List Mgmt. Trade & Free Agency talk Pt 7

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[Dr Tigris]

So want to see more of this.

If he can do a decent B grade job up forward it solves so many problems. If he can fulfill bis potential up forward we have an A grader.

Hope he can come back this year. So much talent

 

[Muddiemoose]

i would be chasing brodie grundy and bailey sniff grundy would come cheap as collingwood and melb paying the wage and a big upgrade on nank who i reckon is just about battered while smith would solve our wing problem and would be a huge upgrade on either kmac or pickett

The deal for his wage between Melbourne and Collingwood would be void if Melbourne traded him so we would need to renegotiate only with Melbourne and probably still need to spend upwards of 650 - 700k a year a year for him

Plus he is injury prone & 29 years old
An absolute pass imo
Better off continuing to play Nank with one eye towards the future and Ryan eventually taking on the role

 

[Harrison Bergeron]

There really needs be a reaction for when you half like-half dislike a post.

 

[SA_Tiger11]

Gibcus will be our future key forward.

2 years alongside Lynch learning the craft then the forward lines yours Josh!

 

[fargothegreat]

Gibcus will be our future key forward.

2 years alongside Lynch learning the craft then the forward lines yours Josh!

Be interesting to see if they train him there over preseason. He spent all of this preseason down back.

Grimes is almost certain to be finishing up next year, so there will be a spot there for him in the future.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

i would be chasing brodie grundy and bailey sniff grundy would come cheap as collingwood and melb paying the wage and a big upgrade on nank who i reckon is just about battered while smith would solve our wing problem and would be a huge upgrade on either kmac or pickett

You know Grundy is older than Nank?

 

[tiger_tough]

Be interesting to see if they train him there over preseason. He spent all of this preseason down back.

Grimes is almost certain to be finishing up next year, so there will be a spot there for him in the future.

We have Balta and Young as the 2 KPDs plus Broad and Trezise so we probably don't need Gibcus back next year. Miller has played his best footy as a KPD too.

 

[Maurice Mitchell]

Unfortunately we can’t really worry about it or plan around it either

It just will be whatever it will be and purely luck

All we can hope is at some point our club reaps the rewards of the system again

At least we’re getting plenty of 100 game players

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

We have Balta and Young as the 2 KPDs plus Broad and Trezise so we probably don't need Gibcus back next year. Miller has played his best footy as a KPD too.

Young has been the bonus which should allow Gibcus fwd.

 

[Maurice Mitchell]

There really needs be a reaction for when you half like-half dislike a post.

A yeah-nah emoji

 

[Meteoric Rise]

The deal for his wage between Melbourne and Collingwood would be void if Melbourne traded him so we would need to renegotiate only with Melbourne and probably still need to spend upwards of 650 - 700k a year a year for him

Plus he is injury prone & 29 years old
An absolute pass imo
Better off continuing to play Nank with one eye towards the future and Ryan eventually taking on the role

Why do you think the Collingwood liability to Grundy's salary would be voided if he was traded on by Melbourne? Collingwood contracted until 2027 at $1m. As far as I know they agreed to trade him out with $300k pa to be paid by them until 2027. I can't see how that changes no matter where grundy goes, so long as he continues to meet his obligations under the contract by being available to play AFL footy. Melbourne would be on the hook for $2.8m over the next 4 years. It is possible they can shift all or part of that obligation to another club if they wished to, and a suitable deal could be struck.

Definitely agree he is a pass for us, but he may make sense to some club keen on a number one ruck, Cats, Port, Eagles, Swans, maybe Saints, who knows. Strange case really, Pies contracted him on that massive salary and his output plummeted immediately. But he still looks a more than competitive ruck, if a little lacking in campaigner. A club may think he is worth paying $600k x 4 years and give up a pick in th 30's for the privilege, Melbourne pay $100k, Pies pay $300k. That's the way I read it anyway. But please, not Richmond.

