Teams you think will definitely not make the 8

[Smoocher]

Where is this missing depth?

They have no small forward depth and no key position depth. Over the course of a season you need a good 30 players minimum to have a shot. At best Richmond might scrape into finals and if they can manage to keep best 22 on park they might win a final but realistically this isn't going to happen.

 

[Tas]

I think with Brad Scott at the helm you are definites. Yes you made it in 2012 with Scott but there was a lack of competition that year. This year I can see up to 12 teams competing for the 8 and I think you will miss out.

I think you mean unlikely. Anyone capable of winning 10ish games is always a possibility. Definitely means no hope in hell even if you get a good run of luck.

 

[Hipster Doofus]

They have no small forward depth and no key position depth. Over the course of a season you need a good 30 players minimum to have a shot. At best Richmond might scrape into finals and if they can manage to keep best 22 on park they might win a final but realistically this isn't going to happen.

We've got plenty of depth in both categories, most of it is potential and unproven mature pick ups however.

 

[KillaKanga]

I think you mean unlikely. Anyone capable of winning 10ish games is always a possibility. Definitely means no hope in hell even if you get a good run of luck.

Give up Tas. Calmly stating fact is apparently a tantrum.

To him we're a certainty to miss 8. Cool story bro

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[Engimal]

Collingwood.

 

[Tas]

Give up Tas. Calmly stating fact is apparently a tantrum.

To him we're a certainty to miss 8. Cool story bro

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I don't mind if someone honestly believes that, I was just making sure he didn't mean unlikely or doubtful. Definite is a long way off those two.

 

[KillaKanga]

I don't mind if someone honestly believes that, I was just making sure he didn't mean unlikely or doubtful. Definite is a long way off those two.

He means he hates North and hopes they have another shocker of a season. That's cool I feel the same way about a couple of clubs too. Difference is I don't try to claim that as a fact that that team will certainly miss the finals.

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[boneofshin]

He means he hates North and hopes they have another shocker of a season. That's cool I feel the same way about a couple of clubs too. Difference is I don't try to claim that as a fact that that team will certainly miss the finals.

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Amen.

Essendon definitely will not make the finals though.

 

[Jack_the_Ninja]

Consolidation year for us ( what ever that means ) turning over the list and looking forwards to another tilt 3-4 years time. Not a bad thing as sometimes rebuilds don't bring home the bacon like this last one from left overs of 2006. Watch Freo slide this year and Bulldogs to rise.

 

[crowsforlife]

I agree. Once everyone figures out how clever this call is we'll be hosting AFL 360 together.

I feel like that post is dripping with sarcasm lol

 

[raskolnikov]

I don't mind if someone honestly believes that, I was just making sure he didn't mean unlikely or doubtful. Definite is a long way off those two.

You could probably say that about Essendon, Brisbane and the Bulldogs, who have been mentioned in this thread several times, too. But because I listed North, who I would rate on a par with Brisbane, only slightly above the Bulldogs, and below Essendon, North supporters choose to have a sook.

 

[Brisbane2013]

By a technicality. Your forwardline isn't great.

Bullshit

We have jordan lisle

 

[BLPC08]

I think Brisbane are smokies for the Wooden Spoon. With the mass exodus last year leaving them with almost no depth, all it will take is a few key injuries to Rich, Redden or Rockliff and they'll be in a world of pain. Leppa will need to work miracles to net them the 10 wins they had in 2013.

 

[BLPC08]

Bullshit

We have jordan lisle

I remember Jordan Lisle's first game well. We were playing Freo and he came in for Buddy (who'd be suspended IIRC). He received three lace-out passes 25m in front of goal in the first half; two of the shots didn't score and one scraped in for a behind. He was subbed off early in the last quarter, and we subsequently went on a freakish run to come from 27 points down with 15 minutes left.

He hasn't really shown much since.

 

[Simba Moyo]

I think Brisbane are smokies for the Wooden Spoon. With the mass exodus last year leaving them with almost no depth, all it will take is a few key injuries to Rich, Redden or Rockliff and they'll be in a world of pain. Leppa will need to work miracles to net them the 10 wins they had in 2013.

So Karnezis, Polec & Docherty would cover those injuries? Right. Take out the core of any teams midfield and they'll suffer. I think the mass exodus thing is being overblown way to much, especially to be considered wooden spoon contenders. FWIW I'd back Aish, Robertson & Taylor than the three mentioned above.

 

[Tas]

You could probably say that about Essendon, Brisbane and the Bulldogs, who have been mentioned in this thread several times, too. But because I listed North, who I would rate on a par with Brisbane, only slightly above the Bulldogs, and below Essendon, North supporters choose to have a sook.

