For the first half of the season*Saints are 13th on the ladder and 15th for points scored so those statements are pretty accurate
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For the first half of the season*Saints are 13th on the ladder and 15th for points scored so those statements are pretty accurate
Someone told me the Saints win 65% of their games when Max King doesn't play and only 47% when he does play.
Can anyone confirm this?
I just want to know the stat.This feels like a bait comment.
Probably best to look that up yourself.
Even if true, correlation does not equal causation and you wouldn't be able to base an argument on that stat alone.
I just want to know the stat.
Leave others to decide how they want to interpret it.
I don't think it's a Max issue. i think its a coaching issue.. different game plan when he plays and that game plan doesn't work.
10 that played last week (some may have already signed but haven't been announced)
Battle, Butler, Byrnes, Howard, Jones, Membrey, Sharman, Stocker, Webster, Wood
I did the numbers a couple of weeks ago as I thought it was actually higher than 65%, but we lost a few games early this year when he wasn’t playing (amongst many others) and that dropped it down to 60%.I just want to know the stat.
Leave others to decide how they want to interpret it.
I don't think it's a Max issue. i think its a coaching issue.. different game plan when he plays and that game plan doesn't work.
Agree with this analysis.I did the numbers a couple of weeks ago as I thought it was actually higher than 65%, but we lost a few games early this year when he wasn’t playing (amongst many others) and that dropped it down to 60%.
I think it’s now 61.5%, to 47% when he’s been there.
The really fascinating thing I found though was that of the 14 games we’d won from the 23 he’s missed since the start of his career, we’d won 5 of them by 50 points or more.
So a whopping 35% of our wins when he’s been missing have been by 50 points or more.
The percentage of games we’ve won by 50 points or more when he’s played… 12%.
So we win big almost 3 times more often when he’s not there than when he is.
And it’s not as if all of those 50 or more point wins when he wasn’t there were against terrible teams, as 3 of them were against teams in or around the 8.
And two weeks ago we won by 48 points, so it was almost a 6th 50 or more point win from just 16 wins.
By far our two best/most dominant periods since Lyon has returned have been when Max wasn’t playing.
This last period where we’ve won 5 of 7 since he’s gone out, and the start of last year, when we won our first 4, and 6 of our first 8 (with the two losses being 6 and 7 point losses to eventual top 3 teams, Collingwood and Port).
We are soooooooooo much less predictable when it’s Caminiti, Sharman, Membrey, Owens and sometimes Wood as the main marking targets up there.
Agreed
Wretched club …
That’s Round 24 when we knock you out of the finals and Membery kicks the obligatory 6 goals
This post crushed him so hard he deleted his account. Go easy on the poor guy!
It always seems that the teams who don’t make finals but finish strongly take some momentum into next season and do better. Stuff draft picks, well done Saints.Season overall disappointing but finished strongly with Rossy getting them playing a more cohesive and fluent brand of footy.
Encouraging for next season.
We won when it mattered when finals were on the line at the end of both last season and the 2020 season. Won crucial games against good teams to make the 8 each time.They did really well when the pressure was off them to make finals, which is probably the key to their club.
Don’t expect much and they won’t disappoint.
When there is nothing to play for they will give their fans some joy.
This will be the mantra of these Ross Lyon years.
It always seems that the teams who don’t make finals but finish strongly take some momentum into next season and do better. Stuff draft picks, well done Saints.
You got both of them wrong, actually. But well done on beating our reserves side in the last 30 seconds.I got the Membrey bit wrong unfortunately but we were always a Monty to knock the Blues out
You got both of them wrong, actually. But well done on beating our reserves side in the last 30 seconds.
Cheers.Yeah, yeah well done.
It was a bold call which didn’t pay off.
Good luck in the finals.
We’re pretty much in a rebuilding mode (have had a focus of hitting the draft the last two years, and will do so again this year), yet unlike most of the other rebuilding teams, we’ve stayed ultra-competitive for a number of years on end now (11 wins this year, 13 last year, 11 in 2022, 10 in 2021, 10 from 17 in 2020, 9 in 2019), but that means that you don’t get to pick from the pointy-end of the draft, unlike the teams that become a basket case.With the greatest respect, the thread is about the saints finishing mid table and again they've finished mid table.
They have some good players and Ross is finally implementing some systems that are clicking.
Not sure it'll be enough to improve next year as it stands, trade week will give a lot more answers
Pretty much where I was going.We’re pretty much in a rebuilding mode (have had a focus of hitting the draft the last two years, and will do so again this year), yet unlike most of the other rebuilding teams, we’ve stayed ultra-competitive for a number of years on end now (11 wins this year, 13 last year, 11 in 2022, 10 in 2021, 10 from 17 in 2020, 9 in 2019), but that means that you don’t get to pick from the pointy-end of the draft, unlike the teams that become a basket case.
So you essentially get penalised for not becoming an uncompetitive rabble. While the teams that do, basically get “rewarded”. While really good players don’t want to come play for you, as you’re not quite in serious contention.
It’s a very difficult place to get out of.
Pretty much where I was going.
One thing SOS is good at is manufacturing picks so draft and trade should be exciting at least!
Again, out of what?I got the Membrey bit wrong unfortunately but we were always a Monty to knock the Blues out