List Mgmt. Trade & Free Agency talk Pt 6

[tunksy]

No to hh. No to treacy.

Develop Samson and bradtke and Bauer.

It’ll be about opportunities at senior level very soon.

 

[tiger_tough]

I still reckon Jake Riccardi would be a good moneyball selection. Out of contract.

 

[_RT_]

Harry Himmelberg is not worth $750-800k. Offering him that is poor financial management and I trust that Hartley isn't going to get sacked in.

 

[Rioli2Rioli]

He was injured a lot of last year and just couldn't get a clean run at it. From what I can tell he's a similar type to Fogarty at Adelaide. Still carrying a bit of weight and growing into his body. He's only 20 but has some potential. One thing for sure, he's a lovely long straight kick as a rule. I hope we're having a close look at him because he's a natural al forward and by the time he's 24 he could be a real player. He's inconsistent at the moment and still learning the game at the level but geez, he shows some good signs. Victorian lad too. He'd be a gamble but a cheap one.

I really dont see it with Treacy and maybe i just have not seen enough of his good games but strictly going by his stats he just projects as a FF from the 80's with not alot of tricks to his game

20 games
7 possessions
2 tackles
0.8 goals per game
2.5 clangers per game
64% DE

Going by games experience and not age as Harry Himmelleberg was 1 year older at 24 games mainly due to personnel available at GWS

24 games
12 possessions
2 tackles
1.2 goals (with Jeromey Cameron in the same team)
1.8 clangers
71% DE

Both players are the same height but HH is 4 kgs lighter

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Are his performances at state league any better than our untried kpp prospects at state league ,, he’s been bloody ordinary at afl level , he’s a bush lug, pass

So is Bradke

 

[Rioli2Rioli]

HH hasn't been able to hold down a consistent spot at GWS and we want him here, and supposedly happy to offer him $750k - $800k a season, give me a spell.

If we get him on the absolute cheap, and I'm talking $450k-$500k then yes, I see the value he may add to our side, but offering him big money when he has had PLENTY of time to establish himself as a key player at GWS and hasn't, and hoping he will suddenly do that here at what, age 28, we are kidding ourselves.

In fact, I'd offer that to Tabernar at Freo before I offer it to HH, and Tabernar has never become the player who could/should, but at least we would know he could play KPF all the time and take an oppo KPD.

Jeromey Cameron was the same age when traded to geelong for the 3 picks (not that im saying HH is the same quality)
JC las season at GWS compared to 2022

Jeremy Cameron and Jeremy Cameron AFL Stats Comparison

Jeremy Cameron and Jeremy Cameron AFL Stats Comparison.

www.footywire.com

JC v HH at the same club in 2020 - Stats

Jeremy Cameron and Harrison Himmelberg AFL Stats Comparison

Jeremy Cameron and Harrison Himmelberg AFL Stats Comparison.

www.footywire.com

 

[Rioli2Rioli]

Really, he 27 now I think, so 28 next year, what "Large Scope" for improvement does he actually have. 27 he should already be in his prime.

I agree he appears to have great traits, but the reality is, he doesn't show them often enough for us to put a large offer in front of him.
His best looks great, I also agree, however he is so inconsistent that her doesn't warrant the offer.

The only thing going for him is his FA status, he wouldn't cost any draft collateral, but we laugh at the stupid money Carlton threw at the like of Martin and McGovern, this would be similar IMO

Look i wouldnt trade a top 20 pick to get HH on $700k but as a free agent in a year where we need a direct replacement for Jack for the next 4-5 years
he will fill that Role and need to get an understanding of what $$$ premium is paid for Free Agent status

But as a comparison you just need to look at Marbior Chol contract at the Suns
4 x $450k
Dan McStay is a pretty good comparison but only had 1 club interested which limits the $$$ value and you would be hard pressed to find anybody that prefers McStay to HH and he got a $600k x 5 deal

 

[Bevoman]

He's 26 and GWS have only had one decent KPF reach somewhat near their potential in their existence - Jeremy Cameron, and even he's a far better and more complete player now than he ever was at GWS.

As long as the contract doesn't cripple us in the future (which I can't imagine it would given how many well paid retirees we will have in the next 5 years) then who cares? Everyone laughed at the McStay deal too and even though he's just playing a role I'm sure pies are more than happy.

Gott im Himmel: he can play either end, a lot of clubs have their eye on his contract status.
Being from Wagga he may not wish to live in Melbourne.

 

[YeOldTiger]

I really dont see it with Treacy and maybe i just have not seen enough of his good games but strictly going by his stats he just projects as a FF from the 80's with not alot of tricks to his game

20 games
7 possessions
2 tackles
0.8 goals per game
2.5 clangers per game
64% DE

Going by games experience and not age as Harry Himmelleberg was 1 year older at 24 games mainly due to personnel available at GWS

24 games
12 possessions
2 tackles
1.2 goals (with Jeromey Cameron in the same team)
1.8 clangers
71% DE

Both players are the same height but HH is 4 kgs lighter

Yep, one of them is now 27yo and what you see is what you get and he's about $800k for 5 years on the open market.

The other is 20, missed almost his full second year injured and has had a stuttering start to his third year in the system. Imagine trying to play as a junior key forward in Freo's set up so far this year. However stats aside he was very impressive in his debut year with enough glimpses to make me sit up and take notice and I'm sure I'm not the only one.

I posted his brief highlights package which showed he's much more than a one trick pony. He's just scratching the surface at AFL level. Having seen him play every game so far and several of them live his potential is way better than those stats indicate most of which were accumulated in his first year as an 18 yo. He won't even hit prime for five years. Someone is going to get a very serviceable or better key forward imo. Also he's about a third of what HH would cost. When HH is 32, this kid will be 25.

