List Mgmt. List Management 2023-24

[strath39]

Howard got offered a huge deal that we wouldnt match. He told the club if we wouldnt match he’d request a trade. We wouldnt. He did.

I think hes shown at St Kilda he wasnt worth what they are paying him.

Not to mention, i’d say getting Bergman and Williams for him and Ryder has worked out pretty good

I thought it was Also We saw him as a Foward and he wanted to play KPD.

 

[Macca19]

Carn Macca, you're better than this. Left out a bloke called Kossie Pickett who we missed out on because of that deal. This is the sort of revisionist history I'd expect from Janus, not you.

Fair. I forgot that part

 

[Malibu#27]

Fair. I forgot that part

I also recall the angst on this board at the time of that draft with many hoping we stayed well away from Pickett at pick 14.

 

[TazD]

Reckon Dougal would look alright playing second banana to Aliir. Better than Sav anyway.

 

[Macca19]

I also recall the angst on this board at the time of that draft with many hoping we stayed well away from Pickett at pick 14.

Pickett didnt have a great draft year, didnt get a lotmof the ball or kick many goals, but he showed glimpses. He did go from widely considered a 20s pick to jumping up with Melbournes interest. They got proven correct. Inspired drafting

 

[elbarton]

I also recall the angst on this board at the time of that draft with many hoping we stayed well away from Pickett at pick 14.

Declining to nominate him as a father/son pickup the most under discussed error of the Ken regime

 

[Ford Fairlane]

Carn Macca, you're better than this. Left out a bloke called Kossie Pickett who we missed out on because of that deal. This is the sort of revisionist history I'd expect from Janus, not you.

If you are going to point the finger of revisionism, remember at the time of the 2019 draft you said:

33 is about the highest I've seen him (Pickett) rated outside of this board TBH. And if his name was Kysaiah Smith rather than Kysaiah Pickett it's where he'd be rated on this board too.

List Mgmt. - 2019 Draft Mega Thread - Pickett is not eligible as F/S or NGA

According to you then, Pickett would have been a blown pick at #12.

 

[Malibu#27]

Declining to nominate him as a father/son pickup the most under discussed error of the Ken regime

I see what you did there

 

[Malibu#27]

Pickett didnt have a great draft year, didnt get a lotmof the ball or kick many goals, but he showed glimpses. He did go from widely considered a 20s pick to jumping up with Melbournes interest. They got proven correct. Inspired drafting

I'm not disagreeing with you there, in fact I'm defending you for being called a revisionist, given that the accusation of you is based on the revisionist view that he was a top end pick- as per Ford Fairlane's post above where he is a little more direct than me

Yep. We've effectively got pick 14 now.

Fingers crossed somebody reaches for a player like Weightman, Worrell or Pickett, or else we're going to be coming into this draft at the worst possible time.

 

[Schulzenfest]

If you are going to point the finger of revisionism, remember at the time of the 2019 draft you said:



List Mgmt. - 2019 Draft Mega Thread - Pickett is not eligible as F/S or NGA

According to you then, Pickett would have been a blown pick at #12.

Yep, was wrong about that. There's a difference between being wrong about an opinion than being wrong about a fact though.

Pickett's quality is irrelevant to the discussion of revisionism anyway. You can't include Bergman as an in without including what we gave up to get Bergman as an out. If it wasn't him it could have been Will Day who's better than everyone else in that deal put together.

 

[JakeNeadeFan]

Yep, was wrong about that. There's a difference between being wrong about an opinion than being wrong about a fact though.

Pickett's quality is irrelevant to the discussion of revisionism anyway. You can't include Bergman as an in without including what we gave up to get Bergman as an out. If it wasn't him it could have been Will Day who's better than everyone else in that deal put together.

It isn't a fact we would've taken Pickett if we retained that pick anyway. We might have always been taking Bergman regardless. We just don't know so it is a pointless what if.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

Yep, was wrong about that. There's a difference between being wrong about an opinion than being wrong about a fact though.

Pickett's quality is irrelevant to the discussion of revisionism anyway. You can't include Bergman as an in without including what we gave up to get Bergman as an out. If it wasn't him it could have been Will Day who's better than everyone else in that deal put together.

