Trade period / National Draft 2024

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[noobermensch]

Langford continued his strong start to the Champs with a hard working display in tricky conditions. The leading possession winner on the day, his size and physicality was a factor at stoppage and he was even more effective on the spread, finding plenty of space to take marks and advance the ball.

 

[tigs2010]

194cm, moves well, wins clearances and can kick. What's not to like

There's a lot to like. He looks like he's going through the motions though at Champs and does have a few weaknesses, so he's not a home run pick.

I think he still goes top 2 out of the live pool (excl FS & Academy kids) although the gap is probably closing.

 

[noobermensch]

Not quite as polished as previous Champs performances for Bo Allan, but he cracked in as hard as ever and the heavy ground probably suited his game. He doesn't always win the footy at stoppage but his physicality is influential, applying defensive pressure or clearing space for his teammates to operate. When he gets the opportunity to put the peddle down in space few can stay with him, making him an exciting prospect at his size.

 

[THE_GUN]

Sandringham Dragons midfielder Murphy Reid stars for Vic Metro as SA stars put up their hands​

Another powerful Victorian midfielder named Reid is again making waves in the Under 18 National Championships, but plenty of South Australians put their names up in lights. See the full scouting notes.

Sandringham Dragons talents stole the show in Vic Metro’s 52-point win over South Australia and first-round midfielder Murphy Reid was the standout.

Reid kicked two goals in the third quarter as Vic Metro ran over the top of the Croweaters, with his Dragons teammates Harry Armstrong (three goals) and Levi Ashcroft.
But plenty more prospects impressed in what was South Australia’s final audition at the national championships.
See all the scouting notes below.

SOUTH AUSTRALIA ​

Ben Camporeale (Glenelg/Carlton father-son)
29 disposals, seven marks, five tackles
Camporeale was typically productive in the midfield, finishing as South Australia’s top-ballwinner for the match. The Carlton father-son prospect was arguably the best player on the ground in the first half with his ability to spin out of traffic and defensive pressure impressing. He set up a goal for Dodson with a nice kick forward but his footskills are an area for improvement. Still, the Blues look to be getting a quality addition for their midfield group.

Alex Dodson (Sturt)

18 hit-outs, 14 disposals, four clearances, one goal

The rise of the draft’s biggest mid-season bolter continues. Dodson was everywhere in the first half kickstarting South Australia’s first goal of the game with a deft hitout and acting as his side’s fourth midfielder throughout the match. The former Australian junior basketball representative led all comers for disposals midway through the second quarter before moving forward, where he plucked a strong grab and kicked truly from 40m out. Faded out of the game a touch in the second half but looks to be the best ruckman in the pool at this stage.

Dyson Sharp (Central District)

14 disposals, seven tackles, five clearances, a goal

It has been suggested Gold Coast Academy talent Zeke Uwland may be the No. 1 pick next year. Sharp will likely have something to say about that. The 188 centimetre midfielder was strong at the contest and even stronger in the air, taking a number of key marks, one of which led to a goal in the second term. He was also impressive with his defensive pressure, laying six tackles in the first half alone. The 2023 U16 championships MVP was sidelined for most of the second half with a knee injury but he did enough to whet the appetite of recruiters.

Sid Draper (South Adelaide)

19 disposals, four clearances

Returning from a serious injury, Draper hasn’t been able to reach the heights of his stunning bottom-age national championships campaign. But he showed some of his high-end traits in the loss to Vic Metro. Draper’s desperate second effort in the third quarter ended in a goal to a teammate and he wowed onlookers with a spin away from two tacklers in the second term. Still remains the top draft hope from South Australia but it will be interesting to see if he slides in estimations in the eyes of recruiters.

Benny Barrett (South Adelaide/Port Adelaide NGA)

10 disposals, four clearances, one goal

With a name like that you’ve got have x-factor, and Barrett has that in spades. He was the standout in the first quarter where everything he touched turned to gold. The lively small forward set the Croweaters alight by gathering on a crumb and snapping through a goal in a flash inside the first 30 seconds. An intercept mark and deft pass set up Tyler Welsh for a scoring opportunity shortly after, and then he showed his speed once again by swooping on a dropped mark to kickstart another attacking foray. The Power Next Generation Academy prospect didn’t have a great deal of influence from that point on until he was moved into the midfield in the last quarter.

