Mega Thread Trade/Draft/Delist SuperMegaUltrathread - 2016/17 offseason edition

[Carbine Chaos]

Srs tho, would you start Adamson in the centre next season for west coast over redden ?

Yes, I would have.

 

[Coasters74]

yeah agree. They might want to keep pick 12 as they think a genuine top 10 might slip or they might trade down so they don't have to reach for guys like SPP/bolton/rotham or drew.

Would be nice to get a slider top 10. Any chance of SPS sliding 10 picks? One can only dream..

 

[FatPizza]

Scary isn't it.

Putting players like Liberatore in that graphic is disingenuous since he was gifted to them as a father-son.

 

[Keys]

Scary isn't it.

Liberatore and hunter were father son picks before the bidding system so those picks aren't reflective of their value

That said the Bulldogs have drafted as well as anybody in recent times - they have two real gems on Dahlhaus and Daniel who were overlooked due to their lack of size yet they are two of the purest footballers in the league

 

[avishka5]

Scary isn't it.

its what we need to do with our mids Apart from priddis and hutchings all our other mids have been top 20 picks or traded in. We seems to pick KPP's late but struggle with mids late in the draft. Hopefully nelson and parto start that trend

Putting players like Liberatore in that graphic is disingenuous since he was gifted to them as a father-son.

same with wallis but he was left out(probablycause he ain't playing)

Would be nice to get a slider top 10. Any chance of SPS sliding 10 picks? One can only dream..

i wish as well but i would be surprised and have a few happy tears running down my face.

 

[Here2tellyouwhy]

Putting players like Liberatore in that graphic is disingenuous since he was gifted to them as a father-son.

Yes but Daniel, Hunter, Picken who many would have behind Libba and Dahlhaus have been their best in two do or die finals against last years grand finalists.

Yet we waste picks in the teens on comfortable players like Wellers, Redden and Yeo.

Hawks traded like champs, Sydney were gifted a larger salary cap plus Heeney and Mills then picked up Buddy, GWS we all know what's happened here.
The Dogs have nailed their drafting and trading with only Tom Boyd the only question mark.
They've done very very well.

 

[mattyc75]

By and large they have nailed their picks - what they haven't been able to do is retain their top picks.

According to an article on Perth Now the GWS have a bad retention rate, "The Giants lose players every year — their retention record ranks alongside Brisbane’s as the worst in the competition"

On this basis it is reasonable to suggest they nail their picks, and all the picks they get by trading 'want away' players, but just cannot keep them.

The full article is here

I think they knew that a fair chunk of their recruits would leave ,that's why they drafted so many talls especially kpfs who are usually worth more at the trade table,pretty smart

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[Miguel Sanchez]

Yes but Daniel, Hunter, Picken who many would have behind Libba and Dahlhaus have been their best in two do or die finals against last years grand finalists.

Yet we waste picks in the teens on comfortable players like Wellers, Redden and Yeo.

Hawks traded like champs, Sydney were gifted a larger salary cap plus Heeney and Mills then picked up Buddy, GWS we all know what's happened here.
The Dogs have nailed their drafting and trading with only Tom Boyd the only question mark.
They've done very very well.

Yeo was traded for pick 28.

The Dogs have done very well of late, particularly with their early picks, but Boyd is hardly the only question mark - Declan Hamilton (who?) over McGovern Jnr in 2014, Matt Fuller (again, who?) a pick ahead of Barrass and two picks ahead of Aliir the year before that. They don't tend to identify tall talent too well, Marcus Adams is probably their only decent tall drafted in the last few years and he was a mature-ager. Collins may buck that trend.

#factchecking

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

It is not just leg speed otherwise we would never have delisted Ash Smith.

It is speed in decision-making, football nous and speed and cleanliness by hand and foot. When you get all of those combined with leg speed, then you get someone like Chris Judd.

