MRP / Trib. Tribunal Thread - rules and offences discombobulation

[Duck Farmer]

The AFL fücked up.

Match 1: Away to Freo
Match 2: Lose QF
Match 3: Win SF
Match 4: Win PF
Match 5: Draw GF

Houston wins Norm Smith and Premiership Medal in the GF replay.

 

[SC_Power]

Let’s not kid ourselves, a lengthy suspension ways always on the cards. Although I was hoping we could argue down to 4 at least.

I don’t think an appeal with achieve anything. But we should still try so at the very least Houston knows we have his back. Who knows, it may prompt him to stay.

The shirtfront to a player unable to protect themselves, I can cop. 1-2 weeks.

But he didn’t jump, lowered his body, kept the shoulder in, and didn’t make head contact. And still was crucified.

But I don’t get why a football act that ends in a concussion hitting the ground is a reportable offence. It’s THAT tax I object to.

 

[gbear]

The AFL fücked up.

Players now have even more motivation to stick it to the AFL

 

[SC_Power]

Look at where the AC joint is and explain to me how Houston managed to hurt that and make contact with the neck?

Seems like the tribunal threw that in to make it classified as high

Every broken collarbone is now reportable, right?

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

You can read the Tribunal's decision on Cameron case earlier in this thread at this post #3,016

You can read the Tribunal's decision on Bedford case earlier in this thread at this post #3,017


You can read the Appeals Board decision to overturn Cameron's ban earlier in this thread at this post #3,081

You can read the Appeals Board decision to overturn Bedford's ban earlier in this thread at this post #3,088

 

[Capital Power]

...

We do not consider the consequence of missing finals and potentially a grand final impacts the sanction that should be imposed, particularly for such a serious breach and such a significant injury.

.. unless your name is Maynard and/or you play for a "Big 4" team.

 

[Flash of power]

The AFL fücked up.

Match 1: Away to Freo
Match 2: Lose QF
Match 3: Win SF
Match 4: Win PF
Match 5: Draw GF

Houston wins Norm Smith and Premiership Medal in the GF replay.

Nice thought but only problem with that is there is no GF replay anymore, all done in extra time

 

[70sDinosaur]

So how many games did Charlie Cameron

23

Charlie Cameron

Age

30

Ht

180cm

Wt

76kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.1

3star

K

8.4

3star

HB

3.7

3star

M

3.0

3star

T

3.2

5star

G

1.5

5star

D

9.6

2star

K

7.9

3star

HB

1.7

1star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.7

3star

G

1.9

5star

D

9.6

3star

K

5.4

2star

HB

4.2

4star

M

1.4

2star

T

3.4

5star

G

1.2

4star

get for the same thing against Dan Houston

5

Dan Houston

Age

27

Ht

186cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

18.2

5star

K

11.8

4star

HB

6.4

4star

M

4.9

5star

T

3.0

5star

MG

289.2

4star

D

17.6

4star

K

11.6

4star

HB

6.0

3star

M

3.3

3star

T

3.4

4star

MG

319.9

5star

D

16.6

4star

K

12.4

5star

HB

4.2

4star

M

7.0

5star

T

2.6

4star

MG

279.8

5star

in a showdown in 2017?

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

The Age's article in July about the Appeals Board overturning the Tribunal's suspensions of Cameron and Bedford had these other cases summary of their Appeals Board hearing.

So it was 2-0 + 3-4 = 5-4. That is pretty good odds.

Problem we might have is we will probably be arguing a down grade not a full overturning based on what was presented by our legal counsel tonight.

MrMeaner do you know the Carlton lawyers or the one that has got Toby Bedford

14

Toby Bedford

Age

24

Ht

179cm

Wt

75kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

8.0

2star

K

2.0

1star

HB

6.0

4star

M

1.0

1star

T

2.0

4star

G

0.0

1star

D

8.0

2star

K

2.0

1star

HB

6.0

3star

M

1.0

1star

T

2.0

3star

G

0.0

1star

D

8.0

2star

K

2.0

1star

HB

6.0

4star

M

1.0

1star

T

2.0

4star

G

0.0

1star

off twice at the Appeals Board

AFL insists tackles were dangerous after appeals board overturns player bans

While the AFL said it understood the appeal board’s call, it backed the original bans, and shared video of dangerous tackles to the 18 clubs just hours before round 19 began. Watch it here.