Show me on the doll where North supporter have touched you, because you seem to be making illogical decisions based on some emotional factors rather than logical factors.

It is irrelevant how you rate a club or in which position compared to other clubs, all that is relevant is if it is remotely possible within reasonable expectation that you think team X, Y or Z could possibly make the top 8.

I don't rare the Dogs very highly, I think they have scrounged up some wins by just congesting the shit out of games and they have racked up some wins against sides who couldn't deal with it and it will probably work this season as well but I doubt very much they will win enough games to make the top 8. However, it is still possible that they might, even though I think it is extremely unlikely so I do not put them in the definitely category, although I think it is more probable that their season will be shot before their bye.

The only teams who realistically have ZERO chance of making it are teams in full on rebuild mode that really the high end of expectation is 6-8 wins, which is good for a rebuilding side but will be well off the pass mark for squeezing into the top 8, which usually needs 11+ games to make it in.

See, that is the type of logical process that you should articulate when someone asks you why you have put their side in the definite not category and why. You do not have to rate a side for it to be realistically possible for them to make the top 8. Even if we don't make the top 8, it is still realistically feasible that we could make it, people only put teams that could realistically make it because a) they are trolling or b) they are idiots. The only thing we asked for is for you to clarify which column you fit in.

 

[Richo83]

You could probably say that about Essendon, Brisbane and the Bulldogs, who have been mentioned in this thread several times, too. But because I listed North, who I would rate on a par with Brisbane, only slightly above the Bulldogs, and below Essendon, North supporters choose to have a sook.

How the hell do you think this? Even in North's 2013 annus horribilis they thrashed these two teams. For mine North have Brisbane covered in pretty much every department, defense, midfield and forwardline. Brisbane don't have a defender as good as Thompson, nor do they have an up and coming KPF as good as Black, nor do they have the range of small attacking weapons like Thomas and Harvey. As for the midfield, Brisbane's midfield is comprised of Rockliff, Redden, Moloney, Rich, Mayes, and possibly Hanley although he's fairly outside.

North have Cunnington, Ziebell, Wells, Ziebell, Bastinac, NDS, Adams, and that's leaving out Swallow who will still be back for the latter part of the year. It's a much stronger inside division and it's got guys like Wells, NDS and Harvey who can easily cut up teams. I don't like North either but I can completely understand why people are rating North as a top finals chance. And I suggest that the calls for Essendon to miss the eight are due to spite/infractions/pressure from infractions. That said I rate North ahead of Essendon too. It's a side which has a former CHB and a ruckman as its two main KPFs.

 

[Colonial]

Theres 2 classes of "teams not making the 8"

Those who expect or dream to and those who know they wont but want to see improvement from last year (growing)

Saying that the Giants, Demons, Bulldogs, Saints and possibly the Suns wont make the 8 isn't exactly rocket science. Those clubs fans, if they make the 8, would say its a miracle and be over the moon, we just want growth. But clubs other than these who don't make it have a right to be wandering whats going on.

 

[raskolnikov]

Show me on the doll where North supporter have touched you, because you seem to be making illogical decisions based on some emotional factors rather than logical factors.

It is irrelevant how you rate a club or in which position compared to other clubs, all that is relevant is if it is remotely possible within reasonable expectation that you think team X, Y or Z could possibly make the top 8.

I don't rare the Dogs very highly, I think they have scrounged up some wins by just congesting the shit out of games and they have racked up some wins against sides who couldn't deal with it and it will probably work this season as well but I doubt very much they will win enough games to make the top 8. However, it is still possible that they might, even though I think it is extremely unlikely so I do not put them in the definitely category, although I think it is more probable that their season will be shot before their bye.

The only teams who realistically have ZERO chance of making it are teams in full on rebuild mode that really the high end of expectation is 6-8 wins, which is good for a rebuilding side but will be well off the pass mark for squeezing into the top 8, which usually needs 11+ games to make it in.

See, that is the type of logical process that you should articulate when someone asks you why you have put their side in the definite not category and why. You do not have to rate a side for it to be realistically possible for them to make the top 8. Even if we don't make the top 8, it is still realistically feasible that we could make it, people only put teams that could realistically make it because a) they are trolling or b) they are idiots. The only thing we asked for is for you to clarify which column you fit in.

North won't make the finals. It's just my opinion. You can pedantic all you like over terminology but to me they're definites not to make it. As I said, why not make the same accusations to people who have Essendon, Brisbane and Bulldogs in the definites. You just seem to have your panties in a twist because I don't rate your team.

