Teals and independent candidates in 2025 fed election

[MPMonkeys]

What was the margin in the Dutton's electorate last election?

Its 1.7% but really its being propped up by the Greens vote. He will be fine.

 

[Not Important]

You seriously think Tim Wilson will get back in?

sadly, it’s possible. the libs are pouring in big bucks, spreading misinformation, and targeting her at a personal level. wilson is a self-obsessed far-rightist who did sfa for his electorate cos he thought his blue-ribbon seat was his for life.

the issue daniel has is that a lot of libs voted for her cos they loathed morrison. that factor doesn’t apply now. although many don’t like wilson. so here’s hoping.

 

[MPMonkeys]

sadly, it’s possible. the libs are pouring in big bucks, spreading misinformation, and targeting her at a personal level. wilson is a self-obsessed far-rightist who did sfa for his electorate cos he thought his blue-ribbon seat was his for life.

the issue daniel has is that a lot of libs voted for her cos they loathed morrison. that factor doesn’t apply now. although many don’t like wilson. so here’s hoping.

What is about Wilson that is 'far-right'?

 

[peetoo]

Its 1.7% but really its being propped up by the Greens vote. He will be fine.

It’s 3% tpp. No wonder you are ‘confused’

 

[JackFlash]

All Teals must be defeated!

 

[peetoo]

If you don't think that Labor HQ will be desperately trying to distance themselves from the Greens and Teals during the election campaign, then all I can say is please volunteer to be a Labor adviser.

I will repeat - Being associated with the Greens and Teals is a certain vote LOSER for the swing voter.

Quite the ‘advice giver’ aren’t you? I suggest you study basics before getting onto ‘big stuff’

Dutton holds he seat with a 3% margin not 1.7%

 

[MPMonkeys]

Quite the ‘advice giver’ aren’t you? I suggest you study basics before getting onto ‘big stuff’

Dutton holds he seat with a 3% margin not 1.7%

He holds it with a 3.4% margin however the swing needed is 1.7%.
When party people talk about electoral seats they generally talk in the context of 'swing needed', not current margin.

 

[peetoo]

Abbott was only 'deeply unpopular' with those that never would have voted for the Coalition anyway. If someone had said this time last year that Trump would win the election as well as the overall vote and both houses then you would have said they were crazy.
Expect a similar rout in Australia at the next election. And unlike the Democrats, Labor have been given due warning.

Trump was always going to win it was just a question of the republicans being cuckolded by MAGA

 

[Not Important]

What is about Wilson that is 'far-right'?

wilson was policy director of the far-right propaganda outfit the ipa. he remains a member of that far-right outfit and still espouses their far-right agenda.

some reading for you.

https://www.crikey.com.au/2024/03/27/tim-wilson-liberal-candidate-goldstein/

Tim Wilson – modern liberal or con man? - The AIM Network

When George Brandis created a very high-paying job as a human rights commissioner to gift to Tim Wilson without any selection process,

theaimn.com

 

[peetoo]

He holds it with a 3.4% margin however the swing needed is 1.7%.
When party people talk about electoral seats they generally talk in the context of 'swing needed', not current margin.

The question was the margin

 

[peetoo]

Libs thinking some teal seats are agiven - not punishing a three term govt any more.

But one of their ‘faceless men’ let’s slip what they really think of teal electorate voters

"The problem is, it's not the people who've been shut out who are the preselectors of Bradfield. It's the privileged, cosmopolitan global elite, dare I say it, who preselect in Bradfield."

Abbott says teals a one-hit wonder as battle for Bradfield heats up — ABC News

Tony Abbott has declared time on the teal movement, dismissing it as a quirk of the 2022 election as he ramps up support for a prominent conservative in this weekend's "epoch-defining" Liberal preselection.

apple.news

 

[DaRick]

sadly, it’s possible. the libs are pouring in big bucks, spreading misinformation, and targeting her at a personal level. wilson is a self-obsessed far-rightist who did sfa for his electorate cos he thought his blue-ribbon seat was his for life.

the issue daniel has is that a lot of libs voted for her cos they loathed morrison. that factor doesn’t apply now. although many don’t like wilson. so here’s hoping.

I'm a bit out of touch, but doesn't VIC broadly despise Dutton?

And seats like Flynn would embrace Dutton a lot more than seats like Goldstein, or the teal seats in NSW (which are diametrically opposite on social issues).

I think the Coalition will win even without the teal seats. We are going to see 5-10% swings against Labor in the suburban seats. There are almost 40 seats held by Labor with a margin under 10%.

Problem is a lot of those are already held by the LNP, especially in QLD. I would know.

Plus seats like Bennelong/Reid/Chisholm have a decent Chinese contingent, and the Chinese are not exactly pro-Dutton.

Cost of living issues are a serious problem, admittedly.

