List Mgmt. Trade & Free Agency talk Pt 7

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tiger_tough said:
Hopper and Taranto can work in the same midfield. They're both inside mids with average at best disposal but they play the role differently. Hopper is a bash and crash big body with a good side step through traffic while Taranto is more gut running, outworking, bottom of the pack ball winner. Either way, we're stuck with them long term so Yze has to find a way to make them click. Perracca and Oliver (yes, I know they're better) are both poor by foot but work together well.

The problem is Prestia at the moment. He's lost some pace and fumbles a lot more. Those 3 arent a good mix, or at least didnt look like it on the weekend. We need some speed and skill in there. Dusty will help. Bolton rolling through there helps and McAuliffe should come in ASAP. I said in another thread its time to move Prestia onto a half forward flank and play Taranto, Hopper, Dusty/Bolton and McAuliffe in the guts.

There's a decent mix in there somewhere, Yze has to figure it out.
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Until they can get more speed in that midfield, its going to be flogged.

we had 4 apparently inside/clearance mids in Prestia, Hopper, Taranto, Dow, who collectively lost to Rowell in that area, 20 to 14. That is about as bad as it gets.
 
RJK Tiger said:
Until they can get more speed in that midfield, its going to be flogged.

we had 4 apparently inside/clearance mids in Prestia, Hopper, Taranto, Dow, who collectively lost to Rowell in that area, 20 to 14. That is about as bad as it gets.
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Rowell is not quick, neither is Tom Green. Probably the 2 best young mids in the comp.

Lack of speed is a BS excuse for players that just can't get the ball
 
Lord of the Wings said:
Rowell is not quick, neither is Tom Green. Probably the 2 best young mids in the comp.

Lack of speed is a BS excuse for players that just can't get the ball
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Yeah thats my point. I think you missed it. Rowell doesn't need to be fast because he did exactly what he was needed to do. Our blokes sucked & also made us incredibly slow.

If you name a midfield based around competing in CP & Clearances & 1 x 22 year old gets more Clearances than your entire "Bull group" combined - then your strengths are not what you thought. You need to do something very different, very fast. Plan B. What is it? It should be about throwing Bolton & the 2 Rioli's in there. Try something different. We are clearly a bottom 6-7 team this year - the talk of "anything can happen" will fade very fast.

Be Bold, be different. I saw nothing overly new. Even Balta down forward is not new. Its a failed experiement we saw numerous times under Dimma & Mini.

What was the big "zig" in our gameplan from Yze? I must have missed it. Looked a lot like the worst parts of last year tbh
 

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tiger_tough said:
I notice Jedd Busslinger is out of contract and he's not likely to get much, if any game time at the dogs this year with all their talls.

He'd be a great target with one of those 2nd round picks.

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Jedd Busslinger Draft Profile

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WA teams will be all over him

1st rounder from WA that would most likely be let go for a late 2nd rounder if he wanted to leave
 
RJK Tiger said:
Until they can get more speed in that midfield, its going to be flogged.

we had 4 apparently inside/clearance mids in Prestia, Hopper, Taranto, Dow, who collectively lost to Rowell in that area, 20 to 14. That is about as bad as it gets.
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Its happened too much with Hopper and Taranto getting absolutely smashed in the middle. They have to be clearance players, ive thought adding speed around them would help, but if we are getting beaten so badly at clearances, what is the point of them? May as well only play quick players in there if losing the stoppages anyway. Even though Tarantos gut running is good, they arent there for their transition play.

Maybe they will look better with Dusty back, the 3 games he missed last season our mids were non competetive as well (Pies, Lions, Dogs). That gives hope for this week, but still a big worry going forward.
 
Will Hayward is a free agent. He'd be a good get at half forward.
 

23 Tigers yet to sign​


Richmond’s league-most 23 out-of-contract players include a mix of ageing premiership stars, senior regulars aged in their mid-20s – led by Liam Baker and Jack Graham – and young, mostly unproven talent.

