appeared disorganised and antagonistic towards each other.
I'd like to offer a couple of possible reasons for both.
1) Inadequate preparation both in briefing and training. Practice what you mean to play using our small forwards. Discuss the matchups. Watch vision. Decide roles. If they did it, it didn't show.
2) Wrong matchups. Cunningham should have been on Schultz, not Sonny. Not sure who was on Switkowski. This is where Lloyd can be a liability one-on-one.
For mine this is coaching.
3) On the night is leadership. Much as I'm a fan I've seen Sir Dane get pretty snippy and I wonder if things went off the rails there. Just guessing of course.
I'm not a fan of the "they just had a bad night" school of explanation.

 

[Dubai Quacker]

Just on my Serong point:

Serong: 32 disposals 10 turnovers conceded.

Brayshaw: 26 disposals 0 turnovers conceded.

I know a lot of Serong’s disposals are under pressure from stoppages - but if he was a Swans player, he’d be verging on whipping boy status.

 

[caesar88]

I've already commented that I think we got the match ups wrong. Others have also noted that we appeared disorganised and antagonistic towards each other.
I'd like to offer a couple of possible reasons for both.
1) Inadequate preparation both in briefing and training. Practice what you mean to play using our small forwards. Discuss the matchups. Watch vision. Decide roles. If they did it, it didn't show.
2) Wrong matchups. Cunningham should have been on Schultz, not Sonny. Not sure who was on Switkowski. This is where Lloyd can be a liability one-on-one.
For mine this is coaching.
3) On the night is leadership. Much as I'm a fan I've seen Sir Dane get pretty snippy and I wonder if things went off the rails there. Just guessing of course.
I'm not a fan of the "they just had a bad night" school of explanation.

All good points KC. You're right I was definitely being too simplistic saying Cunningham's game was "absolutely shocking." I just called it as I saw it but I'm not at all discounting the possibility that he was the fall guy a lot of the time for match-up dysfunction (ie the guy left one out with an opponent who isn't his.) As a collective our ground level defenders didn't work well enough but I'll also reiterate that they've been solid as for the last several weeks really, so maybe they're entitled to an off night.

 

[kickthething]

Just on my Serong point:

Serong: 32 disposals 10 turnovers conceded.

Brayshaw: 26 disposals 0 turnovers conceded.

I know a lot of Serong’s disposals are under pressure from stoppages - but if he was a Swans player, he’d be verging on whipping boy status.

This is what people miss w Serong, he gets the ball but often doesn’t hurt you……I don’t think we were too concerned about his numbers.

 

[Grand Uncle Horace]

One nice thing was the margin of 29. I guess post surgery Gus was not able to fly over and may still be in hospital rehab. Hope the win proved a tonic.