 

[Richo83]

North won't make the finals. It's just my opinion. You can pedantic all you like over terminology but to me they're definites not to make it. As I said, why not make the same accusations to people who have Essendon, Brisbane and Bulldogs in the definites. You just seem to have your panties in a twist because I don't rate your team.

Can you show us why North are seen as having equally legitimate claims of being a top 8 chance as Brisbane or Footscray? I've had a look at all of these three teams' lists, and it just seems obvious to me that North are the better side.

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

I don't rare the Dogs very highly, I think they have scrounged up some wins by just congesting the shit out of games and they have racked up some wins against sides who couldn't deal with it and it will probably work this season as well but I doubt very much they will win enough games to make the top 8. However, it is still possible that they might, even though I think it is extremely unlikely so I do not put them in the definitely category, although I think it is more probable that their season will be shot before their bye.

I disagree with this - our late-season form came on the back of a much more free-flowing, accurate and efficient game style than we played with for the rest of the year. When the big losses started coming - for example against Adelaide and Richmond - we locked down and turned pretty much everything into a scrap, and that's partially what caused our terrible early-season form. We were much more effective in getting the ball on the outside and much more efficient in our delivery - both by foot and by hand - and looked a much better uncontested side late in the year. Our worst form came when we congested the shit out of everything; our best came when we were able to relax a bit more and play more of an outside oriented game. We do still congest when the opposition starts to get on top - but almost every team in the league does this.

Anyway, not trying to argue that we'll make finals or anything of the sort - just that I don't think we got our late season wins on the back of congestion.

 

[Bazzar]

Melbourne, Giants, Bulldogs, Lions, Saints and Carlton have no hope.

 

[Richo83]

I disagree with this - our late-season form came on the back of a much more free-flowing, accurate and efficient game style than we played with for the rest of the year. When the big losses started coming - for example against Adelaide and Richmond - we locked down and turned pretty much everything into a scrap, and that's partially what caused our terrible early-season form. We were much more effective in getting the ball on the outside and much more efficient in our delivery - both by foot and by hand - and looked a much better uncontested side late in the year. Our worst form came when we congested the shit out of everything; our best came when we were able to relax a bit more and play more of an outside oriented game. We do still congest when the opposition starts to get on top - but almost every team in the league does this.

Anyway, not trying to argue that we'll make finals or anything of the sort - just that I don't think we got our late season wins on the back of congestion.

I think the problem with Footscray is that while they're a good contested team, most of their uncontested players are fairly young, or are unreliable (Higgins). So when they get out of the packs, they struggle. They also struggle to cope with teams who don't play much contested football and keep onto the ball. Richmond used this tactic effectively, figuring that if they passed the ball around and not get drawn into contested scraps, they'd win. This why you guys need Macrae, Stringer and Bontempelli to come on.

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

I think the problem with Footscray is that while they're a good contested team, most of their uncontested players are fairly young, or are unreliable (Higgins). So when they get out of the packs, they struggle. They also struggle to cope with teams who don't play much contested football and keep onto the ball. Richmond used this tactic effectively, figuring that if they passed the ball around and not get drawn into contested scraps, they'd win. This why you guys need Macrae, Stringer and Bontempelli to come on.

Yep, I 100% agree with you. It's no secret that uncontested ball is our weak link, but it did improve in the back end of the year. I don't expect to make finals unless the likes of Hunter, Wood (who I don't have a heap of faith in), Tutt (ditto) and Johannisen have big years. We lack pace and Richmond really carved us up with quick ball movement and leg speed (not to mention much more efficient disposal than us). Until we can deal with these sorts of teams, I agree that we'll struggle to take that ultimate step up. I just don't think that the only way we're capable of winning games is by turning it into a scrap, as, as I said, many of our wins came when we moved away from this.

 

[Richo83]

Yep, I 100% agree with you. It's no secret that uncontested ball is our weak link, but it did improve in the back end of the year. I don't expect to make finals unless the likes of Hunter, Wood (who I don't have a heap of faith in), Tutt (ditto) and Johannisen have big years. We lack pace and Richmond really carved us up with quick ball movement and leg speed (not to mention much more efficient disposal than us). Until we can deal with these sorts of teams, I agree that we'll struggle to take that ultimate step up. I just don't think that the only way we're capable of winning games is by turning it into a scrap, as, as I said, many of our wins came when we moved away from this.

Agreed. The problem for Footscray is leg speed and foot skills, what happened when you guys played Richmond is you'd turn it over and you wouldn't get it back. I think you guys have the contested level fine, it's just improving the polish. It would also help going forward if you had decent KPFs.