www.theage.com.au

AFL APPEAL BOARD - Other recent decisions​

ISAAC HEENEY​

• Club: Sydney Swans
• Charge: Striking
• When: Round 17, 2024
• Original ban: 1 match
• Appeal outcome: Suspension upheld

TOBY BEDFORD​

• Club: GWS Giants (in 2023)
• Charge: Rough conduct
• When: Round 24, 2023
• Original ban: One match
• Appeal outcome: Suspension overturned

RHYAN MANSELL​

• Club: Richmond
• Charge: Rough conduct
• When: Round 13, 2023
• Original ban: Three matches
• Appeal outcome: Suspension upheld

JAMES SICILY​

• Club: Hawthorn
• Charge: Rough conduct
• When: Round 13, 2023
• Original ban: Three matches
• Appeal outcome: Suspension upheld

Jacob van Rooyen​

• Club: Melbourne
• Charge: Striking
• When: Round 8, 2023
• Original ban: Two matches
• Appeal outcome: Suspension overturned

Shane McAdam​

• Club: Adelaide (in 2023)
• Charge: Rough conduct
• When: Round 1, 2023
• Original ban: Three matches
• Appeal outcome: Suspension upheld

PATRICK CRIPPS​

• Club: Carlton
• Charge: Careless conduct
• When: Round 21, 2022
• Original ban: Two matches
• Appeal outcome: Suspension overturned

 

[Enviable Tradition]

So how many games did Charlie Cameron

23

Charlie Cameron

Age

30

Ht

180cm

Wt

76kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.1

3star

K

8.4

3star

HB

3.7

3star

M

3.0

3star

T

3.2

5star

G

1.5

5star

D

9.6

2star

K

7.9

3star

HB

1.7

1star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.7

3star

G

1.9

5star

D

9.6

3star

K

5.4

2star

HB

4.2

4star

M

1.4

2star

T

3.4

5star

G

1.2

4star

get for the same thing against Dan Houston

5

Dan Houston

Age

27

Ht

186cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

18.2

5star

K

11.8

4star

HB

6.4

4star

M

4.9

5star

T

3.0

5star

MG

289.2

4star

D

17.6

4star

K

11.6

4star

HB

6.0

3star

M

3.3

3star

T

3.4

4star

MG

319.9

5star

D

16.6

4star

K

12.4

5star

HB

4.2

4star

M

7.0

5star

T

2.6

4star

MG

279.8

5star

in a showdown in 2017?

Nah Cameron's was worse. Left the ground and off the ball.

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[Enviable Tradition]

The Age's article in July about the Appeals Board overturning the Tribunal's suspensions of Cameron and Bedford had these other cases summary of their Appeals Board hearing.

So it was 2-0 + 3-4 = 5-4. That is pretty good odds.

Problem we might have is we will probably be arguing a down grade not a full overturning based on what was presented by our legal counsel.

MrMeaner do you know the Carlton lawyers or the one that has got Toby Bedford

14

Toby Bedford

Age

24

Ht

179cm

Wt

75kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

8.0

2star

K

2.0

1star

HB

6.0

4star

M

1.0

1star

T

2.0

4star

G

0.0

1star

D

8.0

2star

K

2.0

1star

HB

6.0

3star

M

1.0

1star

T

2.0

3star

G

0.0

1star

D

8.0

2star

K

2.0

1star

HB

6.0

4star

M

1.0

1star

T

2.0

4star

G

0.0

1star

off twice at the Appeals Board

AFL insists tackles were dangerous after appeals board overturns player bans

While the AFL said it understood the appeal board’s call, it backed the original bans, and shared video of dangerous tackles to the 18 clubs just hours before round 19 began. Watch it here.

www.theage.com.au

AFL APPEAL BOARD - Other recent decisions​

ISAAC HEENEY​

• Club: Sydney Swans
• Charge: Striking
• When: Round 17, 2024
• Original ban: 1 match
• Appeal outcome: Suspension upheld

