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Tasmania needs to do everything they can to get Chris Scott no matter the cost.
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I love this.
"Our recruiters are shit so you can't criticise them for not taking Holmes. Oh and just you wait until you see the players we draft this year!"
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Geelong's problem is they rely too much on their gun older players like Hawkins, Stewart and Cam Guthrie. And their only good young player is De Koning. They'd be bottom 4 certainties without them.
Yeah those three and Rohan really carried the young players against Port....
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Just shows if you get two drafts right with pointy end picks you're back in it. Obviously those of arguably the best hauls ever.
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If you're Scott it would have to be stupid money. Assume he lives somewhere on the Coast and would have a heap of cash and getting paid very well.
The biggest reason Geelong are still a contender is Chris Scott.
He' s got to be the greatest tactician of all time.
Cannot think of another coach who can win a flag with such a poor Midfield as in 2022 and now be a PF side with an even worse midfield.
He' s got to be the greatest tactician of all time.
Cannot think of another coach who can win a flag with such a poor Midfield as in 2022 and now be a PF side with an even worse midfield.
For Cats it was TWO drafts NOT one... 1999 & 2001. Between those two drafts we struck GOLD, pretty much 8 All Australian quality type players
2001 draft -
Jimmy Bartel.... pick 8
James Kelly.... pick 17
Steve Johnston.... pick 24
Gary Ablett.... pick 40
Gazza Jnr F/S would have been no more than pick 30 without F/S benefit
PS - In 2006 Hawkins would have definitely gone pick 1, so the Cats got lucky there thru old system by getting Tomahawk and then Selwood pick 7. Today we'd only get one of the two.
Sttew
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Isn’t that the truth. It was like in 2022 Cats debunked the ‘theory’ that the oldest team in n the AFL could win a premiershipThankfully there's more to the sport than just having a star-studded midfield
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Before the 2022 flag, I was thinking if Scott became available he would for sure be able to get another senior coaching gig somewhere. If he does it again this year, I can't imagine any club would say no if he said he wanted to coach them.
Geelong fans, how does the 2011 flag sit in his legacy? I've always considered it kind of right place, right time, right guy. When they won in 2022, I figured it mostly legitimised that flag but that 2022 would sit much higher in terms of his legacy obviously. Now, if he wins this year, I think he's just "Triple premiership coach Chris Scott" and no one can say a word about anything.
I agree. He is very good at the media stuff. Listen to him talk when he is on any of the footy shows and he is an astute observer of other teams and is very likable. I think he would be a perfect fit for them.
I couldn't believe we managed to win a bunch of games early in the season with a midfield of Atkins, Parfitt, Bruhn and Bowes.
He seems to be coaching better and better over the years as well.
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Why do these discussions always end up focusing on war era flags lmao. No one here was alive when the plumbers and milkbar owners were going at it, no one should care
I expected a very mediocre season in 2011. Most people have conveniently forgotten that this was year one of everyone proclaiming that the Cat's period of dominance was over..
Scott took a team that had just been embarrassed by Collingwood, and turned them into literally the only team in the competition that was capable of beating Collingwood.
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When we became a bit long in the tooth and people became sick of both us and him, it started to become popular to write that flag off as one that anyone could have coached us to, especially after a run of prelim finals that we lost and one straight sets exit.
‘That was Thompson’s team, anyone could have coached them to it.’
That was the biggest piece of revisionist history in Geelong’s last 25 years.
We still obviously had a lot of great players but had lost the greatest of them, and 3-4 were no longer selectable, and more than that, Collingwood had steamed past us. To not only beat them on GF day but beat them 3 times - and people also forget that OUR only three losses that year were by a total of 21 points - was huge.
No doubt it was a dream job to land in but we don’t go close to that flag without him.
