List Mgmt. Trade and Free Agency Discussion 2018 - Edition I

[tigerdan]

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Portia (ex porthos) has some interesting posts too!!

 

[Bojangles17]

Somebody has thrown Blake Acres up on here as a potential target and personally think he might be gettable now that Kingsley is coming across. Big mids like him that can run aren't easy to find. Probably need to lose a guy on similar chips to get him tho. Brandon Ellis maybe?

I’ve suggested acres , nfi whether the club thinks that way , agree big body mid would suit us

 

[TigermanM2]

Brendon Fevola actually did agree to come to Richmond and all was agree to terms and it was done deal

When he went back to Carlton with his manager to tell them that he was leaving, Pagan said there is no way in the world you will be traded and they Doubled his salary to stay

Fact

PERFECT example of how things can be spot on at the time then do a 180 degree turn at the last moment.

Let's just remember that next time we go to pot anyone who puts his nuts on the line with info.

 

[Tango67]

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One thing that is conveniently forgotten and without sounding conceited in all of this is it’s somewhat more difficult to break into the reigning premiers side that has been fortunate with injury than a bottom 4 side. There’d be 6 of our players at least that would have played regularly at the bottom 5 clubs. Of our unsigned younger players , Moore is the only one I’d really like to keep then markov. Oppo clubs will be offering r3 for these guys which is fa really

I disagree, once again people overating our list and under rating our team work, culture and gameplan.

Freo have at least 4 if not 5 mids that would get a game with us Fyfe, Neale and Cerra would walk in possibly Hill and Mundy also, so discrediting Cerra is wrong.

On the other hand you expect Freo to take a tall that cant kick and cant mark, cant get a game in a side with 1 tall and been in the system for 3 years but shows some promise, wtf?

Then we have Bolton who also shows promise but cant get a game or hold a spot, and has really done nothing

Cerra is considered a genuine mid of the highest level and Freo want to keep him, you could package all of Moore, Bolton, Broad and Conca and they still wouldn't budge as these guys might compliment a good side with a good system but won't rebuild a poor side.

 

[Tango67]

A walk up start in the Freo midfield (excluding Fyfe and Neale) isn't saying much though.....

fyfe, neale, mundy, hill, cerra would all look good in our side.... the first 2 would be starting in the guts on the opening bounce and both I would rate higher than all bar dusty and cotchin

 

[Tomnat Tigers]

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I disagree, once again people overating our list and under rating our team work, culture and gameplan.

Freo have at least 4 if not 5 mids that would get a game with us Fyfe, Neale and Cerra would walk in possibly Hill and Mundy also, so discrediting Cerra is wrong.

On the other hand you expect Freo to take a tall that cant kick and cant mark, cant get a game in a side with 1 tall and been in the system for 3 years but shows some promise, wtf?

Then we have Bolton who also shows promise but cant get a game or hold a spot, and has really done nothing

Cerra is considered a genuine mid of the highest level and Freo want to keep him, you could package all of Moore, Bolton, Broad and Conca and they still wouldn't budge as these guys might compliment a good side with a good system but won't rebuild a poor side.

Hill plays on the wing and Mundy plays on the flank these days.

Someone like Higgins is the last picked player in our midfield and yet manages to find more of the ball than Cerra and had over 15 disposals in all bar 1 of his last 11 games. Cerra is considered a potential genuine mid of the highest level and whilst he has shown a lot of promise this season that doesn't make him worth anymore than the pick 5 they spent on him. So a combination of our first pick, Bolton and a nice set of steak knifes should be more than enough if in the event Cerra decides he wants to come home.

 

[RockJobster0312]

Thats what I said in my original post . Freo are confident of getting him to extend, just that we are working on him.

Again, the names I dropped are not in the media, just whats being discussed now. I normally only hold this stuff early stuff in convo's. For example I called Setterfield when zero was mentioned about him at the start of the month by the media, then it broke so figured ill change tact and publicly let you blokes in. So dont stress, they may not come about, or they may.

Bottom line, gives you something to talk about

One thing that I think most posters don’t realise, rumours that come from clubs (not just RFC) about the trade period are often red herrings for moves that season.

I learnt this from people I know who used to be associated with AFL clubs. Often the names that come out or in forums are being spoken about between teams/ within clubs and with player managers, but the sheer bulk of them are just a small conversation that fizzles out extremely early, or teams are doing prep work for a) their own trade periods (to get in early on multiple player and team deals) or b) laying the groundwork for a potential future trade

Take Cerra as an example. Likely that he will extend with Freo, but what I was told is that these are often teams will still contact his agent trying to understand what in three years time, are going to be the key decision drivers at the end of the next contract to give teams the best chance to obtain his services.

Similarly, if a team gets wind of a player is likely to go to another team, it may allow that other team to tag on to the trade and not necessarily have to give up as many assets if it was team to team.

