List Mgmt. Trade & Free Agency talk Pt 4

[4tune8]

I was never a big fan of the Yarran trade even in the lead up - thought he was flakey and a bit soft tbh. But it was only made into a real shocker with the benefit of hindsight. It's fine for people to criticise the Richmond list management team with not doing due diligence, but the sort of intelligence required on Yarran simply wasn't available. It'd be like us recruiting Docherty 12 months ago without demanding a look at his oncologist's report.


Very understandable from player and manager pov. You could imagine that they'd have wanted some degree of certainty about where he's playing in 2022 and beyond. He can now start his official training with the Roos and not miss nearly two months of preparation. There's also that little skerrick of risk involved if he waits eg. would a serious knee injury possibly derail his potential $2M contract. No, just lock it in now while the Roos are keen.


On the flipside, there's nothing to suggest that the Crows won't be vying for the spoon in 2022. I'm struggling to find any more than a couple of teams that are worse than them.

And then there's Melbourne. In the last five years, two premiers have slipped out of the 8 the following year. The Bulldogs just seemed to lose their way immediately after an epoch-drought-ending flag, and the Tigers were struck down with a raft of extended and extensive injuries to critical players after 2020.

How might the Dees respond psychologically to their flag? What would an injury to any three of Gawn, Oliver, Petracca, May and Lever look like for them? They are as dependent on their top handful of players as any other team in the comp. And yes, they're also a system-based team as well, but so were we until we got punched in the face in 2021. West Coast finished 5th in 2019, and they were a monster team in 2018. The Dees could just as easily finish outside the top 4 if recent history is anything to go by.

I'm not 100% certain I'd do the North-Crows deal either, but the Roos could just as easily be knocking back Picks #1-ish, #4 and #14-ish for Horne-Francis. But then again, so could Adelaide.

The main reason that North were foolish to knock back the bid is that they had an opportunity to add 4 quality kids to their list in one fell swoop, the heart of any successful team is having a core group of players hitting their straps at about the same time in their careers.

North have added quite a bit of quality to their list over the last 5 seasons.
Phillips
Powell
Thomas
LDU
Simpkin

I have no idea what they were thinking when they traded for Polec and Pittard, maybe Scott had something to with that ballsup. Nonetheless, they could have added picks:
4-1-2-14 over the next 2 years and used those picks for more needs based choices (bit like the Dees did with Luke Jackson) and built that core of solid players.

I think the cost of missing out on JHF is outweighed by the benefit of that immediate core rebuild.

 

[Sir_Loin]

North Trading Thread from page 325 onwards is delicious

I’ll head over with my espresso and croissant now

 

[GhostofJimJess]

North Trading Thread from page 325 onwards is delicious

You can almost pinpoint the exact moment their world collapsed around them.

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

Wow. Sign me up. That’s crazy. I’d assumed they’d all be pick 10+


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I don't think you're factoring in that the top 4 (inc bids), which includes Horne-Smith, are well ahead of the next bunch of players and that you wont get a player of his quality next draft.

 

[This Is Anfield]

I’ll head over with my espresso and croissant now

They've gone from CCJ is unproven and only worth 38 to CCJ is a future superstar who will spearhead their path to glory!

 

[PuntRd_Seal]

They've gone from CCJ is unproven and only worth 38 to CCJ is a future superstar who will spearhead their path to glory!

That's because the AFL has told them they'll only be playing the Hobart Dairy Farmers from here on in.

 

[Sir_Loin]

They've gone from CCJ is unproven and only worth 38 to CCJ is a future superstar who will spearhead their path to glory!

They think they’re moving up the ladder, forgetting they just traded to us their best defender. Also saw a few #sackBrady in there.

Also CCJ is going to be a 10 year ruck prospect when all he has done in that position when he played for us is stink it up. He also is a bit of a flog judging by his known and not so well known off field behaviour.

We got a great deal. Feels like the club said and did all the right things to put out the lure and we landed a blue fin tuna.

:stern look

 

[RichoLedio]

Because even a the girls at Mens Gallery will say you're hot and hung like Scottie Pippen for the right price.