TOBY BEDFORD​

• Club: GWS Giants (in 2023)
• Charge: Rough conduct
• When: Round 24, 2023
• Original ban: One match
• Appeal outcome: Suspension overturned

RHYAN MANSELL​

• Club: Richmond
• Charge: Rough conduct
• When: Round 13, 2023
• Original ban: Three matches
• Appeal outcome: Suspension upheld

JAMES SICILY​

• Club: Hawthorn
• Charge: Rough conduct
• When: Round 13, 2023
• Original ban: Three matches
• Appeal outcome: Suspension upheld

Jacob van Rooyen​

• Club: Melbourne
• Charge: Striking
• When: Round 8, 2023
• Original ban: Two matches
• Appeal outcome: Suspension overturned

Shane McAdam​

• Club: Adelaide (in 2023)
• Charge: Rough conduct
• When: Round 1, 2023
• Original ban: Three matches
• Appeal outcome: Suspension upheld

PATRICK CRIPPS​

• Club: Carlton
• Charge: Careless conduct
• When: Round 21, 2022
• Original ban: Two matches
• Appeal outcome: Suspension overturned

I thought he argued better this time but the results speak for themselves.

We have the Hinkley of lawyers.

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[RussellEbertHandball]

Why doesn't the "Good bloke" clause work here does it only apply to vic clubs?

Only if you have Adrian Anderson as counsel. He got Cameron off who then proceeded to get 3 weeks a few weeks later and then his counsel - forget his first name, but famous Melbourne QC then Judge the late John Winneke's son - got Cameron off on a legal technicality at the Appeals Board in mid July - Rd 19 game charge.

 

[70sDinosaur]

Nah Cameron's was worse. Left the ground and off the ball.

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I agree. And from memory he got 0 games.

 

[Us against the rest]

5 match ban for Dan.

 

[Duckimus Prime]

I thought he did a reasonable job for Rioli last year.

You mean when Rioli was suspended for a player running into his outstretched arm from behind him?

 

[Portmagpies36]

****ing woke AFL run by some clueless token leader

 

[ibd77]

The AFL fücked up.

Match 1: Away to Freo
Match 2: Lose QF
Match 3: Win SF
Match 4: Win PF
Match 5: Draw GF

Houston wins Norm Smith and Premiership Medal in the GF replay.

1 problem. Drawn GFs aren't replayed anymore. I believe that was dumped after the last GF draw (2010?) in favour for overtime.

 

[Burningleviathan]

I feel like as a collective we make better arguments than what our lawyer can.

We need to argue the contact was to the AC joint which is too far away from the neck for any reasonable person to suggest contact can be made to both.

We need to argue that it is not unreasonable for him to expect a bump when bumps are legal in the game

 

[Duck Farmer]

Nice thought but only problem with that is there is no GF replay anymore, all done in extra time

Booooooo.

 

[ibd77]

The Age's article in July about the Appeals Board overturning the Tribunal's suspensions of Cameron and Bedford had these other cases summary of their Appeals Board hearing.

So it was 2-0 + 3-4 = 5-4. That is pretty good odds.

Problem we might have is we will probably be arguing a down grade not a full overturning based on what was presented by our legal counsel.

MrMeaner do you know the Carlton lawyers or the one that has got Toby Bedford off twice at the Appeals Board

AFL insists tackles were dangerous after appeals board overturns player bans

While the AFL said it understood the appeal board’s call, it backed the original bans, and shared video of dangerous tackles to the 18 clubs just hours before round 19 began. Watch it here.

www.theage.com.au

AFL APPEAL BOARD - Other recent decisions​

ISAAC HEENEY​

• Club: Sydney Swans
• Charge: Striking
• When: Round 17, 2024
• Original ban: 1 match
• Appeal outcome: Suspension upheld

TOBY BEDFORD​

• Club: GWS Giants (in 2023)
• Charge: Rough conduct
• When: Round 24, 2023
• Original ban: One match
• Appeal outcome: Suspension overturned

RHYAN MANSELL​

• Club: Richmond
• Charge: Rough conduct
• When: Round 13, 2023
• Original ban: Three matches
• Appeal outcome: Suspension upheld

JAMES SICILY​

• Club: Hawthorn
• Charge: Rough conduct
• When: Round 13, 2023
• Original ban: Three matches
• Appeal outcome: Suspension upheld