 

[Ancient Tiger]

fyfe, neale, mundy, hill, cerra would all look good in our side.... the first 2 would be starting in the guts on the opening bounce and both I would rate higher than all bar dusty and cotchin

I said excluding Fyfe and Neale. Mundy? He is nowhere near the player he was. Hill is a winger very outside but classy. Doesn't play in the guts.

 

[Tango67]

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Hill plays on the wing and Mundy plays on the flank these days.

Someone like Higgins is the last picked player in our midfield and yet manages to find more of the ball than Cerra and had over 15 disposals in all bar 1 of his last 11 games. Cerra is considered a potential genuine mid of the highest level and whilst he has shown a lot of promise this season that doesn't make him worth anymore than the pick 5 they spent on him. So a combination of our first pick, Bolton and a nice set of steak knifes should be more than enough if in the event Cerra decides he wants to come home.

great you should be able to get it done then

 

[Tango67]

I said excluding Fyfe and Neale. Mundy? He is nowhere near the player he was. Hill is a winger very outside but classy. Doesn't play in the guts.

oh we are only talking on ball in the guts, so only 3 positions C, R and RR.... I thought we were talking mids...

Mundy rotates through the middle and would be on par with Caddy from a mids perspective and is big bodied...

our strength is we have cotchin, prestia, dusty, caddy, Graham, Edward's, Higgins, conca and grigg rotate through the guts and cerra, neale, mundy and fyfe would compliment that group.... and hill would sit nicely on a wing or hff.

so it's not just the player in isolation it's how they compliment your group..

 

[Ancient Tiger]

oh we are only talking on ball in the guts, so only 3 positions C, R and RR.... I thought we were talking mids...

Mundy rotates through the middle and would be on par with Caddy from a mids perspective and is big bodied...

our strength is we have cotchin, prestia, dusty, caddy, Graham, Edward's, Higgins, conca and grigg rotate through the guts and cerra, neale, mundy and fyfe would compliment that group.... and hill would sit nicely on a wing or hff.

so it's not just the player in isolation it's how they compliment your group..

Caddy has not been good as a mid. He has been a star up forward. Mundy does not get in ahead of any of our regular mids. He has been mainly poor for two years now and is part of the reason Freo has struggled to win games for two years.

 

[Roksman]

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I disagree, once again people overating our list and under rating our team work, culture and gameplan.

Freo have at least 4 if not 5 mids that would get a game with us Fyfe, Neale and Cerra would walk in possibly Hill and Mundy also, so discrediting Cerra is wrong.

On the other hand you expect Freo to take a tall that cant kick and cant mark, cant get a game in a side with 1 tall and been in the system for 3 years but shows some promise, wtf?

Then we have Bolton who also shows promise but cant get a game or hold a spot, and has really done nothing

Cerra is considered a genuine mid of the highest level and Freo want to keep him, you could package all of Moore, Bolton, Broad and Conca and they still wouldn't budge as these guys might compliment a good side with a good system but won't rebuild a poor side.

As much as we want this to be wrong, he's pretty much right regarding overrating our players when it comes to trading fringe players.

For example, this would be like trading Jack Higgins for Matt Taberner and Ryan Nyhuis... Would we like the trade? No chance.

One thing that I think most posters don’t realise, rumours that come from clubs (not just RFC) about the trade period are often red herrings for moves that season.

I learnt this from people I know who used to be associated with AFL clubs. Often the names that come out or in forums are being spoken about between teams/ within clubs and with player managers, but the sheer bulk of them are just a small conversation that fizzles out extremely early, or teams are doing prep work for a) their own trade periods (to get in early on multiple player and team deals) or b) laying the groundwork for a potential future trade

Take Cerra as an example. Likely that he will extend with Freo, but what I was told is that these are often teams will still contact his agent trying to understand what in three years time, are going to be the key decision drivers at the end of the next contract to give teams the best chance to obtain his services.

Similarly, if a team gets wind of a player is likely to go to another team, it may allow that other team to tag on to the trade and not necessarily have to give up as many assets if it was team to team.

Also correct.

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[Cotcho]

Seasons over for over half the clubs. Did T71 release the info on the mid that we are after?

 

[Tango67]

Caddy has not been good as a mid. He has been a star up forward. Mundy does not get in ahead of any of our regular mids. He has been mainly poor for two years now and is part of the reason Freo has struggled to win games for two years.

agree about caddy, mundy apart from his age would be exactly the type of mid we need however we are looking for cream or icing on the cake which he is not.

mundy is not the reason why freo are crap they just lack quality fwd and back of centre, have aging and injured players who they have overly relied upon and lack confidence, it won't take much to turn them around IMO.

They have started respecting the draft but need a quality tall at both ends.