Abbott was only 'deeply unpopular' with those that never would have voted for the Coalition anyway. If someone had said this time last year that Trump would win the election as well as the overall vote and both houses then you would have said they were crazy.
Expect a similar rout in Australia at the next election. And unlike the Democrats, Labor have been given due warning.

Different countries, different electoral systems.

It will take something ot of the ordinary to achieve that.

But never say never. Abbott was deeply unpopular and didn’t have a great ministerial record either.

I say Abbott because he and Rudd were the only recent changes to get close to 5% overall

Rudd swung 23 seats, Abbott 18. Something in that range taken directly off Labor

Abbott vicariously benefited from the Howard Era's relative stability, while the ALP were tearing themselves apart. They don't seem to be this time, although cost of living issues are a real problem.

Rudd was a Queenslander who won a whole bunch of QLD seats.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Media advertising and campaigning is done at the holisitic level - not at the seat level. Associating Teals and/or Greens (although they are both the same really) with Labor helps LNP in the outer suburban Labor seats which are the main seats in town this election.

Actually, they're quite different. The Teals serve the class interests of high income earners, whereas the Greens serve the class interests of low and middle income earners. These interests happen to intersect for things like climate change and political corruption that harm everybody, but don't necessarily intersect on things like taxation and the power of corporations.

 

[MPMonkeys]

Actually, they're quite different. The Teals serve the class interests of high income earners, whereas the Greens serve the class interests of low and middle income earners. These interests happen to intersect for things like climate change and political corruption that harm everybody, but don't necessarily intersect on things like taxation and the power of corporations.

Haha - The Greens pretend they are class warriors but the reality is they know that none of their proposals re tax would ever be enacted. Therefore their incomes will always be protected.

If anything, they are even more elitist than the Teals.

Noteworthy too that the Teals voted with the Greens more times than with any other party.

 

[peetoo]

Greens v Teals is probably more of a demographic thing than anything else

 

[peetoo]

This aged well in light of social media going totally ‘hands off’

Coalition turns heat up on teals over Labor misinformation bill — The Australian

Opposition communications spokesman David Coleman has called on the teals to rule out supporting any future bid by Labor to pass a misinformation bill.

apple.news

Great stuff reminding teal voters they ‘aren’t liberal’

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Haha - The Greens pretend they are class warriors but the reality is they know that none of their proposals re tax would ever be enacted. Therefore their incomes will always be protected.

You seem to be very adept at reading minds. You could make a very lucrative career out of that.

If anything, they are even more elitist than the Teals.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Labor and the Coalition are poised to launch a major attack on our democracy

This new donations bill will starve small parties and independents of the cash they need to compete while fattening up the coffers of the big players.

www.smh.com.au

Labor and the Coalition using every trick in the book to entrench electoral disadvantage to Teals and other independents.

Jenna Price says if you’re in a Labor or Coalition seat, write to your member immediately and tell them they’ve lost your vote if they collude to pass this seriously dishonest electoral funding reform bill.

 

[peetoo]

Given on going by election evidence the majors are losing votes more rapidly. Do the teals challenge many more seats federally…including labor and greens held?

 

[liz]

Labor and the Coalition are poised to launch a major attack on our democracy

This new donations bill will starve small parties and independents of the cash they need to compete while fattening up the coffers of the big players.

www.smh.com.au

Labor and the Coalition using every trick in the book to entrench electoral disadvantage to Teals and other independents.

Jenna Price says if you’re in a Labor or Coalition seat, write to your member immediately and tell them they’ve lost your vote if they collude to pass this seriously dishonest electoral funding reform bill.

Along with mis and disinformation, campaign financing is, IMO, the main barrier to a healthier democracy. I would love it to be reformed. Just not in the way Labor is trying to do.

 

[JoondalupJ]

Just got my first ‘anti teal’ flyer in the letter box in kooyong electorate.

It’s along the lines of teals will be catastrophic in a minority labor govt. a vote for teal is a vote for greens and labor. Funded by big money in Sydney and Melbourne. Teals mps voting with green and labor much more than with coalition

Tealsrevealed.com.

Presumably this is targeted at the small percentage of voters who switched lib to teal, cos all the arguments they put actually is positive for greens and labor voters who voted tactically either first or subsequent preferences that we are getting exactly what we voted for, and are pretty happy with it.

So the anti teal flyers are actually pro teal for about 40% of the voters letterboxed clap clap clap

Hope for their sake their arguments resonate with the moderate liberal voters who switched (a small percentage) or they are screwed
This after dutton basically sneering at them for 2 1/2 years


Short version: amateur hour

Teals were backed by a billionaire funder

A climate dreamer , who can't see the great
path of earth life, in time where all the climate
disasters have occurred before, over billions of years

Oh before we burnt fossil fuels.

So what is he why is he is it just a political fantasy
he has .
Or does he dislike some in the LNP.

Wonder how he made his millioms of millions.

Maybe Daddy.

Because for some weird reason they or he
as well wanted to put a spanner in the works.

