List Mgmt. Trade & Free Agency talk Pt 5

[el_simo]

Yeah cos ******* Geelong is the dream destination

Gimme a ******* break. Its an hour drive from Melbourne ffs & its not that great living there. Know people who have lived in both Geelong & Melbourne and none of them miss it. Its not Miami ffs

No one is taking $250k a year less to save themselves an hour drive to go surfing.

It’s not about living in Geelong itself it’s about living on the coast, farms etc. imagine being able to live on the great ocean road and play AFL

 

[captain blood 17]

Hopper not a gun? Well he’s a far better clearance player than anyone on our list at this time. Take the blinkers off Mate.
Anyway, I’m done discussing this with you as you have your mind set on us not getting a very very good mid, who excels in clearance work and tackles well too.
Please don’t respond, I know your view and don’t need to hear it again

 

[captain blood 17]

A lot of deja vu this trade period.
Prestia was also apparently not a gun.

Let's let the people who get paid to do this role, do the role.

If you dont like it, go support GWS.

The GWS supporter in here is clearly upset Richmond is taking two of their guns.

 

[jesterx]

everyone needs to lay off mr magic if he wasnt on here this thread would only be 500 pages long

 

[lumpinee]

and id have FA else to go to to get a laugh

 

[captain blood 17]

Year	Jack Graham	Jacob Hopper	Tim Taranto
2018	18 Games 107 Tackles 22 Clearance 96 ConPoss 42 Inside50 4 GoalAss 250 Disposal	21 Games 98 Tackles 85 Clear 204 ConPoss 54 Inside50 4 Goal Ass 441 Disposal	23 Games 140 Tackles 86 Clearance 214 ConPoss 78 Inside 50 14 GoalAss 479 Disposal
2019	16 Games 113 Tackles 38 Clearance 97 ConPoss 59 Inside50 9 GoalAss 272 Disposal	23 Games 95 Tackles 140 Clear 318 ConPoss 90 Inside50 10 GoalAss 599 Disposal	26 Games 164 Tackles 136 Clearan 288 ConPoss 107 Inside5 13 GoalAss 721 Disposal
2020	16 Games 72 Tackles 29 Clearance 102 ConPoss 45 Inside50 8 GoalAss 240 Disposal	17 Games 71 Tackles 63 Clearanc 166 ConPoss 41 Inside50 4 GoalAss 327 Disposal	11 Games 45 Tackles 42 Clearance 93 ConPoss 35 Inside50 3 GoalAssis 212 Disposal
2021	22 Games 122 Tackles 39 Clearance 131 ConPoss 86 Inside50 15 GoalAss 418 Disposal	23 Games 88 Tackles 145 Clear 276 ConPoss 99 Inside50 10 GoalAss 607 Disposal	24 Games 128 Tackles 103 Clearan 237 ConPoss 103 Inside5 8 GoalAss 637 Disposal
2022	20 Games 95 Tackles 38 Clearance 138 ConPoss 84 Inside50 9 GoalAss 361 Disposal	7 Games 21 Tackles 33 Clearanc 66 ConPoss 16 Inside 50 3 GoalAss 135 Disposal	16 Games 76 Tackles 60 Clearance 155 Con Pos 62 Inside50 10 GoalAss 407 Disposal

two things -
1 - Elton Johns Wig get hard over this
2 - has the quoted post been authenticated and approved by the Magic man?

 

[Sol23]

We did in 2017

Think you’ll find we had Prestia

 

[tigs2010]

everyone needs to lay off mr magic if he wasnt on here this thread would only be 500 pages long

The worst part is you can’t put him on ignore because the thread makes no sense with everyone responding

 

[banzai]

Graham staying is fine with me.

27 is not enough and some saying Amon is worth more is laughable

Graham, 24 at his level is valuable for a club contending

Graham I think is important for our culture. He seems a little separate from some of the packs/groupings so would be a important read of how our playing list and culture is going.

Also important getting a read on whats happening between reserves and firsts

If he was 28 I would probably piss him off but 24 is a sweet spot for our list making him invaluable

I don't see the point in trading Graham whilst we are contending, keep him and let him go as a FA in 2 years, even if he's only depth. The only thing would be that it will free up cap room if we are targetting a KF in the next few seasons.

 

[RobsJourney]

Not that we have any say whatsoever, but out of curiosity, would people be keen to see Dan Rioli move back to the forward line and push up on to a wing occasionally (or even the odd stint at centre bounces) ?

I know he has just come 1 vote from being best and fairest in the half-back role, but I dunno, I guess I'm being influenced by Geelong's win... Their back 6 is basically all big guys, they don't worry about having a run/gun defender, they seem to favour the ability to defend more than the foot speed of a rebounder.

Henry, De Koning, Stewart, Kolodjasni, Bews, Tuohy. They're all hard bodies and/or tall.

