List Mgmt. Trade & Free Agency talk Pt 7

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[Harrison Bergeron]

Mad Richmond fan

This one is possible

Might as well get him a package deal with Green then if that's all it takes.

 

[Tigerbob]

Can confirm Club is working on Cadman.

Gonna be a hard one to do but we are exploring this.

 

[French Tiger]

Can confirm Club is working on Cadman.

Gonna be a hard one to do but we are exploring this.

Isn’t he a tigers fan growing up , in todays game players that want to move most likely end up doing so

Having said that pending where we finish next year will define what we have to offer picks wise


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[Tigerbob]

Isn’t he a tigers fan growing up , in todays game players that want to move most likely end up doing so

Having said that pending where we finish next year will define what we have to offer picks wise


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Yeah will be interesting how they do it. But he’s a top priority try at least as he’s viewed as a target that could be shaken that will help solve our KF long term.

 

[blaisee]

Might as well get him a package deal with Green then if that's all it takes.

All I am saying is does not hurt .

And you and I both know that in the end green will come home eventually , just as night follows day .

 

[Rioli2Rioli]

The * do people expect us to part with for Cadman?


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Soldo Graham & Miller

 

[Gratees]

Surely pies don’t get the umpiring in grand final

Umpires won't know what to do if Carlton make it as well

 

[juss]

If Cadman is any good he will cost an arm and a leg.

Not sure its viable to do another massive trade so soon after the big Hopper and Taranto deals. We get it wrong and it sets us back a hell of a long time.

 

[Ctl]

If Cadman is any good he will cost an arm and a leg.

Not sure its viable to do another massive trade so soon after the big Hopper and Taranto deals. We get it wrong and it sets us back a hell of a long time.

Difference is Cadman is young, and fits into the Gibcus, Banks, Clarke, Brown etc contingent. But if he doesn’t work out then yes we’ll have put a lot of eggs into the one basket, still a long way off from happening though, a lot of water to still go under the bridge

 

[Tiges1229]

The * do people expect us to part with for Cadman?


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VB slab and a gift card for Thai massage

 

[Noidnadroj]

I was using 2-3 goals to simplify the response.

As second fiddle to Lynch he should be able to deliver at least 2 goals a game to be honest if we're bringing him across and not expecting that then we're wasting our time. That would put him among the likes of Mihocek Naughton Amiss Hipwood B.King Lukosius Finlayson Fritsch Marshall Lewis & Ugle-Hagan. His first season showed he could kick 1.5 goals a game and that was in a poor Hawthorn line up.

Players like Naughton, Lewis, B King, Lukocious would cost us a top-10 draft pick minimum. Kosi will cost us something I assume around pick-40.

If he plays 20+ games I’m hoping for around 30-goals which would put him 40th in the competition this season. If Lynch remains fit and kicks 50+ then that’s a great 1-2 punch.

I think it’s unrealistic to expect 2+ goals per game average, given for players with more than 5-games in 2023 only 17 averaged 2+ goals per game. Less than one per team average so why would we expect our second banana to be one of them in 2024?

Given he won’t cost us much then at 23yo he’s not a bad get given the lack of available options.


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[GoTigers2015]

Soldo + F2 to Port for F1
C Graham + pick 28 from the Suns for pick 62 (has 3 years left on his contract at the Suns)
Pick 44 to Hawthorn for Kosi

Out Soldo, 44, 62, F2
In Kosi, C Graham, 28, F1 (Port)

Go to the draft with 25,28, 80

 

[banzai]

Thought Cadman looked pretty ordinary in the games he played. Their last 2 tall forwards that went at pick 1 in the draft in Patton and Boyd were both out of the league pretty quickly. Id be cautious.

 

[RJK Tiger]

Biggest difference between the 3 is that Jack and Tom were both first round picks who were playing from their first seasons whereas Koschitzke sat in the reserves for his first 2 season, but has come on in his last 3 seasons to play an average of 16 games/18 goals a season. If he comes over I don't think we're getting someone who is going to be in contention for the Coleman like Jack and Tom have been in their careers, but if we can get him kicking 2-3 goals a game on average (40-60 a season) playing second fiddle to Lynch it will go a very long way to rectifying our issues inside F50.

Feel like Koschitzke is about the level of move we can make, unless Vets start requesting trades & he seems a pretty reasonable target for us approach, i'd expect a 3rd rounder, which is still a bit considering how little of picks we have at the top end.

He is 23, and shown some good glimpses of form & his agility around the forwardline could suit our style well. Yze was with the Hawks when they recruited him as well, so you hope thats whats driving the move.

My biggest concern is he feels like a moneyball version of what we need, which is kinda the only moves we can make, but we still need to make sure these guys are actually going to be able to reach a level that you can invision winning a flag with one day. I'm not sure if he has that, but if his price is low (fair) on both trade and contract sense, its worth the risk

 

[RJK Tiger]

Soldo + F2 to Port for F1
C Graham + pick 28 from the Suns for pick 62 (has 3 years left on his contract at the Suns)
Pick 44 to Hawthorn for Kosi

Out Soldo, 44, 62, F2
In Kosi, C Graham, 28, F1 (Port)

Go to the draft with 25,28, 80

you would then likely try to trade a future 3rd rounder for a 4th rounder & a future 3rd rounder to the right placed team.Getting some picks inbetween 30 -80 are piss easy to pick up in pick swap deals

I'm not sure how realistic any of those trades are outside the Kosi deal tho

 

[RJK Tiger]

This is correct the stats of Butler, Rioli and Castagna were not anything that for example would have attracted the attention of AA selectors. But in our dynasty years they had much better returns overall than Spargo. Being a good kick is one thing and I think Spargo is a decent kick, and this is important. But you still need to be able to get the ball in dangerous areas for it to mean much. Spargo's goal, goal assist and score involvement numbers are not strong enough for his kicking to have been too much of a great asset.