Jacob van Rooyen​

• Club: Melbourne
• Charge: Striking
• When: Round 8, 2023
• Original ban: Two matches
• Appeal outcome: Suspension overturned

Shane McAdam​

• Club: Adelaide (in 2023)
• Charge: Rough conduct
• When: Round 1, 2023
• Original ban: Three matches
• Appeal outcome: Suspension upheld

PATRICK CRIPPS​

• Club: Carlton
• Charge: Careless conduct
• When: Round 21, 2022
• Original ban: Two matches
• Appeal outcome: Suspension overturned

Is there a study of tribunal hearings and results based on representation in person vs video conferencing?

 

[Duckimus Prime]

Peter Wright's actions were worse than Dan Houston

5

Dan Houston

Age

27

Ht

186cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

18.2

5star

K

11.8

4star

HB

6.4

4star

M

4.9

5star

T

3.0

5star

MG

289.2

4star

D

17.6

4star

K

11.6

4star

HB

6.0

3star

M

3.3

3star

T

3.4

4star

MG

319.9

5star

D

16.6

4star

K

12.4

5star

HB

4.2

4star

M

7.0

5star

T

2.6

4star

MG

279.8

5star

's yet he only got 4 weeks.

Play up the fact that they also rushed to get the mobile ambulance out for Rankine, he could've walked from the ground with help. The same as Starcevich did after Rankine's intentional hit.

This is an even bigger stitch up than Robbie Gray

9

Robbie Gray

Age

36

Ht

183cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

19.9

5star

K

9.8

4star

HB

10.1

5star

M

3.5

4star

T

3.2

5star

G

1.4

5star

D

13.3

3star

K

6.0

2star

HB

7.3

4star

M

2.4

3star

T

2.6

4star

G

0.6

4star

D

10.4

3star

K

6.6

3star

HB

3.8

3star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.4

4star

G

1.4

5star

copping a bigger suspension because West Coast decided to take Jeremy McGovern

20

Jeremy Mcgovern

Age

32

Ht

197cm

Wt

97kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.7

4star

K

10.1

4star

HB

4.6

3star

M

6.8

5star

T

1.5

3star

MG

238.7

4star

D

12.4

3star

K

8.6

3star

HB

3.8

3star

M

6.4

5star

T

2.0

3star

MG

183.4

3star

D

11.0

3star

K

8.8

4star

HB

2.2

2star

M

7.2

5star

T

1.4

4star

off because of a knock in a trial game. And they took him off because it was a trial game.

 

[PAFC66]

The AFL fücked up.

Match 1: Away to Freo
Match 2: Lose QF
Match 3: Win SF
Match 4: Win PF
Match 5: Draw GF

Houston wins Norm Smith and Premiership Medal in the GF replay.

Lol he'll be comfortable in his new house in Melbourne by then. Let's move on and focus on getting 2 first rounders for this bloke.

 

[70sDinosaur]

I guess all we can hope for now is that Dan Houston

5

Dan Houston

Age

27

Ht

186cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

18.2

5star

K

11.8

4star

HB

6.4

4star

M

4.9

5star

T

3.0

5star

MG

289.2

4star

D

17.6

4star

K

11.6

4star

HB

6.0

3star

M

3.3

3star

T

3.4

4star

MG

319.9

5star

D

16.6

4star

K

12.4

5star

HB

4.2

4star

M

7.0

5star

T

2.6

4star

MG

279.8

5star

in 2024 is the equivalent of Russell Johnston in 1988, with the same outcome at the end of the season.

 

[Portmagpies36]

I guess all we can hope for now is that Dan Houston in 2024 is the equivalent of Russell Johnston in 1988, with the same outcome at the end of the season.

That Russell Johnston 6 week suspension was a bloody fix as well

 

[backtozero]

I feel like as a collective we make better arguments than what our lawyer can.

We need to argue the contact was to the AC joint which is too far away from the neck for any reasonable person to suggest contact can be made to both.

We need to argue that it is not unreasonable for him to expect a bump when bumps are legal in the game

They went into this thing accepting of the fact that it was ruled high contact because Rankine hit his head on the ground.

We were doomed from that point on.