I'd love to see what a re-energised Rioli could do up forward with his Uncle, partly because I also am worried Cumberland might drop off the pace and we'll be left wanting for a really good medium/small (fingers crossed for you Stacky).

In Rioli's place I reckon we could start to trial Tom Brown in 2023, I really think he's gonna be a player, and will develop into a really good size.

Grimes, Tarrant, Broad, Vlastuin, Balta, Baker, Brown, with Gibcus on standby in 2023 if a tall goes down, and into the 22 for 2024 when Tarrant or Grimes retire.

 

[beema limapep]

That's true, but why are we comparing them?

Graham is a mainly outside defensive role player and the two GWS lads are coal face inside bulls.

Outside defensive mid - the lowest of the low value mids in the business Also known as a 'journeyman'. Only a small rung above a defesive forward (also known as a space guarded or a castagna).

Give me an inside attacking, outside attacking or inside defensive mid every day of the week.

 

[Sol23]

Not that we have any say whatsoever, but out of curiosity, would people be keen to see Dan Rioli move back to the forward line and push up on to a wing occasionally (or even the odd stint at centre bounces) ?

I know he has just come 1 vote from being best and fairest in the half-back role, but I dunno, I guess I'm being influenced by Geelong's win... Their back 6 is basically all big guys, they don't worry about having a run/gun defender, they seem to favour the ability to defend more than the foot speed of a rebounder.

Henry, De Koning, Stewart, Kolodjasni, Bews, Tuohy. They're all hard bodies and/or tall.

I'd love to see what a re-energised Rioli could do up forward with his Uncle, partly because I also am worried Cumberland might drop off the pace and we'll be left wanting for a really good medium/small (fingers crossed for you Stacky).

In Rioli's place I reckon we could start to trial Tom Brown in 2023, I really think he's gonna be a player, and will develop into a really good size.

Grimes, Tarrant, Broad, Vlastuin, Balta, Baker, Brown, with Gibcus on standby in 2023 if a tall goes down, and into the 22 for 2024 when Tarrant or Grimes retire.

Cumbo is not dropping off I’ll tell you that.

 

[richo's dodgy hammy]

The worst part is you can’t put him on ignore because the thread makes no sense with everyone responding

That's a risk I am willing to take

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Not that we have any say whatsoever, but out of curiosity, would people be keen to see Dan Rioli move back to the forward line and push up on to a wing occasionally (or even the odd stint at centre bounces) ?

I know he has just come 1 vote from being best and fairest in the half-back role, but I dunno, I guess I'm being influenced by Geelong's win... Their back 6 is basically all big guys, they don't worry about having a run/gun defender, they seem to favour the ability to defend more than the foot speed of a rebounder.

Henry, De Koning, Stewart, Kolodjasni, Bews, Tuohy. They're all hard bodies and/or tall.

I'd love to see what a re-energised Rioli could do up forward with his Uncle, partly because I also am worried Cumberland might drop off the pace and we'll be left wanting for a really good medium/small (fingers crossed for you Stacky).

In Rioli's place I reckon we could start to trial Tom Brown in 2023, I really think he's gonna be a player, and will develop into a really good size.

Grimes, Tarrant, Broad, Vlastuin, Balta, Baker, Brown, with Gibcus on standby in 2023 if a tall goes down, and into the 22 for 2024 when Tarrant or Grimes retire.

While we are at it, let’s move Lynch to a wing and Bolton to a tagging role. It doesn’t make any sense to leave players who are thriving in a role in the role they are thriving in.

 

[beema limapep]

The worst part is you can’t put him on ignore because the thread makes no sense with everyone responding

Some serious commitment being shown in this thread....or shitposting...or both

 

[Wacky Tiger]

Not that we have any say whatsoever, but out of curiosity, would people be keen to see Dan Rioli move back to the forward line and push up on to a wing occasionally (or even the odd stint at centre bounces) ?

 

[tigs2010]

Some serious commitment being shown in this thread....or shitposting...or both

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Old mate Tiger_Of_Old is the new Terry Wallet. "The List Manager"

 

[TiggerMan22]

Hooper 2019: 26.4 touches, 4.1 tackles, 3.9 inside 50s, 13.9 contested possessions, 6.2 clearances. Hopper 2021: 26.4 touches, 3.8 tackles, 4.3 inside 50s, 12.0 contested possesions, 6.4 clerances.

If you chuck those stats into our 2022 team this is where he would sit.