In that 2017-19 period Castagna for eg was averaging 1.6 goals + goals assists(Spargo 1.2) 5.2 score involvements(Spargo 4.2) 4.4 contested possessions(Spargo 3.5) 14.6 pressure acts(Spargo 11.2) 3 tackles(Spago 2.3). Spargo had clearly better kicking efficiency and clanger/turnover rates.

Daniel Rioli in that period was on another level again, with player ratings way above anything Spargo looks like matching. And people all over this board were screaming that Rioli and Castagna were no good as small forwards(clearly way wrong.) Pretty sure players we already have like Clarke and Sonsie will go past Spargo in short order.

Dan was always been too unreliable to be considered for AA selection, especially in the H&A season. That along with the style we was required to play was always going to keep him out of that frame of recognition. I think playing a more traditional style he certainly could have gotten to that point - but he never reached it. None of that squad did. The relied on each other too much to be selected as individuals

 

[TheOptimum18]

C Graham + pick 28 from the Suns for pick 62 (has 3 years left on his contract at the Suns)

WHat's the rationale for the Suns to lose pick 28 and get pick 62 when everyone and their dog should know that the Suns want as much points as they can to match bids for academy players?

 

[Noidnadroj]

For anyone seeking a star KPF ASAP …. Pies are into a GF with Mihocek, McStay and Cox. GWS almost beat them with Hogan and Riccardi. Lions have Hipwood and Daniher. Demons finished top-4 H&A with Brown, JVR, McDonald and Petty. Port with Dixon, Marshall and Lord.

Top-4 can be made and Finals and flags can be won without a gun KPF … they cannot be won without an excellent defence.

If one comes across our table then great …. but let’s not panic about selling the farm to desperately get one as it will hamper our ability to improve the areas of the ground that matter even more.


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[RJK Tiger]

For anyone seeking a star KPF ASAP …. Pies are into a GF with Mihocek, McStay and Cox. GWS almost beat them with Hogan and Riccardi. Lions have Hipwood and Daniher. Demons finished top-4 H&A with Brown, JVR, McDonald and Petty. Port with Dixon, Marshall and Lord.

Top-4 can be made and Finals and flags can be won without a gun KPF … they cannot be won without an excellent defence.

If one comes across our table then great …. but let’s not panic about selling the farm to desperately get one as it will hamper our ability to improve the areas of the ground that matter even more.


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Agree with that, but the KP forward needs are still very close to the top of our list. I can't imagine Kosi being worth too much, i think thats about where our aspirations are atm, surely. Either that or Chol

In the backline, what position exactly are you thinking needs the most attention? And what targets are available? I've always found great defences are built within and require time and development, they cannot be bought

 

[prodigy]

I'm normally all about trading in talent but if Cadman will cost us two first rounders then that's a big no from me.
I dont think our list is in a position to take that type of risk.

 

[GoTigers2015]

WHat's the rationale for the Suns to lose pick 28 and get pick 62 when everyone and their dog should know that the Suns want as much points as they can to match bids for academy players?

They will get the points to match academy bids, but will need to offload players to keep them. They have the following picks
4, 28, 32, 42, 47, 56,60, 65, 68

Pick 4 a good chance to become 10 + 17 + F1 from WBD
They could also bundled up their junk picks for pick 36 from WBD
That trade could be 10, 17, 36 + F1 from WBD for 4, 56, 60, 65, 68

That will give the Suns five picks 10,17, 28, 32, 36 -4,183 points
Can use, 10, 17, 28 or 32 to generate more points.

Only 3 players out of contract on their senior list. Constable, Day and Sharp. Sharp likely to get traded for F3 round pick.
They will need to off load additional players. Chol. Graham, Burgess and Hollands have been linked with trades.
Hollands likely to go to Carlton for F2, Chol and Burgess will be cheap and Graham could be a salary dump.

 

[Lord of the Wings]

VB slab and a gift card for Thai massage

Including extras?

 

[Muddiemoose]

Thought Cadman looked pretty ordinary in the games he played. Their last 2 tall forwards that went at pick 1 in the draft in Patton and Boyd were both out of the league pretty quickly. Id be cautious.

Tbf both of them were guns abillity wise but ultimately left the game/didn’t live up to potential for outside factors

Boyd had the mental demons and Pattons knee ****ed him

 

[tora tora tora]

Cadman, good ordinary debut this year.


See how Lynch, Kosi, Gibcus, Bauer go. I'm gun shy after the TT AND JH experience. Not salary cap, but draft picks.

We have Dusty money freed up. See how that goes too. I hope not on Cadman

 

[tigerfan1961]

For anyone seeking a star KPF ASAP …. Pies are into a GF with Mihocek, McStay and Cox. GWS almost beat them with Hogan and Riccardi. Lions have Hipwood and Daniher. Demons finished top-4 H&A with Brown, JVR, McDonald and Petty. Port with Dixon, Marshall and Lord.

Top-4 can be made and Finals and flags can be won without a gun KPF … they cannot be won without an excellent defence.

If one comes across our table then great …. but let’s not panic about selling the farm to desperately get one as it will hamper our ability to improve the areas of the ground that matter even more.


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Nailed it