Welcome to first-year coach Adem Yze’s Tigers, who could reasonably tumble further in 2024 after finishing 13th last year, as their transition continues from the golden run of three flags between 2017 and 2020 under Damien Hardwick.

Hardwick’s new side, talent-laden Gold Coast, led Richmond by 67 points in the first half last Saturday before cruising to a 39-point victory to mark the beginning of their fresh era.

Dustin Martin, Dion Prestia, Dylan Grimes and captain Toby Nankervis are the highest-profile Tigers without a contract beyond this year, while other interesting names are Samson Ryan, Thomson Dow, Marlion Pickett, Maurice Rioli, Jack Ross and Kamdyn McIntosh.

Richmond want triple Norm Smith medallist and club legend Martin, 32, to be a Tiger for the rest of his career.

They have been in ongoing discussions with Baker’s management since late last year, but no resolution is imminent, two sources familiar with negotiations said on the condition of anonymity.

The 26-year-old, who finished sixth in the club’s best-and-fairest award in 2023, has become one of Richmond’s most dependable and versatile players, and is set to spend more time as a midfielder under Yze.

Baker, from Western Australia, has been courted in the past by both Fremantle and West Coast. He fits the Dockers’ age profile best, and they have three first-round selections this year, but the Eagles – who appointed Richmond’s ex-national recruiting manager Matt Clarke as list boss in February – would love to add a high-quality local product to fast-track their rebuild.

Ryan, who is part of the club’s post-Jack Riewoldt plans in attack, is getting near to finalising a new multi-year contract, according to two sources knowledgeable with the situation who spoke anonymously because the deal was not done yet.

Richmond’s 23 out-of-contract players​

Liam Baker, Seth Campbell, Mate Colina, Matt Coulthard, Noah Cumberland, Thomson Dow, Jack Graham, Steely Green, Dylan Grimes, Mykelti Lefau, Rhyan Mansell, Dustin Martin, Kamdyn McIntosh, Ben Miller, Sam Naismith, Toby Nankervis, Marlion Pickett, Dion Prestia, Hugo Ralphsmith, Maurice Rioli, Jack Ross, Samson Ryan, James Trezise.

This column revealed in April last year that Nankervis, 29, had quietly reached a contract trigger to extend his stay until this season, but discussions are now under way for a longer-term arrangement for the captain this time.

Prestia, Grimes, Graham, Rioli and fellow out-of-contract Tiger Matt Coulthard are all Kapital Sports Group clients. Dual premiership player Graham, who captained South Australia at under-18 level, toured Port Adelaide’s Alberton facilities after the 2022 season before the Power prioritised trading for Jason Horne-Francis.

West Australian defender Kaleb Smith, the No.49 pick in the 2022 draft, privately extended until next year after a foot stress fracture ruined his debut season.

Pickett’s future is clouded after he was charged in connection to a spate of thefts across Western Australia from December 2022 to January 2023.

The 32-year-old Tiger has not entered a plea. His case is next due to come before the court on March 27, but Pickett has continued to play throughout this period.

Richmond already locked away some of their leading players, including Shai Bolton (2028), Daniel Rioli and Jayden Short (2027), and Nick Vlastuin (2026), while the likes of Noah Balta, Nathan Broad and Josh Gibcus are out of contract next year. Gibcus, a top-10 draft pick and one of the club’s brightest prospects, could be a candidate to extend early.

They gave up a bevy of high-end draft picks to bring in ex-Giants Tim Taranto and Jacob Hopper in the 2022 trade period on seven-year deals. However, they are in a good position for the 2024 draft, with their own first-round selection, plus two in the second round, and three in each of the third and fourth rounds, as a result of trades last year.

Then-head recruiter Clarke said at the time he expected the Tigers to bundle picks to try climbing the order.

“We had to strengthen our draft hand for next year [2024],” Clarke said.

“To get those picks into next year’s draft is going to put us in a great spot ... and hopefully that will give us the opportunity to get right up in the front half of the draft.”
 