Touches:
Hopper 2019 - 26.4
Hopper 2021 - 26.4
#1 - Prestia - 24.8
#2 - Short- 24.3
#3 - Cotchin- 22.6

Tackles:
#1 - Graham- 4.7
Hopper 2019 - 4.1
Hopper 2021 - 3.8
#2 - Nank- 3.7
#3 - Prestia- 3

Inside 50s:
#1 - Short - 4.9
#2 - Martin- 4.4
#3 - Bolton- 4.35
Hopper 2021 - 4.3
#4 - Graham - 4.2
#5 - Prestia- 4.1
Hopper 2019 - 3.9

Contested Possessions:
Hopper 2019 - 13.9
Hopper 2021 - 12.0
#1 - Prestia - 11.1
#2 - Cotchin- 10.7
#3 - Bolton- 9.1

Clearances:
Hopper 2021 - 6.4
Hopper 2019 - 6.2
#1 - Prestia - 5.9
#2 - Cotchin- 5
#3 - Nank - 5

How is he not exactly what we need.

 

[TiggerMan22]

Hooper 2019: 26.4 touches, 4.1 tackles, 3.9 inside 50s, 13.9 contested possessions, 6.2 clearances. Hopper 2021: 26.4 touches, 3.8 tackles, 4.3 inside 50s, 12.0 contested possesions, 6.4 clerances.

If you chuck those stats into our 2022 team this is where he would sit.

Touches:
Hopper 2019 - 26.4
Hopper 2021 - 26.4
#1 - Prestia - 24.8
#2 - Short- 24.3
#3 - Cotchin- 22.6

Tackles:
#1 - Graham- 4.7
Hopper 2019 - 4.1
Hopper 2021 - 3.8
#2 - Nank- 3.7
#3 - Prestia- 3

Inside 50s:
#1 - Short - 4.9
#2 - Martin- 4.4
#3 - Bolton- 4.35
Hopper 2021 - 4.3
#4 - Graham - 4.2
#5 - Prestia- 4.1
Hopper 2019 - 3.9

Contested Possessions:
Hopper 2019 - 13.9
Hopper 2021 - 12.0
#1 - Prestia - 11.1
#2 - Cotchin- 10.7
#3 - Bolton- 9.1

Clearances:
Hopper 2021 - 6.4
Hopper 2019 - 6.2
#1 - Prestia - 5.9
#2 - Cotchin- 5
#3 - Nank - 5

How is he not exactly what we need.

And then if we look at Tarantos and Hoppers 2019

Touches:
Taranto 2019 - 27.7
Hopper 2019 - 26.4
#1 - Prestia - 24.8
#2 - Short- 24.3
#3 - Cotchin- 22.6

Tackles:
Taranto 2019 - 6.3
#1 - Graham- 4.7
Hopper 2019 - 4.1
#2 - Nank- 3.7
#3 - Prestia- 3

Inside 50s:
#1 - Short - 4.9
#2 - Martin- 4.4
#3 - Bolton- 4.35
#4 - Graham - 4.2
#5 - Prestia- 4.1
Taranto 2019 - 4.1
Hopper 2019 - 3.9

Contested Possessions:
Taranto 2019 - 16.3
Hopper 2019 - 13.9
#1 - Prestia - 11.1
#2 - Cotchin- 10.7
#3 - Bolton- 9.1

Clearances:
Hopper 2019 - 6.2
#1 - Prestia - 5.9
Taranto 2019 - 5.3
#2 - Cotchin- 5
#3 - Nank - 5

Now that is looking extremely nice

 

[tiger_tough]

Has Rhan Hooper

Rhan Hooper

Age

37

Ht

177cm

Wt

76kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.5

2star

K

6.0

2star

HB

3.5

3star

M

2.5

3star

T

3.8

5star

G

1.0

4star

No current season stats available

D

6.2

2star

K

4.2

2star

HB

2.0

2star

M

1.0

1star

T

3.4

5star

G

0.4

3star

officially nominated us yet?

 

[prodigy]

Some serious commitment being shown in this thread....or shitposting...or both

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Oof that post to like ratio... ouch.

 

[RobsJourney]

Is Parfitt available? Decent mid and finds himself on the fringe at the Cats...

 

[JAKLAUGHING]

farkk me they are an impatient lot

one of the worst lists in the comp and they want finals in 2023

 

[Calcium Man]

The worst part is you can’t put him on ignore because the thread makes no sense with everyone responding

It’s not as difficult as you think. You just assume the magic post is incoherent, implausible, insanely complicated, inconsistent with their previous posts and completely different to what Richmond is doing.

Meanwhile all the responses are like exasperated parents telling their 2/3 year old over and over again that they either wear a nappy or go to the toilet but don’t piss all over the floor/bed/couch etc…

 

[Noidnadroj]

Pick 27 is not enough for JGTI. If it had been an end of first that would be about right. Pick 27 and their 2023 second-rounder, maybe with our 2023 third going back to them.

TBH JGTI is ‘worth’ around #20. However, we are much better with mid-late 20 picks (Bolton, Sonsie, Edwards) than 20’ish (RCD, CJ, Dow, Griffiths).

So 27 and a future 2nd with a 3rd going back much better than a single pick around #20.


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