 

[Rioli2Rioli]

Yep, one of them is now 27yo and what you see is what you get and he's about $800k for 5 years on the open market.

The other is 20, missed almost his full second year injured and has had a stuttering start to his third year in the system. Imagine trying to play as a junior key forward in Freo's set up so far this year. However stats aside he was very impressive in his debut year with enough glimpses to make me sit up and take notice and I'm sure I'm not the only one.

I posted his brief highlights package which showed he's much more than on one trick pony. He's just scratching the surface at AFL level. Having seen him play every game so far and several of them live his potential is way better than those stats indicate most of which were accumulated in his first year as an 18 yo. He won't even hit prime for five years. Someone is going to get a very serviceable or better key forward imo. Also he's about a third of what HH would cost. When HH is 32, this kid will be 25.

And that could be exactly right and as i said maybe i have not seen enough of him to say yes/no
But what would he cost trade ?

 

[Bojangles17]

So is Bradke

Bradke isn’t slow , that’s the difference and he’s untried at afl thats also the difference

 

[YeOldTiger]

And that could be exactly right and as i said maybe i have not seen enough of him to say yes/no
But what would he cost trade ?

Late second rounder or future second at best you'd think if he can play some regular footy. If he gets up and running at Freo (likely to give him a good run at it if they go 1-4 or worse over the next few weeks) and he plays regularly his price will go up.

Look, it's unlikely we'd go for him because we took Bauer last year and Bradke this year but I reckon he compares easily. He's a natural footballer with plenty of key traits, his kicking is a big plus and he's aggressive (nearly killed a few blokes hello Crozier with tackles) and he really crashes packs and takes one grab marks which is what raised eyebrows in 2021.

I think he could be as good maybe better long term than HH for a fraction of the cost and 10 years value instead of five or less.

It's just my opinion man. Lol

 

[Rioli2Rioli]

I think he could be as good maybe better long term than HH for a fraction of the cost and 10 years value instead of five or less.

It's just my opinion man. Lol

Yes and thats why we are all here and expressing 'just' opinions and none of us has any actual influence

Lets agree then and get both

Harry Himmelberg as a free agent and trade our Broad Compo or 3rd rounder for Treacy

 

[YeOldTiger]

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Bradke isn’t slow , that’s the difference and he’s untried at afl thats also the difference

Treacy 2.97 20m is hardly slow for a 6'4" bloke.

 

[YeOldTiger]

Yes and thats why we are all here and expressing 'just' opinions and none of us has any actual influence

Lets agree then and get both

Harry Himmelberg as a free agent and trade our Broad Compo or 3rd rounder for Treacy

Cover all the bases hey

Like I said it's unlikely now we have gone with Bradke and as a tiger he will get my support but I will be interested to watch how they both progress.

Josh Treacy Draft Profile

central.rookieme.com

 

[Rioli2Rioli]

Cover all the bases hey

Like I said it's unlikely now we have gone with Bradke and as a tiger he will get my support but I will be interested to watch how they both progress.

Josh Treacy Draft Profile

central.rookieme.com

We really should have 5-6 fowards on the list 193cm+ we really only have 3 if we deduct jack
Lynch
Bradtke
Bauer (192cm)
miller

2 years ago we had
CCJ
Lynch
Miller
Chol
Jack

List demographic would look better if we did get 2

 

[Bojangles17]

We really should have 5-6 fowards on the list 193cm+ we really only have 3 if we deduct jack
Lynch
Bradtke
Bauer (192cm)
miller

2 years ago we had
CCJ
Lynch
Miller
Chol
Jack

List demographic would look better if we did get 2

You left out Ryan who dimma has said is more of a forward prob than miller

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Bradke isn’t slow , that’s the difference and he’s untried at afl thats also the difference

Was under Sydneys nose.
With 2 aging fwds.
Yet they still passed
That's a concern.

 

[Rioli2Rioli]

Forget Ben King

34

Ben King

Age

24

Ht

202cm

Wt

98kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

7.2

2star

K

5.0

2star

HB

2.2

2star

M

3.5

4star

T

0.5

3star

G

1.3

5star

D

7.5

2star

K

5.6

2star

HB

1.9

1star

M

3.6

4star

T

0.3

1star

G

1.5

5star

D

6.8

2star

K

4.4

2star

HB

2.4

3star

M

3.2

4star

T

0.2

3star

G

1.0

4star

For that type of cash

Jack Lukosius ​

contracted to end of 2026

 

[Bojangles17]

Was under Sydneys nose.
With 2 aging fwds.
Yet they still passed
That's a concern.

They had to draft him and had amarty who prob regard at same or more advanced level being in system already , not sure that’s very credible challenge

 

[Profop]

Was under Sydneys nose.
With 2 aging fwds.
Yet they still passed
That's a concern.

Sydney have Amartey, McLean and McDonald all trying to cement spots really don’t think they’re all that fussed with speculative young key forwards

 

[Stars align]

I live in Freo as well. What are your thoughts on 20yo Josh Treacy ? Has shown a bit at times. He'd be way cheaper than HH and has plenty of upside.

Would be happy to have a crack at treacy
Good size moves well and has a bit of c#£t in him
His development has been hampered by Freo inability to develop key forwards and would slot in nicely alongside Tom

 

[Bojangles17]

I still reckon Jake Riccardi would be a good moneyball selection. Out of contract.

Nope VFL player , never consistently been at the level in his senior appearances

 

[tiger_tough]

Nope VFL player , never consistently been at the level in his senior appearances

Neither was Houli

 

[Daka]

The question is do we stay on this path of topping up players in the next 2-3 years? the pressure on Hardwick is going to come I have no doubt in my mind.
We know how it can be a ruthless business.