 

[Morro]

Why do you think the Collingwood liability to Grundy's salary would be voided if he was traded on by Melbourne? Collingwood contracted until 2027 at $1m. As far as I know they agreed to trade him out with $300k pa to be paid by them until 2027. I can't see how that changes no matter where grundy goes, so long as he continues to meet his obligations under the contract by being available to play AFL footy. Melbourne would be on the hook for $2.8m over the next 4 years. It is possible they can shift all or part of that obligation to another club if they wished to, and a suitable deal could be struck.

Definitely agree he is a pass for us, but he may make sense to some club keen on a number one ruck, Cats, Port, Eagles, Swans, maybe Saints, who knows. Strange case really, Pies contracted him on that massive salary and his output plummeted immediately. But he still looks a more than competitive ruck, if a little lacking in campaigner. A club may think he is worth paying $600k x 4 years and give up a pick in th 30's for the privilege, Melbourne pay $100k, Pies pay $300k. That's the way I read it anyway. But please, not Richmond.

The agreement the pies have with Melbourne is between them only, it was reported last week that if he is on traded, the pies no longer have to pay for him.

 

[Muddiemoose]

Why do you think the Collingwood liability to Grundy's salary would be voided if he was traded on by Melbourne? Collingwood contracted until 2027 at $1m. As far as I know they agreed to trade him out with $300k pa to be paid by them until 2027. I can't see how that changes no matter where grundy goes, so long as he continues to meet his obligations under the contract by being available to play AFL footy. Melbourne would be on the hook for $2.8m over the next 4 years. It is possible they can shift all or part of that obligation to another club if they wished to, and a suitable deal could be struck.

Definitely agree he is a pass for us, but he may make sense to some club keen on a number one ruck, Cats, Port, Eagles, Swans, maybe Saints, who knows. Strange case really, Pies contracted him on that massive salary and his output plummeted immediately. But he still looks a more than competitive ruck, if a little lacking in campaigner. A club may think he is worth paying $600k x 4 years and give up a pick in th 30's for the privilege, Melbourne pay $100k, Pies pay $300k. That's the way I read it anyway. But please, not Richmond.

It was reported last week as Morro mentioned

One of our posters quoted the report in on the main board

7NEWS chief football reporter Tom Browne has revealed fresh details about the former Magpie’s contract.

Grundy was on around $900,000 a year at Collingwood and the Pies agreed to pay a large portion of his contract while he was at Melbourne - somewhere between $250-300,000.

But Browne says, under the contract terms, that agreement exists only between Collingwood and Melbourne and can’t be transferred.

“If he wants to move clubs, the AFL rules do theoretically allow three clubs to pay part of his wage,” Browne said.

“But Melbourne have an agreement with Collingwood only to pay about three-quarters (of his wage, while Collingwood pays the rest) ...

 

[fargothegreat]

It was reported last week as Morro mentioned

One of our posters quoted the report in on the main board

Tom Browne though

 

[Muddiemoose]

Tom Browne though

If anyone would know it’s him (his dad is the president of the club after all)

 

[fargothegreat]

If anyone would know it’s him (his dad is the president of the club after all)

His Dad being president didn't stop him from being woefully wrong when it came to the reporting around Tassie's licence. I lost count of the amount of times he said the bid was dead.

He seems to report what he wants to be the truth as the truth.

 

[SplintWhisky]

We have Balta and Young as the 2 KPDs plus Broad and Trezise so we probably don't need Gibcus back next year. Miller has played his best footy as a KPD too.

Gibcus would take the Grimes spot whilst Brown/Trezise are more Broad replacement types.

I am real sceptical that he will make it as a forward and am real confident on the early crow that he will be a shadow of a player he would end up as a back, when played forward

 

[Meteoric Rise]

It was reported last week as Morro mentioned

One of our posters quoted the report in on the main board

The way that reads, Collingwood could agree to carrying on paying him at another club if it suits them. It may be for eg Melbourne agree to reduced Collingwood's burden slightly in return for Collingwood agreeing to pay part of his salary at a third club. Many other variations are possible I am sure.