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Reason why I think he's so highly regarded is because he's now won flags with effectively two different lists. 2011 had baby Selwood, Hawkins and Duncan still around for 2022 but otherwise it was an entirely new lineup. Think of the other multi-premiership winning coaches of the 21st century and they've generally won it in batches with the exact same list. Brisbane, Hawthorn, Richmond, Geelong 07 & 09 under Thompson. Doesn't diminish those coaches in the slightest but winning flags a decade apart with new players where you can't just roll out 90% of the same lineup with the same plan + a few minor tweaks and roll on shows his adaptability.
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For Cats it was TWO drafts NOT one... 1999 & 2001. Between those two drafts we struck GOLD, pretty much 8 All Australian quality type players
Worth remembering for the Richmond supporters drooling over their player exodus turning into draft picks that 2001 was a super draft but the first round still had Graham Polak, Xavier Clarke, Ashley Sampi, Luke Molan, Sam Power, Richard Cole, Ashley Watson, Barry Brooks, Rick Ladson and Shane Harvey.
Hope you have got a good recruiter in charge
Worth remembering for the Richmond supporters drooling over their player exodus turning into draft picks that 2001 was a super draft but the first round still had Graham Polak, Xavier Clarke, Ashley Sampi, Luke Molan, Sam Power, Richard Cole, Ashley Watson, Barry Brooks, Rick Ladson and Shane Harvey.
Hope you have got a good recruiter in charge
There were also a load of very good to elite players available with all of those picks, Dane Swan, Steve Johnson, Sam Mitchell, Montagna, Schneider, Q Stick, Matthew Boyd, Bock, Sandilands, Rutten.
Richond won't expect to nail every pick, nobody would. If they have 6 first round picks and 2 early rd 2 picks in 2024 the will be realistically hoping for 1-2 stars, 2-3 above average players and a reasonable fringe player.
A better and more relevant guide than the 2001 draft might be the 2017 draft that didn't have clear standouts but has produced a lot of very good players. Richmond will be expecting a draft hand along the lines of 1, 9, 10(from freo for Bolton) 6, 26(from Suns for Rioli) 14(from Eagles for Baker) 13(traded for with our later picks to Brisbane for points for Ashcroft) 21 and possibly something else in return for salary assistance for Rioli and or Bolton. It is impossible to predict what the final hand looks like on draft night but let's say pick 17 ends up in there as well and after f/s, academy and f/a insertions it is something like:
1, 7, 11, 12, 16, 17, 21, 28.
And apply that to the 2017 draft you would get a haul of Rayner, H Clark, Bonar, D Fogarty, Ed Richards, Jack Higgins, Oscar Allen, Sam Taylor. The first 3 picks you would hope to do better, the last 5 picks you would be performing cartwheels with tucks and twists.
And it is not like that was picking the eyes out of the draft. All the following would have been available:
Andrew Brayshaw
Uniacke
Cerra
Naughton
Z Bailey
Starcevich
Powell
T Kelly
Balta
L.I.Am Ryan
Brent Daniels
Tom DeKoning
Barely Avfritsch
Tom McCartin
Petty
Worpel
Miers
Dylan Moore
Meek
Xerri
Switkowski
Liam Baker
Mihocek
So with 8 picks in the top 28 or so, you would be disappointed if you didn't land some very good talent even in between 2-3 misses. Of course this draft may not turn out as good as that one. Or it could be better I guess...
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Wojcinski
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Fingers crossed Mr Rise
sr36
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Worth remembering for the Richmond supporters drooling over their player exodus turning into draft picks that 2001 was a super draft but the first round still had Graham Polak, Xavier Clarke, Ashley Sampi, Luke Molan, Sam Power, Richard Cole, Ashley Watson, Barry Brooks, Rick Ladson and Shane Harvey.
Hope you have got a good recruiter in charge
Doesn't really matter - it takes a few years to realise they're no good - they'll win the best young players flag for a few years to come regardless of who they pick.
sr36
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You wouldn't have got both - you can't trade up to get ahead of pick 1 - but you probably would have had an extra couple of first round picks the following year as a result of trading down pick 7 a couple of times.
Also in their bounce backwards ability.
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So we’ve bounced backwards from last year by going from 12th to 3rd, at worst. That’s an interesting concept
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