I am feeling blah about Hogan for next year. He is not going to address our deficiency and hence I would like us to have our first and 2 second round picks for quality mids this year, need to trade someone for an additional second. Given Hogan is "getable", then keep our first round pick for next year as we might be shopping for him. Timing is better - get to see whether we get development out of our current midfield draftees (Nelson, Duggan, Partington and Mutimer), get a could of decent ones this year and improvement out of our recent midfield trades (Wellers, Yeo, Redden and Jetta).

 

[avishka5]

welcome to FB

It is not just leg speed otherwise we would never have delisted Ash Smith.

It is speed in decision-making, football nous and speed and cleanliness by hand and foot. When you get all of those combined with leg speed, then you get someone like Chris Judd.

I am feeling blah about Hogan for next year. He is not going to address our deficiency and hence I would like us to have our first and 2 second round picks for quality mids this year, need to trade someone for an additional second. Given Hogan is "getable", then keep our first round pick for next year as we might be shopping for him. Timing is better - get to see whether we get development out of our current midfield draftees (Nelson, Duggan, Partington and Mutimer), get a could of decent ones this year and improvement out of our recent midfield trades (Wellers, Yeo, Redden and Jetta).

agree with you. I saw parto a handful of time but i liked what i saw. Hopefully a preseason in the gym sees him dominate wafl and/or gets called into the seniors. he is the type of mid we need as has perfectly balanced game.

 

[Here2tellyouwhy]

Yeo was traded for pick 28.

The Dogs have done very well of late, particularly with their early picks, but Boyd is hardly the only question mark - Declan Hamilton (who?) over McGovern Jnr in 2014, Matt Fuller (again, who?) a pick ahead of Barrass and two picks ahead of Aliir the year before that. They don't tend to identify tall talent too well, Marcus Adams is probably their only decent tall drafted in the last few years and he was a mature-ager. Collins may buck that trend.

#factchecking

The fact that we haven't heard of these questionable picks says it all doesn't it.

 

[ArdentEagle]

Redden will be good next year, with a preseason. A ball winner apart from Priddis, just what the doctor ordered.

That's very positive of you EP...Good stuff!

 

[truman]

At the risk of injecting facts into the argument, the pick that we traded for Redden ended up being bumped back to 21, which North (who got it from Brisbane as part of the Bastinac deal) used on B.McKay. So Burton and Gresham weren't available.

Of the remainder, Lovell played two senior games, Tucker 12 (for a bottom-three side) and Cuningham three. Only Dunkley could be said to have had a better year than Redden, and the word was that Sydney told him they'd match the bid if he was picked by a non-Vic team.

The Redden trade may prove to be a bust but it's not a "stark reminder" yet.

At the same time though FiveStrings you have to concede that at this stage a first round draft pick would have been better then Redden for the list going forward. I'm a fan of Redden and I think he'll turn it around but since you yourself stated "at the risk of injecting facts" hard to argue for the trade being a win at this early stage (Keep in mind we likely recruited Redden on the basis of him improving our list immediately).

Similarly the Wellingham trade is not looking so great either, we traded a first round pick (which could have been grundy) for one good season from Wellingham. Would not call that a win.

Still time for both but personally think we will have lost the Wellingham trade but will end up winning the Redden trade.

 

[JohnW]

At the same time though FiveStrings you have to concede that at this stage a first round draft pick would have been better then Redden for the list going forward. I'm a fan of Redden and I think he'll turn it around but since you yourself stated "at the risk of injecting facts" hard to argue for the trade being a win at this early stage (Keep in mind we likely recruited Redden on the basis of him improving our list immediately).

Similarly the Wellingham trade is not looking so great either, we traded a first round pick (which could have been grundy) for one good season from Wellingham. Would not call that a win.

Still time for both but personally think we will have lost the Wellingham trade but will end up winning the Redden trade.

The first rounder would only have been better based on who we could of picked? To say that you must have someone in mind that we should of picked?

 

[QS]

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agree with you. I saw parto a handful of time but i liked what i saw. Hopefully a preseason in the gym sees him dominate wafl and/or gets called into the seniors. he is the type of mid we need as has perfectly balanced game.

I know Mark lol.

 

[The Gtrain]

Pretty sure we're 2nd last for avg. disposals per game.