For some hideous ideals they were there to trip at
the finish line the LNP.

They were simply to help the worst government we've
ever had in Australia.
get elected in 2022

 

[CM86]

Teals were backed by a billionaire funder



They were simply to help the worst government we've ever had in Australia. get elected in 2022

Do you take issue with billionaires backing people or parties?
Such as Rinehart, Stokes, Harvey, Packer, Palmer, Pratt, Murdoch etc.


Is Holmes a Court a billionaire?


What are the three most negatively impactful policies of this Government, in your opinion?

 

[JoondalupJ]

Along with mis and disinformation, campaign financing is, IMO, the main barrier to a healthier democracy. I would love it to be reformed. Just not in the way Labor is trying to do.

Thank heavens some real common sense. Everyone should vote for one of the major parties, all we get with independents is groups of single purpose ideals, groups like the Greens who are right off the wall now,not Green anymore.
We get the likes of the one person Islamic Party of Australia, WHAT??

We get the type like the maddening and definitely not doing anything
for anyone who voted for it. Lidia Thorpe.
The teals could be anything , raving lefties or conservatives just sitting waiting to
disrupt or interfere and stymie some things the government wants to do.

So they could be good for the LNP , or good for the ALP. No one knows what they are and the come from everywhere,but have produced nothing. And seemed to help this fellow some call a Prime Minster getelected.

So who ever wins which ever mainstream party they generally have to kowtow to some preference deal with those tiny indi parties that have a tiny minority of brain washed members seeking some one purpose, goal?

The country needs a full mandate for the nations, leader. The Government.

It has to be able to rule. And pass legislation.

Sometimes it is hoodwinked by an independent party, al la our culled GST ,Howard brought in that was poisoned by Meg Lees, and the GST was on the back foot forever.
It should have been on everything. The government would have had more revenue for hospitals and schools and medical health everything in every way could have been really free.

So Meg stuffed up a way to allow a government to make decisions and to stop that government governing.

That is what Independents can do. They put a few bridges up for Mani stream to cross then sometimes they blow the bridge!

 

[CM86]

We get the type like the maddening and definitely not doing anything for anyone who voted for it. Lidia Thorpe.

I think you've made a typo here, if you'd like to correct it.

 

[JoondalupJ]

Do you take issue with billionaires backing people or parties?
Such as Rinehart, Stokes, Harvey, Packer, Palmer, Pratt, Murdoch etc.


Is Holmes a Court a billionaire?


What are the three most negatively impactful policies of this Government, in your opinion?

For starters lying. About energy. And prices
Secondly creating an idea that gave anti Semitic ideas to radicals and half brained rent a crowd
fools who rampaged on the streets in a manner we haven't seen before here like bleeding Nazis.

What else, well his and Wong kowtowing to the corrupt UN, voting for ceasefire after the most horrific crime committed by ambushers to stop Israel from protecting themselves. Israel HAD NO CHOICE.

Look at the arrogance of Hamas handing back prisoners, on TV last night. are you joking , most of the rest will be dead.

That is Albanese he gives allowance by weakness in comment, and backing Palestine in Parliament to the crud those terrorist lovers, the types that thought it was ok to go and instigate riots and threatening Australian Citizens Jewish people too

His scumbaggy Victorian government arresting Jews instead of pro Palestinian colour wearing thugs who probably don't even know what it means.

Gaza is no different to the mass bombings of Hitlers Germans to stop them destroying a whole people. And killing everyone in sight.
Then the VOICE, what a mess and a country splitter into different ideals , ideas giving a people of around 300,000 over the rest of 26 million some special avenue to the government, because they want a say , well what about the 26 million others, IT IS RACIST IN ITSELF , thats what he's done.

Beside climate fraud, his single minded non attempt at involving every single energy source we could investigate. Ohno can't do that we'll close coal , close down even gas exploration we'll build monstrous more wind turbines we ''make people buy electric cars" HEY WHAT?????, and go insane with renewables and nothing else. Hydrogen greeness hahaha falling over.
He also allows a zealot to run the county's energy plans. A man who is fanatically obsessed

And is kept on as minister.

Giles what 'd he do? Another over kill policy from this ALP or what used to be the ALP.
Several thousand people immigrated from Palestine allowed to flood in half baked vetting, of those , some who could be coming for other things like terror, or to commit crimes and they were put on the street, some of them who'd committed crimes. No one knew!!!!!!!!.

Burke and his sucking every ounce of pleasing he can do to get Islamic votes, had a trip to study Palestine somewhere??? Well he should study our ALLIES, Israel too,

What has this government done , hell, I could go on but you take up the cause, what do you reckon without asking for answers from others, whats your take on this Albanese fellow?

He is a failure, a virtue signaller a party boy who is I think as simple as that and is not in charge.

I think his PM "ship was only "give me a turn" What a specimen,
A country race splitter

And photo op fellow, popularising himself but a Politician with nothing. What else do you want.