Phoenix Hargrave (South Adelaide)

21 disposals, five marks, four tackles, four clearances

Continued the strong form he showed against Western Australia with another promising outing where his inside toughness was a highlight. Hargrave missed a couple of opportunities in front of goal Finished the game with a big fend off to get clear of a Vic Metro tackler and a great rundown tackle on the wing which earned him a free kick for holding the ball.

Angus Clarke (Glenelg)

21 disposals, 19 kicks, 580 metres gained

Provided plenty of dash off halfback and used the ball well by foot. On one occasion in the first quarter he spotted up a target from the kick in, got the handball back and burst through a tackler with speed. His numbers were inflated as South Australia’s designated kick-in taker but he was able to zone off an intercept as well, as he done throughout the championships. May well be SA’s second biggest riser of the champs behind Dodson.

Kade Herbert (Woodville-West Torrens)

19 disposals, seven marks, five tackles

Herbert had his best game of the championships to date, presenting well up and down the ground and applying good defensive pressure. The Eagles product set up a goal for Ned Atkinson and mowed down Tom Gross with a great tackle in the final term. Herbert has held his own at SANFL level for Woodville-West Torrens this year but hadn’t eclipsed 13 disposals in his first three games of the carnival, so this performance should help his draft stocks.

Charlie Nicholls (Central District)

10 disposals, six marks

Nicholls spent most of his time forward in the first few championships games and managed to have an impact in defence against Vic Metro. The 197cm prospect took several intercept marks for the match, showing his versatility as a tall.

VIC METRO​

Murphy Reid (Sandringham Dragons)

31 disposals, eight clearances, six marks, three goals, 443 metres gained

Reid isn’t the kind of player who needs to have 30 disposals to have a huge say on a game, but went and did it anyway. Playing primarily on-ball, Reid’s decision-making and footskills were sublime and along with Tom Gross he powered Vic Metro third-quarter assault, kicking two of his three goals in that term. One of those was the highlight of his day, bending through a snap under pressure. Reid has be in the conversation as a top-10 pick now, if he wasn’t already, after impressive showings against the Allies and Western Australia.

Tom Gross (Oakleigh Chargers)

26 disposals, 17 kicks, nine marks, 456 metres gained

When the game was there to be won, Gross stepped up to the plate with an enormous third term. The combative midfielder racked up 11 disposals in the premiership quarter, winning the ball in tight and consistently presenting options on the outside around the ground. He continued to up the ante in the last quarter with plenty of the ball and a blistering run up the middle that set up Archie Ludowyke. A late goal would have been the icing on the cake but he just missed a snap on goal.

Isaac Kako (Calder Cannons/Essendon NGA)

17 disposals, five marks, 2.1

After Barrett kicked a stunner to start the game, Kako responded in kind with an almost identical crumbing goal in an electric first half for the Cannons small forward. He nearly had another major moments later but he was pushed as he kicked after cleverly roving a pack close to goal. Kako also set up three other scoring opportunities in the first half, with a dashing run, clean pick-up at speed and snap across his body under pressure leading to a goal for Tom Sims. Looked to have faded out of the contest until he kicked another miraculous goal, receiving a handball and throwing a checkside on his boot from a tight angle. There is no doubt the Essendon Next Generation Academy prospect is going to be a fan favourite, but your chances are slim Bombers fans – even if the NGA cut-off is moved to top 20.

Jagga Smith (Oakleigh Chargers)

23 disposals, five clearances, 241 metres gained

Was handball happy but he just always seemed to pick the right option, bringing his teammates into the game and setting them up in space on a platter. Smith’s relentless running around the ground was there for all to see, regularly linking up for one-twos – including a couple where he ran 50 metres for the next effort. The Chargers ball-magnet’s elusiveness in traffic was also impressive, with his elite agility allowing him to make space when there was none. Set up a late goal for Christian Moraes with a sizzling pass.