 

[Bojangles17]

Was the one about lobb before or after 12 coronas , if lynch is on , theres no way on earth we d need to pursue a non FA tall on decent coin with the emerging talls already on our list .not doubting possible interest but find it hard to believe we could meet Wallis financials will be no shortage of suitors pushing price up. I would imagine other than lynch our focus would be on u21 likely interstate on low coin , stkilda has a few that could be of interest I would have thought . All I do is join the dots

 

[THE_GUN]

Im not interested in Wallis , Just see him as a slight improvement on miles but not a massive improvement

We need to be looking at better quality talent than Wallis

 

[Tiges1229]

Wonder if the Saints would be open to trading us Steven. He would be amazing in our side. Surely he knows he’s not winning a flag with St Kilda.

Yes agree would an excellent get

 

[Seymour Skinner]

Just gonna chuck in my 2c on the players T71 has brought up.

Every club would love Cerra, I'm in the camp that he'll be staying at Freo, even if he did leave trading our first (16-22ish), Bolton (who as much as I like him, hasn't taken his chances at the top level and has gained no value during his time at RFC), and Moore (I don't rate Moore highly) wouldn't be anywhere near what we would need to offer Freo to get the deal done. Cerra, unlike Bolton, has held his value, if not improved it, only mark against him is that this year's draft is supposed to be very good at the top end.

Don't care for Wallis, just a slightly taller Miles. Easy pass.

The GWS boys;
Hopper will be an absolute jet, can't see how we can get him unless GWS are at the bursting point of the cap, he'd have to nominate us, and GWS would have to accept unders to get him off the books, and even if that were the case they'd have a stack of players they'd rather ship off than Hopper.
My understanding is that Setterfield won't be leaving GWS. He'll also be a very good player, but he'll be a very good player for GWS and not another club.
Just don't get the Lobb idea either, good player, reckon he's a better ruck than he is a forward, but doesn't do nearly as much as Nank around the ground, can't see him fitting in the team with Nank, Jack and Lynch.


Looking forward to watching Lynch kick 8 against the Blues round 1 next year.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Im not interested in Wallis , Just see him as a slight improvement on miles but not a massive improvement

We need to be looking at better quality talent than Wallis

The way our list is.Young up and coming Mids should be on our agenda,Not in Wallis's age bracket.

 

[tigs2010]

I dont know Wallis, he could be the greatest bloke on earth. But chasing him would send a horrible message to our whole squad and has far greater potential to piss off the culture that we have created than our pursuit of Lynch.

Lynch is simple. We have a glaring hole in tall forwards. Blind Freddie could see that we're an injury to Jack away from being exposed. The players can all accept, understand and get comfortable with that.

One of the best sights of our club was how happy, supportive our fringe players were on GF day, singing the song after winning the flag. Wallis is not an obvious need, nor is he a guarenteed starting 22. What message does it send to all the blokes that have stuck by us waiting their turn. Lloyd, Miles, Townsend, Menadue that we are putting another fringe player ahead of them. How does Rance, Cotchin and Jack sell that to the rest of the playing group... after all they've done.

That would be shit. Deadset against. I'm not even a fan of him as a player.

Yep dud and has a shit haircut

 

[Nop returns]

Just gonna chuck in my 2c on the players T71 has brought up.

Every club would love Cerra, I'm in the camp that he'll be staying at Freo, even if he did leave trading our first (16-22ish), Bolton (who as much as I like him, hasn't taken his chances at the top level and has gained no value during his time at RFC), and Moore (I don't rate Moore highly) wouldn't be anywhere near what we would need to offer Freo to get the deal done. Cerra, unlike Bolton, has held his value, if not improved it, only mark against him is that this year's draft is supposed to be very good at the top end.

Don't care for Wallis, just a slightly taller Miles. Easy pass.

The GWS boys;
Hopper will be an absolute jet, can't see how we can get him unless GWS are at the bursting point of the cap, he'd have to nominate us, and GWS would have to accept unders to get him off the books, and even if that were the case they'd have a stack of players they'd rather ship off than Hopper.
My understanding is that Setterfield won't be leaving GWS. He'll also be a very good player, but he'll be a very good player for GWS and not another club.
Just don't get the Lobb idea either, good player, reckon he's a better ruck than he is a forward, but doesn't do nearly as much as Nank around the ground, can't see him fitting in the team with Nank, Jack and Lynch.


Looking forward to watching Lynch kick 8 against the Blues round 1 next year.

In regards to Hopper the Giants would have to make a decision as to who they keep he or Shiel. They need cap space but can’t afford to shed absolute Guns. May try and get away with offloading a couple of mid range types.

 

[prodigy]

 

[Kyusss]

Didnt Wingard tell clubs looking to draft him that he wouldnt play anywhere but SA, and if clubs drafted him he would be coming home straight away

 

[Grizza]

Collingwood and Essendon aren’t big clubs so that leaves us.

 

[Hank Heavenly]

He's a shjit bloke, not well liked by team mates.
Just watch a Port warm-up, does everything on his own away from team mates.
Has done bugger all to warrant the hype for 2 years either!