 

[Noidnadroj]

The thing with the Pies is that they have someone in Mihocek who leads their forward line. Lynch leads ours, and Jack has been doing that role admirably over the last 3 months, when he should have been enjoying a final lap. Finding that next leader of the forward line is the most important thing when it comes to our future success and I just don't think that HH can be that.



Happy to agree to disagree on this, rather than go around in circles. I respect that you and others want HH and at the start of the year I was happy for him to come across at the right price as I thought we'd be back in the hunt for another flag run. But with how the season has unfolded, including Hardwick departing and Lynch being out long term, I no longer see the value in bringing in a 27-28 year old 2nd/3rd string KPF to try and remain competitive. What I see as the best course of action for us moving forward is to set up the forward line around Lynch, put time and effort into developing the young KPPs that we've got on the list. Hit the draft/trade table and try and uncover a younger option that can step in and lead the forward line from 2025.

If that means in 2024 we have to go with a forward line with 2 of Ryan Bradtke Bauer Miller as the focal points, then so be it, what's the worse that can happen. We bottom out and get a top 5 pick to take to the draft or dangle at the trade table, on the flip side we'd quickly find out if those guys are worth continuing with, or need to be shipped off for someone new.

The Pies tall forwards are journeymen … Mihocek, Cox and Johnson. Port and second with a banged up Dixon and a good player in Marshall …. Who missed 6-weeks.

You don’t need a gun KPF … you just need competitors.

Even over the last 6-weeks, Richmond is the #1 team at converting a forward 50 entry into a score. #1! That’s with a cooked Jack and no other KPF. That’s because we are unpredictable
and have improved the quality of our entries.

Hopefully one of Bradtke, Bauer or Gibcus can be the focal point for our next generation. I was totally against it being Gibcus until I saw Tyler Young is the second best in the competition in 1v1 defensive loss rate.

I’m only in favour of getting HH if we don’t flip flop him forward and back. He’s not the answer up forward - he’s not crash and bash or competitive enough in the air to be the answer. But if we get him to play back as we believe Gibcus has the tools to be a KPF then I’d be ok at the right price.


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[Hoos]

Father son alone has set Geelong up, part of the reason they are yet to really bottom out. Ours in the time I have followed Richmond.

David Bourke - 85 games however I never really rated him
Steven Morris - 87 games. More a VFL player then AFL
Andrew Raines - 56? games
Tom Roach - 11 games never rated.
Patrick Naish

Not a strong list that's for sure. Does not help most of our players have daughters.

You not counting Richo?

 

[Harrison Bergeron]

I'd say HH would still at least be swung forward from time to time even if we play him as a back.

 

[Hoos]

If anyone would know it’s him (his dad is the president of the club after all)

And he went to Melbourne Uni.

 

[Muddiemoose]

The way that reads, Collingwood could agree to carrying on paying him at another club if it suits them. It may be for eg Melbourne agree to reduced Collingwood's burden slightly in return for Collingwood agreeing to pay part of his salary at a third club. Many other variations are possible I am sure.

But why would Collingwood agree?
Yes they could but they would have zero incentive and obligation to do so

The burden of the contract is now on Melbourne, trading Grundy to another club would shift that burden onto a new club and Melbourne would probably need to take on some of the contract to make the trade happen

But that agreement between Collingwood and Melbourne would become void and why would Collingwood agree to continue the pay if they aren’t obligated

 

[Meteoric Rise]

But why would Collingwood agree?
Yes they could but they would have zero incentive and obligation to do so

The burden of the contract is now on Melbourne, trading Grundy to another club would shift that burden onto a new club and Melbourne would probably need to take on some of the contract to make the trade happen

But that agreement between Collingwood and Melbourne would become void and why would Collingwood agree to continue the pay if they aren’t obligated

If it is actually true as Tom Brown reported it...

If Melbourne went to Collingwood and said we would like to trade him on and if you allow us to do so we will reduce your burden from $300k to $200k per season. Why would Collingwood say no?

 

[tigs2010]

Tom Browne though

Was going to say same thing. Can basically toss it in the complete bullshit pile