Harry Armstrong (Sandringham Dragons)

10 disposals, seven marks, 3.2

In the words of draft guru Kevin Sheehan on Fox Footy, Armstrong has “a touch of Jeremy Cameron” about him. Armstrong has had limited opportunities to prove himself this year but he certainly left a lasting impression on recruiters in his three-goal outing. The mobile key forward could have had more had he kicked straight, also giving off a goal to Bailey McKenzie in the second term. Armstrong presented well throughout the day and took some great marks, highlighting his strong hands overhead. The 195cm prospect sure to bolt up draft boards after this performance, also kicking four goals against Oakleigh Chargers in his most recent Coates League game.

Levi Ashcroft (Sandringham Dragons/Brisbane father-son)

33 disposals, 22 kicks, eight marks, 585 metres gained

There are three certainties in life – death, taxes and Ashcrofts winning the Sherrin for fun at under-18 level. The Brisbane father-son gun finished as the top disposal winner on the ground and kicked a was rewarded for his tireless efforts throughout the day with a classy goal off a step late in the piece. Worked back into defence to mark a snap on goal deep in the pocket and accumulated the ball all over the ground and used it with his typical polish.

Christian Moraes (Eastern Ranges)

22 disposals, 15 kicks, 12 marks, 433 metres gained

Has been forced to play somewhat out of position during these national championships due to the depth of Vic Metro’s supreme midfield group, but Moraes’ barnstorming finish highlighted his exciting forward-half impact. The Eastern Ranges product kicked two goals in the final term and had a stack of the footy. Some might call it junk time, but every minute counts in these representative matches and it showed his capacity to run out games.

Luke Trainor (Sandringham Dragons)

17 disposals, six marks

Had the assignment on Tyler Welsh and kept him quiet for most of the match. Trainor competed well in one-on-one contests and was able to impact offensively, hitting up targets out of defence with his elite right boot. Welsh was able to get on top of him late with a couple of big contested marks, but to keep him to eight touches and a goal was an impressive effort.

Josh Smillie (Eastern Ranges)

20 disposals, five tackles, four clearances, 379 metres gained

The potential number one pick was outshone by the other star Vic Metro midfielders today, but that was partly because he was used up forward at stages. Smillie showed off his brute strength with a crunching tackle on Ned Bowman where he practically picked him up off the ground. Combined with his Ranges partner in crime Moraes to set up a goal in the last quarter and hit him up lace out minutes later.

Levi Ashcroft (Sandringham Dragons/Brisbane father-son)

33 disposals, 22 kicks, eight marks, 585 metres gained

There are three certainties in life – death, taxes and Ashcrofts winning the Sherrin for fun at under-18 level. The Brisbane father-son gun finished as the top disposal winner on the ground and kicked a was rewarded for his tireless efforts throughout the day with a classy goal off a step late in the piece. Worked back into defence to mark a snap on goal deep in the pocket and accumulated the ball all over the ground and used it with his typical polish.



Stands out like dogs B***'s
But ofcouse wont get bid on until pick #5

Make these teams pay fair price
Bid on Ashcroft & Lombard

 

[noobermensch]

Any indication on when FOS is back mate?

Wish I knew. Best I can offer is a rumour from a fella who claims to know the family from Koroit that his hand is worse than reported and he might miss the entire champs. As always though, take anonymous internet rumours with a gallon of salt.

 

[noobermensch]

Not Sid's highest possession game, but he was as explosive and exciting as we've seen him since his return from injury. There were a few passages of play here that not many in this draft class would be capable of, showcasing his balance, acceleration, agility and change of direction. His application to the defensive side of the game was much improved as well this week, with pressure acts and interceptions a feature.