Richmond are in the JUH chase according to Cal Twomey on gettable, along with Hawthorn and Essendon. It would likely take a 10 or 11 year deal if he was to move. Dogs confident JUH will re-sign though
 
Ctl said:
Richmond are in the JUH chase according to Cal Twomey on gettable, along with Hawthorn and Essendon. It would likely take a 10 or 11 year deal if he was to move. Dogs confident JUH will re-sign though
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While I'd love him and he is exactly the player we're crying out for I don't think we should be waxing 2 x 1st rounders and $10mill for him with the position we're in.

We should be aiming to draft the next JUH.
 
tiger_tough said:
While I'd love him and he is exactly the player we're crying out for I don't think we should be waxing 2 x 1st rounders and $10mill for him with the position we're in.

We should be aiming to draft the next JUH.
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Ugle-Hagen is only 21 though. No guarantees you get that level of player with one of those first round picks, let alone both.

JUG would fill a massive hole for the next 10+ years. I don't have a problem with it at all.
 
tiger_tough said:
While I'd love him and he is exactly the player we're crying out for I don't think we should be waxing 2 x 1st rounders and $10mill for him with the position we're in.

We should be aiming to draft the next JUH.
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I agree, although he is young enough, I think we need top picks on low $$ with the position we are in.
 

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fargothegreat said:
Ugle-Hagen is only 21 though. No guarantees you get that level of player with one of those first round picks, let alone both.

JUG would fill a massive hole for the next 10+ years. I don't have a problem with it at all.
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Yeah I get it, but we need KPPs AND mids desperately and the good ones go early.

Not sure why he'd come to us with the position we're in either TBH. If we do finish bottom 6 we'd just about be the least appealing club in Vic in regards to future prospects.
 
tiger_tough said:
Yeah I get it, but we need KPPs AND mids desperately and the good ones go early.

Not sure why he'd come to us with the position we're in either TBH. If we do finish bottom 6 we'd just about be the least appealing club in Vic in regards to future prospects.
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I think we'd be the most appealing club for JUH outside of staying at the bulldogs. Good culture at the club, big MCG games, Dreamtime game, good track record with indigenous players, and he'd be signing for 10-11 years not the next 2-3 years. Gibcus, Balta, JUH is a very good spine as a starting point

Collingwood won't have the draft capital to make a trade, and we can make a better pitch than essendon and hawthorn.

Think he stays though
 
Ctl said:
I think we'd be the most appealing club for JUH outside of staying at the bulldogs. Good culture at the club, big MCG games, Dreamtime game, good track record with indigenous players, and he'd be signing for 10-11 years not the next 2-3 years. Gibcus, Balta, JUH is a very good spine as a starting point

Collingwood won't have the draft capital to make a trade, and we can make a better pitch than essendon and hawthorn.

Think he stays though
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Dees will be all over him. They're cunning traders and will have freed up plenty of cash with no Grundy and likely most if not all of Brayshaws contract. Plus Ben Brown, potentially Petty going too. Hawks are getting ready to launch. Bombers have better young prospects than us. Dreamtime would be a factor. He was roomies with MRJ in boarding school too.
Coach_Required said:
Free agent right? So, we could offer him the biggest contract in AFL history, and it won't cost us a pick if the Bulldogs can't match it?

Would also mean we keep all our picks.
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Nope. Must be traded for. 2 x early-mid 1st round picks minimum.
 
tiger_tough said:
Dees will be all over him. They're cunning traders and will have freed up plenty of cash with no Grundy and likely most if not all of Brayshaws contract. Plus Ben Brown, potentially Petty going too. Hawks are getting ready to launch. Bombers have better young prospects than us. Dreamtime would be a factor. He was roomies with MRJ in boarding school too.

Nope. Must be traded for. 2 x early-mid 1st round picks minimum.
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Huge pass from me then
 
Coach_Required said:
Free agent right? So, we could offer him the biggest contract in AFL history, and it won't cost us a pick if the Bulldogs can't match it?

Would also mean we keep all our picks.
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No he’s not , would cost an absolute heist in pics , hope someone else is successful
 
Josh battle and Will Heywood there another that escapes me ,,, 3 FA targets would suits us nicely
 
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