It's still hindsight. You can hardly criticise Macca for excluding a player you thought was barely worth a second round pick at the time.

And I am quite happy with Bergman compared to any one else around that pick differential.

 

[Macca19]

That trade was looking like a bust but with Bergman and Williams form this year it's looking better.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

IF Brodie Grundy

4

Brodie Grundy

Age

30

Ht

202cm

Wt

105kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.5

4star

K

8.0

3star

HB

9.6

5star

CL

4.1

5star

HO

32.0

5star

D

16.4

4star

K

6.8

3star

HB

9.6

5star

CL

4.0

5star

HO

34.6

5star

D

13.8

4star

K

5.2

2star

HB

8.6

5star

CL

2.6

5star

HO

20.6

5star

doesn't move to this club in 2024 ... THEN

 

[PowerBaz]

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IF Brodie Grundy doesn't move to this club in 2024 ... THEN

he will be somewhere else?

 

[PowerBaz]

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IF Brodie Grundy doesn't move to this club in 2024 ... THEN

How would he get here though?

 

[Ford Fairlane]

How would he get here though?

He'll be traded. Caro thinks a potential deal is well down the track and he won't be at Melbourne next year. She expects a second round pick will be involved wherever he winds up.

 

[Schulzenfest]

It's still hindsight. You can hardly criticise Macca for excluding a player you thought was barely worth a second round pick at the time.

And I am quite happy with Bergman compared to any one else around that pick differential.

Yes, I absolutely can. The quality of the player is irrelevant. We traded pick 12 for pick 14 as part of that deal. You can't include the player we got at pick 14 as an in without including pick 12 as an out, whether that be Pickett, Day or somebody else. That's blatantly misleading. And if we were always going to pick Bergman anyway, then he shouldn't be included as part of the analysis of the trade at all.

Macca himself admitted he got this wrong, so I have no idea why you're defending it.

 

[Enviable Tradition]

So after all that we can just say Williams for Howard and an ageing Ryder.

Probably about even.

As good as Williams looks not having a genuine KPD has cost us.

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[Jonts]

Wasnt the commentary at the time that who we want at 12 would be there at 14
And that was Bergman

And i thought Williams was downgraded live after TDK was picked?

 

[Enviable Tradition]

Wasnt the commentary at the time that who we want at 12 would be there at 14
And that was Bergman

And i thought Williams was downgraded live after TDK was picked?

That's right.

So then it ended up being

Howard and Ryder

For

Williams and 2020 2nd rounder.

I think we used that 2nd rounder for Raz or Lachy Jones, not sure.

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[Ford Fairlane]

Yes, I absolutely can. The quality of the player is irrelevant. We traded pick 12 for pick 14 as part of that deal. You can't include the player we got at pick 14 as an in without including pick 12 as an out, whether that be Pickett, Day or somebody else. That's blatantly misleading. And if we were always going to pick Bergman anyway, then he shouldn't be included as part of the analysis of the trade at all.

Macca himself admitted he got this wrong, so I have no idea why you're defending it.

All I did was agree with Macca that we did alright out of the deal, which we did.

You keep dragging names into the discussion that may or may not be relevant.

I think Howard is hugely overrated and Ryder was cooked. We picked up 2 x 150-200 game high impact young players. We did alright out of that deal.

 

[240volt]

If you are going to point the finger of revisionism, remember at the time of the 2019 draft you said:



List Mgmt. - 2019 Draft Mega Thread - Pickett is not eligible as F/S or NGA

According to you then, Pickett would have been a blown pick at #12.

Nice

 

[MrChow]

Thinking about where our list is at in 2-3 years from now. Obviously you can’t cull everybody at once, but there is a good 16 or so players (the whatever’s/our depth) that it’d be worth replacing.

Possibles to become better than average players that aren’t currently playing.

Mitch G, Sinn, Narkle, Burgoyne, Lord, Visentini

Unknowns

Barkla, Jackson, K Marshall, McCallum, Scully

The whatever’s

Jonas, Orazio, McKenzie, Clurey, Pasini, Bonner, Teakle, Evans, McEntee, Dumont, Mead, Boak, Hayes, Lycett, Dixon, McKenzie

 

[Alberton Proud]

How would he get here though?

Likely a plane