 

[Bird Man]

Levi Ashcroft (Sandringham Dragons/Brisbane father-son)

33 disposals, 22 kicks, eight marks, 585 metres gained

There are three certainties in life – death, taxes and Ashcrofts winning the Sherrin for fun at under-18 level. The Brisbane father-son gun finished as the top disposal winner on the ground and kicked a was rewarded for his tireless efforts throughout the day with a classy goal off a step late in the piece. Worked back into defence to mark a snap on goal deep in the pocket and accumulated the ball all over the ground and used it with his typical polish.



Stands out like dogs B***'s
But ofcouse wont get bid on until pick #5

Make these teams pay fair price
Bid on Ashcroft & Lombard

wish there was incentive to not go FS.

Surley he would entertain training with the group, touring the facilities and seeing the redevelopment plans. If we had pick one I feel it would be hard to pass on the biggest club in Melbourne (where he is currently playing) If he elected the draft now north would take him at 1 and then I wouldn't blame him for going to the lions.

BUT if we had the number one pick it be like the Pies or Geelong having the top pick. You make more money playing for these clubs with endorsements.

 

[shaky]

it just says there's been no discussion with richmond, at least the quoted text only says that


i also don't doubt there's been no real talk in regards to what picks would be used, that is most likely just guess work & talking to random "insiders" (if even) about what he'd be worth, and if i'm being honest, 2 "first rounders" is probably crazy talk for rioli (i know one of them was said to be pick 20). unless of course the other first pick was closer to 20, then i could see 2 being traded

Maybe GC asked us what it would take to get Rioli and we said 2 first.
So he wouldn't be lying that they hadn't offered, that would be what we asked for.
Could be media bullshit and made up, it could be miss direction with words, could be a combination of the two.

 

[shaky]

Technically the journos were reporting that GC is 'prepared to offer two first round picks'. It's all silly smoke and mirrors though

I thought it was smoke and shadows........

 

[Danog]

Levi Ashcroft (Sandringham Dragons/Brisbane father-son)

33 disposals, 22 kicks, eight marks, 585 metres gained

There are three certainties in life – death, taxes and Ashcrofts winning the Sherrin for fun at under-18 level. The Brisbane father-son gun finished as the top disposal winner on the ground and kicked a was rewarded for his tireless efforts throughout the day with a classy goal off a step late in the piece. Worked back into defence to mark a snap on goal deep in the pocket and accumulated the ball all over the ground and used it with his typical polish.



Stands out like dogs B***'s
But ofcouse wont get bid on until pick #5

Make these teams pay fair price
Bid on Ashcroft & Lombard

Or don't, as long as we get a good deal elsewhere

 

[Willo_23]

There's a lot to like. He looks like he's going through the motions though at Champs and does have a few weaknesses, so he's not a home run pick.

I think he still goes top 2 out of the live pool (excl FS & Academy kids) although the gap is probably closing.

He’s doing his own tank to get passed up by Norf and come to us

 

[tigs2010]

He’s doing his own tank to get passed up by Norf and come to us

We might be picking before them

 

[Willo_23]

We might be picking before them

Then watch his form pick up if they move ahead lol

 

[Tomnat Tigers]

194cm, moves well, wins clearances and can kick. What's not to like

His major red flag is how often he falls to his knees. The best midfielders don't lose their feet and bounce around the contest, Smilie first instinct is to fall to his knees.

 

[richoatthedisco]

His major red flag is how often he falls to his knees. The best midfielders don't lose their feet and bounce around the contest, Smilie first instinct is to fall to his knees.

What I've been saying for weeks.

 

[Tomnat Tigers]

What I've been saying for weeks.

Not sure he will be in my top 10 come draft day, despite other parts of his game being very promising.

In saying that outside of FOS at no.1 this draft is very open.

 

[Cam Payner]

Smillie's another Watts....

 

[richoatthedisco]

Not sure he will be in my top 10 come draft day, despite other parts of his game being very promising.

In saying that outside of FOS at no.1 this draft is very open.

He's not in mine right now.

 

[Tomnat Tigers]

He's not in mine right now.

