List Mgmt. Trade & Free Agency talk Pt 7

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[Bojangles17]

Regardless of the merits of both players. At that point a back flanker over a kpf prospect was dumb. Even dumber when you consider our lack of talls. The list is loaded with flankers, especially didn’t need one with a poor tank and average speed.


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We took gibcus with first pic he’s 195

 

[panatha1908]

Unless Grundy goes to port. See what happens.

Soldo works for one of those clubs too, port or swans improve with him as first ruck

 

[panatha1908]

Isn't our list management strategy to bring in kpf as a free agent? You pay a bit more dollars wise but you save about 10 wasted draftbpicks. Even number 1s barely work out. Look at Boyd, patton etc

 

[Rioli2Rioli]

Given he's under contract, I seriously doubt Collingwood would let him leave for anything less than a high third rounder.

Not sure if i would part with our early 3rd rounder

But i would gibe a 2nd rounder for the Pies to keep him


apart from his ducking has SFA going for him as a footballer

 

[Maurice Mitchell]

Isn't our list management strategy to bring in kpf as a free agent? You pay a bit more dollars wise but you save about 10 wasted draftbpicks. Even number 1s barely work out. Look at Boyd, patton etc

…..McCartin. Exactly

 

[tigerfan1961]

Brown was a reach at the time. Let’s see if it was worth it down the track.

Can’t agree with you there, many draft watchers in the media had him as a late first or early second round pick. FWIW, I think it’s far too early to deem it a mistake as we have zero idea how his career will play out. From what I’ve observed, he’s going to be a very very good player

 

[tigerfan1961]

So it’s dud recruiting then? As I have also been saying.

So since we got Lynch, we’ve drafted in Samson Ryan (a pure ruck not a KF), Bauer a mid season pick and Bradtke a Hail Mary SSP pick and you say, they’ve been trying?

Wouldn’t you think knowing Jack had only a few years left and Lynch the only other known forward you’d want that to be different? In particular when both Chol and CCJ up and left?

To me you just validated my point. Club has been complacent and failed to plan. Arrogance more than anything.

Again Bob, how do you know what Hartley and co have been planning? Perhaps they have someone lined up to trade in? It’s hard graft when you don’t have the early selections though.

 

[NZ_Tiger]

Wasn't a mistake at the time.
We didn't need Allen with Jack & Lynch.
We needed a ruck/fwd
Cj left so we got Sampson.

It was a massive mistake on the night and heaps of people on here said we’d regret it. Personally I thought Higgins over Allen was the bigger **** up.


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[archer the tiger]

Good , I don’t want us using precious collateral on a 5”8 player

You wouldn’t say that if he was 6”8!

 

[_RT_]

So it’s dud recruiting then? As I have also been saying.

So since we got Lynch, we’ve drafted in Samson Ryan (a pure ruck not a KF), Bauer a mid season pick and Bradtke a Hail Mary SSP pick and you say, they’ve been trying?

Wouldn’t you think knowing Jack had only a few years left and Lynch the only other known forward you’d want that to be different? In particular when both Chol and CCJ up and left?

To me you just validated my point. Club has been complacent and failed to plan. Arrogance more than anything.

Ever stopped and thought maybe the
KPF options available to us since we got Lynch haven't been good enough for us to draft?

Here are the KPF we had access to, at our picks in the drafts between 2018-2023

2018 - Koschitzke
2019 - Harrison Jones Charlie Comben Jake Riccardi
2020 - Ollie Lord Josh Treacy*
2021 - Jacob Van Rooyen
2022 - Phoenix Foster Tom Scully

* - rookie draft pick

Outside Van Rooyen who we know you said we should have taken over Brown, how many of the others would you have taken over the players we actually took?

 

[Noidnadroj]

So it’s dud recruiting then? As I have also been saying.

So since we got Lynch, we’ve drafted in Samson Ryan (a pure ruck not a KF), Bauer a mid season pick and Bradtke a Hail Mary SSP pick and you say, they’ve been trying?

Wouldn’t you think knowing Jack had only a few years left and Lynch the only other known forward you’d want that to be different? In particular when both Chol and CCJ up and left?

To me you just validated my point. Club has been complacent and failed to plan. Arrogance more than anything.

No, the point is we’d tried about 12 different players and used 8 x top-40 draft picks and not got a single quality KPF out of any of them. So I’m sure they decided to utilise the picks on other areas of the ground with a plan to get a KPF in a trade or as a free agent over the next season or two.

