List Mgmt. Trade & Free Agency talk Pt 2

[Muddiemoose]

Thats what we(Lynch) need.
Have alook at our entries into F50.
Apart from Dusty who else is there?

Yeah we have a pretty weak team in terms of foot skills
Some great blokes with some of the fastest hands in the comp but bar our backs and that is mostly carried by short and Houli our kicking skills leave a lot to be desired

Our mids can bomb it in close to the square but rarely can identity space for our forwards to lead into

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

JGTI? Bolton is usually pretty good going inside 50. Lambert is usually reliable

JGTI isn't that solid by foot(pin point)
Bolton has a long leg and sidetep to kick it himself within 55.But yes solid by foot.
Lambo is getting on i think(sadly).

 

[YeOldTiger]

who ever pays 700k for Cerra has rocks in their head. Watching him yesterday was solid but not a player that deserves to be in the top 10% salaries in the competition.
He’ll want a medium- long term contract too. For a player that doesn’t have the runs on the board it’s far to risky. You’re basing a decision on the upside you think he has in him. At this stage nothing says potential A grader more solid B grader

Imagine if he is only ever a B+ grader. $700+ a year for probably four years tied up in the cap. For players $650+ they really have to be bona fide A grader mids or gun key position players. Cerra just doesn't strike me as a Richmond type. No mongrel.

 

[_RT_]

But your comparison was stupid and misleading. Like I said, you could do the same with Rowell and Seb Ross and everyone is going to take Seb Ross. All you’ve done is try to manipulate people into picking Cerra over Green using cherry picked statistics.

And no, all I was doing was pointing out at the same age Green is statistically superior to Cerra, which further highlights the ridiculousness of your comparison.

Just accept your post was silly, own it and move on.

So you're a mind reader and know what my reasoning was behind putting up the comparison. As I said I put it up because there is a belief among some that Green is far superior to Cerra and others who believe it is the other way around.

I rate Cerra higher than Green based on the fact that Cerra plays in a weaker midfield. Cerra would be the 3rd-5th ranked midfielder at Fremantle along side Brayshaw and Serong behind Fyfe and Mundy, Green would be behind the likes of Kelly Taranto Congilio Ward Whitfield & Hopper in the Giants midfield mix.


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[Bojangles17]

Cerra certainly divides opinions.
David King thinks he's a star and cream on top .
Whately thinks he's worth 400
Leppa thinks he's 4 inline mid at Freo doesn't see the hype in him .
Maybe he's somewhere in the middle of all that but what's he cost in $ and picks ?

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If it were a single r1 pick I wouldn’t have a problem, but it has being cornholed written all over it and I worry we re wasting a golden opportunity to replenish talent and rebound like the WB have done. Use FA to go balls deep with homecoming talent , there’s opportunities every year with that

 

[Bojangles17]

For a 21 year old that will play 22+ in our midfield for the next 8 plus years and be a walk in starter every week that also has a skill set that none of our mids currently have
I’m happy to give up a first rounder and player (within reason of course) or first rounder and 2nd rounder with a pick coming back to us

Basically the same as what we paid for Prestia who met similar needs and was in a similar position at Gold Coast at the time

“Richmond will get Prestia and pick No.24 and send pick No.6 and their future second-round pick to Gold Coast”

I might consider r1 + Macca ,,,,might

 

[THE_GUN]

And now do the same comparison with Tom Green who everyone is wetting their pants over. I'm more prepared to give up a 1st rounder and 600k for Cerra than Green as Cerra is something that we haven't got and Green is a taller version of Graham or RCD. What does Green do that a cheaper Graham or RCD can't?

Happy to do that comparison and this is Green 2nd year and their stats are reasonably the same against Cerra 4th year
Compare Cerra 2nd year to Green 2nd year its clear where Green is the better player with more traits we look for like winning contested inside ball

Adam Cerra and Tom Green AFL Stats Comparison

Adam Cerra and Tom Green AFL Stats Comparison.

www.footywire.com

 

[THE_GUN]

They're both players that the majority of people on here would prefer the club targets at the end of this season. Who cares who has played the most games so far in their career, because when you look at their career numbers the difference isn't that great overall.

As mentioned above we've got players who do the Tom Green role, we don't have many smooth moving hybrid types who can both win their own footy and also use it well when out in space.

The difference is in the 4th year you have a very good example of the player and he is closer to the end product that a player in his 2nd year
also they are different players with Tom Green more an inside beast in the cripps mould but Cerra more outside.

Looking at the stats and taking into account the exposure they have had i see Green projecting higher in 3 years time than Cerra and more the type of player we need

 

[THE_GUN]

Correct me if I'm wrong but weren't you the biggest Cerra fan pushing for us to recruit him over the last 2 years? Now when we might be a chance of snaring him you've seemingly jumped off suggesting he is not worth the chase. Can I ask why? I see you saying he is a nice kick and a nice player, but IIRC not that long ago he was, in your opinion, the one that we had to get no matter what.

Dont get me wrong , I do like Cerra as a player and would be over the moon to take him at Richmond if the trade and $$$ are whats reasonable
BUT when we are talking about 2x 1st rounders + $700k then NO

In my opinion he is a pick #10-#15 range player on $450k-$500k max
But you know our club with trading in players that we chase - We pay the asking price

 

[want2spoodge_pettifer]

Jarrod Berry for the lions isn’t getting a game - I think he’s over his injury now.. has looked more than handy at times.