We play a long ball game, not a lot of handballs.

Something like ..(metres gained/disposal count) should show that we don't kick it sideways and have a more direct approach.

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[Benny 1234]

Would anyone take Shaun Edwards from Essendon for the rookie list?northern territory boy delisted free agent 22 yrs old 189cm pace looked promising last year worth a rookie spot I reckon

 

[truman]

The first rounder would only have been better based on who we could of picked? To say that you must have someone in mind that we should of picked?

Regardless of who you pick from a list strategy point of view a first rounder is the smart bet for the long term success of the club. I don't think you trade in players in the middle of their careers and give away a first rounder unless you expect the player you trade in to make a significant contribution to your club fairly quickly

 

[swooshacummings]

At the risk of injecting facts into the argument, the pick that we traded for Redden ended up being bumped back to 21, which North (who got it from Brisbane as part of the Bastinac deal) used on B.McKay. So Burton and Gresham weren't available.

Of the remainder, Lovell played two senior games, Tucker 12 (for a bottom-three side) and Cuningham three. Only Dunkley could be said to have had a better year than Redden, and the word was that Sydney told him they'd match the bid if he was picked by a non-Vic team.

The Redden trade may prove to be a bust but it's not a "stark reminder" yet.

Thats why you moderate and I commentate!
Thought it was pick 17.


Seriously must be looked at though, can't give away another first pick for an average type midfielder when we could be investing in better prospects.

There was a fair bit of noise around here for Cuningham around draft time

 

[RookiePick]

Yeo was traded for pick 28.

The Dogs have done very well of late, particularly with their early picks, but Boyd is hardly the only question mark - Declan Hamilton (who?) over McGovern Jnr in 2014, Matt Fuller (again, who?) a pick ahead of Barrass and two picks ahead of Aliir the year before that. They don't tend to identify tall talent too well, Marcus Adams is probably their only decent tall drafted in the last few years and he was a mature-ager. Collins may buck that trend.

#factchecking

Yeo didn't come on this season which was disappointing but you have to be blind if you can't see that he has the tools to be a very damaging player. Our player development has been extremely suspect for some time and we have no excuse as a club with a financial position that does not preclude us for seeking and attracting the best back room staff.

I try not to pay to much credence to picking on clubs strike rate of successful drafting with first and second round picks. If you get a Dalhaus at #70 or rookie a Dean Cox who gives a toss if your #20something proves a bust. Drafting is an inexact science at best, particularly as you are dealing with kids that you can only hazard a guess at how they will respond to the professional environment *coughtomlambcough*

 

[Godfather32]

Yeo didn't come on this season which was disappointing but you have to be blind if you can't see that he has the tools to be a very damaging player. Our player development has been extremely suspect for some time and we have no excuse as a club with a financial position that does not preclude us for seeking and attracting the best back room staff.

I try not to pay to much credence to picking on clubs strike rate of successful drafting with first and second round picks. If you get a Dalhaus at #70 or rookie a Dean Cox who gives a toss if your #20something proves a bust. Drafting is an inexact science at best, particularly as you are dealing with kids that you can only hazard a guess at how they will respond to the professional environment *coughtomlambcough*

Yeo might have the tools but I don't think he's got the football brain to particularly good

 

[Here2tellyouwhy]

Drafting is an inexact science at best, particularly as you are dealing with kids that you can only hazard a guess at how they will respond to the professional environment *coughtomlambcough*

Tom Lamb has been as professional as the next guy, he's just a little sheepish.

 

[Milenko]

Would anyone take Shaun Edwards from Essendon for the rookie list?northern territory boy delisted free agent 22 yrs old 189cm pace looked promising last year worth a rookie spot I reckon

If he couldn't make it at the bottom-dwelling Bombers, what makes you think he could make it with us?

 

[The Dodger]

Scary isn't it.

Any reason why they left Stringer off of that list? Pick 5 2012.

 

[SloppyJoe]

Any reason why they left Stringer off of that list? Pick 5 2012.

just mids I think