Given the long list of failures isn’t it logical we wouldn’t select another 1 or 2 with our valuable top-30 picks just to burn those as well?

So I’m not saying the drafting of the KPF options has been good.. it’s been poor - but we are not Robinson Crusoe there, particularly without access to high picks. So it makes sense to look at other avenues for a KPF and not keep wasting draft picks on them given we’d failed with 8 x top-40 picks.

Don’t get me wrong .. I’d love a high quality KPF waiting in the wings but we’ve been blessed to have one for 16-years and another for 5-years and counting as they are very very hard to find, particularly with very little access to high draft picks.




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[Drunken Wookie]

jvr's ceiling could very well be at darling/membery level, he's got talent but he's not buddy, he's not riewoldt and he's not lynch. would be handy but people are clamouring to get a grip on his stick because he's shown some potential, yet refuse to use that same positive outlook on brown because hes pigeonholed as "another flanker". the hysteria is silly at this very early stage.

 

[TheOptimum18]

I think it's also worthy to note that JVR wasn't considered one of the star KPFs of the draft, rather a genuine swingman who could play either ends of the pitch.

Considering we picked up Young, it also isn't out of the realms of possibility that we focused on JVR being a key def rather than a key fwd if we did pick him over Brown

 

[Meteoric Rise]

jvr's ceiling could very well be at darling/membery level, he's got talent but he's not buddy, he's not riewoldt and he's not lynch. would be handy but people are clamouring to get a grip on his stick because he's shown some potential, yet refuse to use that same positive outlook on brown because hes pigeonholed as "another flanker". the hysteria is silly at this very early stage.

JVR is not going to be making a major impact in big games until 2026 at the earliest, he would have been near worthless to us so far. As you say, there might be some talent there and he is tracking ok but he is mostly losing his position, and needs a lot in his favour at this stage to operate effectively.

Your post is spot on, JVR is not threatening to be some generational key forward.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

So it’s dud recruiting then? As I have also been saying.

So since we got Lynch, we’ve drafted in Samson Ryan (a pure ruck not a KF), Bauer a mid season pick and Bradtke a Hail Mary SSP pick and you say, they’ve been trying?

Wouldn’t you think knowing Jack had only a few years left and Lynch the only other known forward you’d want that to be different? In particular when both Chol and CCJ up and left?

To me you just validated my point. Club has been complacent and failed to plan. Arrogance more than anything.

We had a big hole this year simply due to losing Chol and Coleman-Jones. The latter was a serious attempt at a key forward who could also ruck, to dove-tail with Riewoldt's career. It was just a bit unlucky it didn't quite al line up right, both for CCJ and Richmond.

No list manager is going to be able to make those things work in the club's favour in every single instance, neither are they going to get the best available option at every selection at the draft. All you can reasonably expect is a sensible approach is adopted, and it was. Sometimes things not lining up right works in or favour(Nankervis from Sydney for eg.) And sometimes it doesn't go your way and you lose a player you have put effort into developing, like Coleman-Jones.

Our list management team has shown they will not panic, and will just wait for the first decent chance to address the problem.

 

[Harrison Bergeron]

I think it's also worthy to note that JVR wasn't considered one of the star KPFs of the draft, rather a genuine swingman who could play either ends of the pitch.

Considering we picked up Young, it also isn't out of the realms of possibility that we focused on JVR being a key def rather than a key fwd if we did pick him over Brown

Considering we'd already picked up Gibcus I very much doubt that.

 

[wegetpumped]

Ever stopped and thought maybe the
KPF options available to us since we got Lynch haven't been good enough for us to draft?

Here are the KPF we had access to, at our picks in the drafts between 2018-2023

2018 - Koschitzke
2019 - Harrison Jones Charlie Comben Jake Riccardi
2020 - Ollie Lord Josh Treacy*
2021 - Jacob Van Rooyen
2022 - Phoenix Foster Tom Scully

* - rookie draft pick

Outside Van Rooyen who we know you said we should have taken over Brown, how many of the others would you have taken over the players we actually took?

After the fact is always good to compare Tambling's draft to now we just failed to nail anything in the draft on many occasions. We have gotten some players who turned out okay but still, it's a failure for me. We have better luck bringing them ready-made from other clubs that's Blair's legacy.
Drafts are like the flip of the coin if we got who we wanted in Dusty's day we would not have gotten dusty and the 3 premierships.