Just out of curiosity what is the address of this gallery? Also can I borrow some cash?

 

[Phar Ace]

The main reason that North were foolish to knock back the bid is that they had an opportunity to add 4 quality kids to their list in one fell swoop, the heart of any successful team is having a core group of players hitting their straps at about the same time in their careers.

North have added quite a bit of quality to their list over the last 5 seasons.
Phillips
Powell
Thomas
LDU
Simpkin

I have no idea what they were thinking when they traded for Polec and Pittard, maybe Scott had something to with that ballsup. Nonetheless, they could have added picks:
4-1-2-14 over the next 2 years and used those picks for more needs based choices (bit like the Dees did with Luke Jackson) and built that core of solid players.

I think the cost of missing out on JHF is outweighed by the benefit of that immediate core rebuild.

Absolutely agree - while one player can be a huge difference in the make up of a team (look at us and Dusty) - it does not out weigh the team first principle. That Dusty went at Pick 3 only reinforces that thinking. I was gobsacked at them knocking that back. That said, perhaps they did put a counter offer that enhanced it still further but the Crows knocked that back. It is an negotiation after all and perhaps in doing that they lost that opportunity more than actually knocking it back.

 

[Phar Ace]

I don't think you're factoring in that the top 4 (inc bids), which includes Horne-Smith, are well ahead of the next bunch of players and that you wont get a player of his quality next draft.

At least not until we start talking about it next year

 

[beema limapep]

What a glorious morning indeed

About to sit down for a full English breakfast.

Now where did I put my salt shaker....

 

[Phar Ace]

Just out of curiosity what is the address of this gallery? Also can I borrow some cash?

Are you off to buy some smoke and mirrors?

 

[RichoLedio]

Are you off to buy some smoke and mirrors?

I just wanna hear some sweet sweet lies

 

[Phar Ace]

I just wanna hear some sweet sweet lies

Go to Parliament House then and sit in the public gallery a while - can't guarantee you will get a hard on as well but who really needs to know

 

[sante]

They've gone from CCJ is unproven and only worth 38 to CCJ is a future superstar who will spearhead their path to glory!

And this board did the complete opposite

 

[This Is Anfield]

And this board did the complete opposite

Not this board!
We are always fair and rational

 

[TheGhostOfMaurice]

Just out of curiosity what is the address of this gallery? Also can I borrow some cash?

601 Lonsdale St, Melbourne VIC

You'll have to ask for Scarlett and borrow some of my money off her.....

 

[Marcel Proust]

You can almost pinpoint the exact moment their world collapsed around them.

 

[Phar Ace]

601 Lonsdale St, Melbourne VIC

You'll have to ask for Scarlett and borrow some of my money off her.....

Didn't realise you were a Gone With The Wind fan............

 

[Azzleberry]

wants to play ruck. Never played there before in seniors apart from 1-2 centre bounces. His entire highlights video is him as a forward. Couldn’t make it up

I mean he was AA U18 Ruckman, so I kind of get why he'd want to play there.

Not many 23 year old ruckmans are tearing it apart in the AFL

 

[brahj]

Kinda glad that CCJ trade worked out the way it did.

CCJ could absolutely turn it on and we’ll look like fools, but that won’t happen for a while and norf look like suckers right now so may as well make hay while the sun shines.

 

[THE THIN MAN]

Didn't realise you were a Gone With The Wind fan............

 

[Azzleberry]

Who is out of contract?

Garthwaite
Miller
Nyuon.

Des
Cumberland
Stack

?

the fact these 2 are still on the list and Naish was delisted already is farcical

 

[Sir_Loin]

I mean he was AA U18 Ruckman, so I kind of get why he'd want to play there.

Not many 23 year old ruckmans are tearing it apart in the AFL

Men against boys I guess. Easy to dominate 17-18 year old kids when you’re his size. Hasn’t really shown much in his time with us in that position. How old was Nank when we got him across for our 2017 flag? I think that’s the benchmark to measure him against.

Hey look, he might be the next Dean Cox.

 

[THE THIN MAN]

the fact these 2 are still on the list and Naish was delisted already is farcical

I did not know the deadline for player delisting's has passed!