Just seen your latest board on the Drafts and Trading board and its similar to what I have in mind although Im not including father and sons or academy selections in my calculations. Need to see one or two more games from the KPP's in the draft as well as the Western Australia based players before I firm up my top 10.

 

[SA_Tiger11]

It's relevant when trying to compare his role and game style at the next level.

Im also basing my opinion on more than one game last week when he fumbled a bit.

Smillie is very clean below his knees, he's got very clean hands in general.


I think I provided enough evidence in his testing, to show, with his athletic testing and his size (which is extremely relevant), he is powerful.

Would you consider Patrick Cripps or Tom Green powerful? Of course you would, lol. Well he's faster and more agile than both of them.

Size is important when looking at the athletic testing. Is 3.00 sec the same for a 180cm midfielder? No. Because they generally wont have an additional 15kg attached to their body when moving at this speed. It's the same with rucks and any position really.

It's the same as agility, he might change direction a fraction slower than a 184cm midfielder with 8.45 second agility return, but he's doing it with 93kg's currently, which is a harder force to slow down, to stop, than what is required for Finn O'Sullivan's 73kg.

It's relevant.

Smillies athletic testing stacks up with most midfielders, regardless of height and size. When you factor in his size, it's borderline elite, because he's going to have a lot more weight/mass attached to it than your average midfielder.

We aren't talking about speed in this scenario, we are talking about power.


Noah Balta has/had nowhere near the same ability up the ground. Im sorry. What a ridiculous comparison.


Not bad for a damp day in May in Box Hill for a guy with supposedly slippery hands and no redeeming features:

5:43 particularly terrible hands below his knees with no athletic qualities

Some genuine milky highlights here.

 

[thegcat]

Some genuine milky highlights here.

FOS is classes above

 

[tigerfan1961]

I’m hanging out to see O’Sullivan, I’ve seen some YouTube, but didn’t tune into the u18 carnival last year.
But happy to go with the majority, if he’s the best midfielder in the group.

I think Lalor is a really good prospect and he’s the type of player, with a good all round game that’d suit our midfield perfectly. He was quite on the weekend, but considering he’s coming back from a long layoff and had a big game 6 days earlier, he has his excuses .

Tom Gross, from my limited viewing, is the one that’s impressed me. He ticks so many boxes, with run/ carry, leg speed and contested ball winning ability. He’s skill set is something we could desperately do with . If we can acquire another R1 pick, I reckon he comes into calculations.

Kako has been really exciting in the last 2 games. The Bumbers won’t get him. I suppose from our perspective, its whether we want to prioritise midfield depth or use a late teens pick ? ( if we have one) on a small forward. The good ones are match winners.

Been told the Bummers will use their first pick to grab Kako. Clearly rate him highly

 

[Stigmata]

I’d be content with a pick between 15-25 for Short.

Rioli however would require a top 10 pick.

All three of their picks in the top 20 we chuck in our over 40 plus picks to give them points for their academy

 

[Frank Grimes]

Levi Ashcroft (Sandringham Dragons/Brisbane father-son)

33 disposals, 22 kicks, eight marks, 585 metres gained

There are three certainties in life – death, taxes and Ashcrofts winning the Sherrin for fun at under-18 level. The Brisbane father-son gun finished as the top disposal winner on the ground and kicked a was rewarded for his tireless efforts throughout the day with a classy goal off a step late in the piece. Worked back into defence to mark a snap on goal deep in the pocket and accumulated the ball all over the ground and used it with his typical polish.



Stands out like dogs B***'s
But ofcouse wont get bid on until pick #5

Make these teams pay fair price
Bid on Ashcroft & Lombard

I wouldn't have a problem if we bid on him. Though if we do an exchange of draft pick with Brisbane for a higher pick I would say a guarantee that we won't pick Ashcroft would be a part of that deal.

 

[DickieKnee]

Langford continued his strong start to the Champs with a hard working display in tricky conditions. The leading possession winner on the day, his size and physicality was a factor at stoppage and he was even more effective on the spread, finding plenty of space to take marks and advance the ball.

Any relation to Chris Langford?