 

[RJK Tiger]

Thinking about it more, Soldo could possibly get a late 2nd from someone like St Kilda or Swans, likely with us adding our 4th rounder or something - effectively making it a sizey pick upgrade. When i watched the Saints fart away their season, i did think Soldo playing ruck and physically imposing in the game, provding some physical back up to a fairly raw King.

I'm not against keeping Soldo. When you are a going through these rebuilds your need protectors and bulls to stand up for a young group, physically. It would need to be a good deal to move him as realistically if we do move on from him - he would need to replace him with something. Samson Ryan is still sketchy at best as a prospect.

 

[tora tora tora]

JVR is not going to be making a major impact in big games until 2026 at the earliest, he would have been near worthless to us so far. As you say, there might be some talent there and he is tracking ok but he is mostly losing his position, and needs a lot in his favour at this stage to operate effectively.

Your post is spot on, JVR is not threatening to be some generational key forward.

Brown over JVR was a miss. JVR has played 20 games in a team that finished 4th on the ladder. Coming off a flag 2 years ago. His back up ruck work is keeping Grundy out of the team. Not too shabby for a 20 y.o.
Maybe JVR gets us a win or 2 and make the 8.


Tarrant was just OK. , Hopper and Tarranto was one mid too many. Coulthard? Pat on the back to the recruiters for the great story.

But what list need? Dimma's 4 small forward line?


I hope we ditch that approach. Gotta get a new game plan I think.

I hope the new coach starts influencing list decisions.

Who's left to cover the KPF hole? Tabener? hopefully Gibcus or Balta, Bauer

 

[Aeons]

Ever stopped and thought maybe the
KPF options available to us since we got Lynch haven't been good enough for us to draft?

Here are the KPF we had access to, at our picks in the drafts between 2018-2023

2018 - Koschitzke
2019 - Harrison Jones Charlie Comben Jake Riccardi
2020 - Ollie Lord Josh Treacy*
2021 - Jacob Van Rooyen
2022 - Phoenix Foster Tom Scully

* - rookie draft pick

Outside Van Rooyen who we know you said we should have taken over Brown, how many of the others would you have taken over the players we actually took?

Ollie lord has been looking pretty good this year. has plenty of upside imo...

 

[Drunken Wookie]

Ollie lord has been looking pretty good this year. has plenty of upside imo...

Lord will be a star unfortunately.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

It was a massive mistake on the night and heaps of people on here said we’d regret it. Personally I thought Higgins over Allen was the bigger * up.


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FMD how do we regret it 2 flags later.lol
At the time our need wasn't for another fwd.We had Jack and Lynch(Coming in 12mnths).
Allen wasn't even West Coasts 1st kp choice and he was playing right under their noses.lol.
We needed a Kp/Ruck to support Nank hence CCJ.

 

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[domin8]

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Keep JB, Dow, Mansell. Chop Biggy and Mate. Put HRS on the table

 

[Noidnadroj]

Brown over JVR was a miss. JVR has played 20 games in a team that finished 4th on the ladder. Coming off a flag 2 years ago. His back up ruck work is keeping Grundy out of the team. Not too shabby for a 20 y.o.
Maybe JVR gets us a win or 2 and make the 8.


Tarrant was just OK. , Hopper and Tarranto was one mid too many. Coulthard? Pat on the back to the recruiters for the great story.

But what list need? Dimma's 4 small forward line?


I hope we ditch that approach. Gotta get a new game plan I think.

I hope the new coach starts influencing list decisions.

Who's left to cover the KPF hole? Tabener? hopefully Gibcus or Balta, Bauer

Right now if given our time again I’d take JVR over Brown. However, there’s every chance in 2-years time that Brown over JVR may look like the correct call.

Hodge over Judd looked like a massive mistake for about 4-years …

Cam McCarthy played 20 games and kicked 35 goals in his second season. Almost identical age in second season:

McCarthy v JVR:

Disposals: 9.0 v 8.7
Marks: 3.6 v 3.1
Goals: 1.8 v 1.4
I50’s : 1.9 v 1.2
GA’s: 0.4 v 0.3
SI’s: 4.6 v 4.0

So who knows what JVR ends up producing..??

He could be Mihocek, he could be Riccardi, he could be Dixon or he could be McCarthy.

And Tom Brown could be Vlastuin, he could be Tom Stewart, he could be Luke Ryan or he could be Lachie Plowman.

Let’s give it another 2+ seasons before deciding on success or otherwise of the Brown pick over JVR.


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