Wonder if we could shake him loose? Great mid rotation option.

 

[GhostofJimJess]

Operation GetSamTaylor

Do what it takes Tiges

 

[Charlie Pannam]

Imagine if he is only ever a B+ grader. $700+ a year for probably four years tied up in the cap. For players $650+ they really have to be bona fide A grader mids or gun key position players. Cerra just doesn't strike me as a Richmond type. No mongrel.

Good call.

He has his admirers but just as many if not more good judges are questioning his chances of taking the next step ala Bolton and become an A grader.

When have you seen him dominate a game ? He’s a steady consistent performer who’s numbers are ok but hurt factor is low. There is plenty of mids with the that output, that’ll never be close to 700k players

I know some think that he’d give up $$ to join us. I’m not sure about that - ok he might accept 100k less but he ain’t going to come to us for 200-250k less.

Let the Blues pay him the big $$. At the end of 22 Cotch and JR retire and we have the cap space to target a KPF or A grade mid.

 

[Grockadoc]

Imagine if he is only ever a B+ grader. $700+ a year for probably four years tied up in the cap. For players $650+ they really have to be bona fide A grader mids or gun key position players. Cerra just doesn't strike me as a Richmond type. No mongrel.

Neither did Cotch pre 2017.

 

[69vintage]

We should hide Seymour's CHB.
Heard he's nearly as good as our former CHB.

They hid him at CHF

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[69vintage]

Jarrod Berry for the lions isn’t getting a game - I think he’s over his injury now.. has looked more than handy at times.

Wonder if we could shake him loose? Great mid rotation option.

Not a chance His brother is up there and he's best mates with McCluggage.

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[tigerfan1961]

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Happy to do that comparison and this is Green 2nd year and their stats are reasonably the same against Cerra 4th year
Compare Cerra 2nd year to Green 2nd year its clear where Green is the better player with more traits we look for like winning contested inside ball

Adam Cerra and Tom Green AFL Stats Comparison

Adam Cerra and Tom Green AFL Stats Comparison.

www.footywire.com

I’m with RT on this, just on what I see with my own eyes. Cerra would be a good pick up for our game style, moreso that Green imo

 

[Hoos]

We should hide Seymour's CHB.
Heard he's nearly as good as our former CHB.

Paul Bulluss?

 

[THE_GUN]

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I’m with RT on this, just on what I see with my own eyes. Cerra would be a good pick up for our game style, moreso that Green imo

And that is perfectly fine , This is an internet forum and we all have our opinions and express them here
But with how Green projects (as an inside midfielder / extractor ) I would have thought that would be #1 on our list of needs specially with Cotchin coming to the end sooner rather than later

 

[tiger_tough]

And that is perfectly fine , This is an internet forum and we all have our opinions and express them here
But with how Green projects (as an inside midfielder / extractor ) I would have thought that would be #1 on our list of needs specially with Cotchin coming to the end sooner rather than later

We do have RCD and Dow for that though.....and maybe Narkle?

Plus Martyn.

 

[Oshka]

So you're a mind reader and know what my reasoning was behind putting up the comparison. As I said I put it up because there is a belief among some that Green is far superior to Cerra and others who believe it is the other way around.

I rate Cerra higher than Green based on the fact that Cerra plays in a weaker midfield. Cerra would be the 3rd-5th ranked midfielder at Fremantle along side Brayshaw and Serong behind Fyfe and Mundy, Green would be behind the likes of Kelly Taranto Congilio Ward Whitfield & Hopper in the Giants midfield mix.


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I’ve already told you this game is ****ing stupid.

 

[Oshka]

And that is perfectly fine , This is an internet forum and we all have our opinions and express them here
But with how Green projects (as an inside midfielder / extractor ) I would have thought that would be #1 on our list of needs specially with Cotchin coming to the end sooner rather than later

Spot on. We had no one like Green in our side on Friday. The closest we have is RCD who is still developing. The two of them together with someone like Bolton in the midfield would shore us up for years.

Cerra is a dime a dozen. He’s a glorified Corey Ellis. If he wasn’t a top five pick people wouldn’t be froffing over him. Much better value elsewhere.

 

[THE_GUN]

Spot on. We had no one like Green in our side on Friday. The closest we have is RCD who is still developing. The two of them together with someone like Bolton in the midfield would shore us up for years.

Cerra is a dime a dozen. He’s a glorified Corey Ellis. If he wasn’t a top five pick people wouldn’t be froffing over him. Much better value elsewhere.

Cerra is a good player and is a quality user with good character and i would love him at Richmond but not for 2 x 1st rounders and $700k+ a year
his contested game is superior to Ellis and disposal is much better but just doesnt hurt the opposition on the scoreboard and needs to break the lines more

 

[THE_GUN]

We do have RCD and Dow for that though.....and maybe Narkle?

Plus Martyn.

Martyn is no guarantee to make it
Rcd is is a different player , Whilst he will have some similar attributes i see him more grab the ball and sprint away from packs than just the contested inside bull thats pumping it out. But we need more than 1 of these types

 

[Tomnat Tigers]

Neither did Cotch pre 2017.

What a load of shit.

 

[The Mighty]

Well go draft for the new rules , and then the AFL will change the rules back next year and screw us again.