List Mgmt. 2024 List Mismanagement and Trading Part 2

[George Kramer]

Umm

N/A, N/a Ryan, Murray T, Edwards, Curtin

Welsh and Dowling

 

[WeeBlake]

Welsh and Dowling

Ok now i see why ppl ragging on welsh

 

[George Kramer]

Ok now i see why ppl ragging on welsh

For wearing black?

 

[Concussion test]

Sounds like Gold Coast trade team are doing the "Lords work"
Rory Atkins

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Rory Atkins

Age

30

Ht

185cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

19.9

5star

K

12.1

4star

HB

7.9

5star

M

4.6

4star

T

1.9

4star

MG

367.4

5star

D

9.0

2star

K

5.0

2star

HB

4.0

3star

M

0.3

1star

T

2.7

4star

MG

147.7

3star

D

14.2

4star

K

8.8

4star

HB

5.4

4star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.2

3star

MG

217.8

4star

reportedly being salary dumped to the Power as part of the Luko trade

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Unlikely to be Strachan or Murphy, so 2 of Burgess/Smith/Schoenberg would be my guess.

Burgess or Smith would be the best option & hopefully someone takes them.

 

[Vader]

Burgess or Smith would be the best option & hopefully someone takes them.

Honestly, I'm not fussed which of those 3 are moved on. Unfortunately none of them are unlikely to attract any attention as DFAs.

 

[Jack McKraken]

Thanks Vader.

Given that this movement of picks (i.e. #82 moving up) will be happening in real time on draft night do you know at what exact point in time our picks' ultimate value (if any) is determined?

For instance if a bid for Welsh comes at (say) pick 50 by which time our original picks (64 & 82) have now come in a bit (to say 55 and 65) is that the point at which we have to calculate the necessary points match? The point being that our second pick (at that point 65) may hypothetically come in even further and could end up being (say) pick 60 by the completion of the draft which is worth slightly more points.

Do you know how it actually works?

Happens in real time at the time the bid is matched. The various picks are extinguished (and created) at that point in time and fixed.

Using your example, the pick 65 is used up and simply doesn’t exist anymore, compared with the hypothetical of the bid not being matched, where the 65 can continue to come in.

While no real value in doing so at these picks, I’m fairly certain the matching team can trade their picks out after the bid is made but before the bid is matched.

 

[Mostyn]

Right now, we have 36 players on our senior list, 3 on the Cat A rookie list, and 1 on the Cat B rookie list.

Peatling will make it 37 on the senior list, as soon as the trade paperwork is lodged.

Maximum list structures allowable are:

• 38 (senior) +4 (Cat A rookie) + 2 (Cat B rookie)
• 37+5+2
• 36+6+2

Regardless of how they're distributed, it's a maximum of 42 players across the senior + Cat A rookie lists. Cat B rookies are extra, in addition to the 42.

We should pin one of Vader's posts on this, as it gets asked every couple of days and he's done a great job answering it.

 

[JPetro83]

There is no way we can get Dodson is there with our draft hand?

Now that port have 13, 29 and 36 i can see him going there

 

[Cromulant]

There is no way we can get Dodson is there with our draft hand?

Now that port have 13, 29 and 36 i can see him going there



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I can't.

 

[Eddie Murphy]

There is no way we can get Dodson is there with our draft hand?

Now that port have 13, 29 and 36 i can see him going there



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Between Visentini and Soldo he’d never get to develop at SANFL level. They’re well stocked in that department.

 

[Danger in Texas]

Yeah Dodson ain’t going to Port. Visentini is their ruck long-term

13, 29 and 36 is a solid draft hand, but those picks will blow out

I reckon they could be a contender for Berry or Hannaford

 

[WaynesWorld19]

There is no way we can get Dodson is there with our draft hand?

Now that port have 13, 29 and 36 i can see him going there



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It is possible on Draft Night .....should a player get to within a pick range, we might trade out a F1 for a pick in this Draft .....depends on the outcome of the Peatling trade though ....but I'd be in favour

 

[George Kramer]

It is possible on Draft Night .....should a player get to within a pick range, we might trade out a F1 for a pick in this Draft .....depends on the outcome of the Peatling trade though ....but I'd be in favour

We have to have the list spot available first

 

[Syd Crow]

Honestly, I'm not fussed which of those 3 are moved on. Unfortunately none of them are unlikely to attract any attention as DFAs.

 

[Mutineer]

Yeah Dodson ain’t going to Port. Visentini is their ruck long-term

13, 29 and 36 is a solid draft hand, but those picks will blow out

I reckon they could be a contender for Berry or Hannaford

I hope not re Hannaford, it's hard enough watching on of my Rebel lads in Willem Drew running around in the Powa Colours.

 

[Danger in Texas]

I hope not re Hannaford, it's hard enough watching on of my Rebel lads in Willem Drew running around in the Powa Colours.

Charleson last year too, although looks like he hasn’t really kicked on yet? Fingers crossed Lalor drops to us at least

But yeah Port really need young speedy types around the forward half, so Hannaford would really suit them

 

[Mutineer]

Charleson last year too, although looks like he hasn’t really kicked on yet? Fingers crossed Lalor drops to us at least

But yeah Port really need young speedy types around the forward half, so Hannaford would really suit them

Mission impossible to build an AFL career in the shambles that's been Powa's SANFL team in recent years.

 

[crows dude]

That is correct.

At an absolute minimum, we need to upgrade 1 rookie and move 2 players from the senior list to the rookie list.

Rookie upgrade nominations need to be lodged no later than 31st October, and occur at the conclusion of the ND on 22nd November.

The process of moving players from the senior list to the rookie list requires them to be delisted by October 31st, and then re-drafted in the RD.

Previously there was a period between the afl draft and rookie draft where you can place 2 players straight from the senior list to the rookie list. Is that still the case.

New rule tweak provides relief for clubs on list flexibility

 

[crows dude]

Playing list

1 Pick 4
2 Jones
3 Peatling
4 Neale-Bullen
5 Cummins
6 Keays
7 Berry
8 Murphy
9 Crouch
10 Curtin
11 Thilthorpe
12 Rachele
13 Pedlar
14 Edwards
15 Dawson
16 Walker
17 Soligo
18 Cook
19 Michalanney
20 Taylor
21 Hinge
22 Burgess
23 Ryan
24 Rankine
25 Worrell
26 Schoenberg
27 Nankervis
28 Murray
29 Laird
30 Milera
31 Dowling
32 Fogarty
33 Smith
34 Sholl
35 Bond
36 Butts
37 O’Brien
38 Strachan


Rookie
1 Borlase
2 Murray
3 Keane
4 Welsh if makes to rookie list

Rookie b
1. Gallagher

So our list number is out.

I can only see room for one pick. We need to delist a few more players

 

[Danger in Texas]

Playing list

1 Pick 4
2 Welsh
3 Peatling
4 Neale-Bullen
5 Cummins
6 Keays
7 Berry
8 Murphy
9 Crouch
10 Curtin
11 Thilthorpe
12 Rachele
13 Pedlar
14 Edwards
15 Dawson
16 Walker
17 Soligo
18 Cook
19 Michalanney
20 Taylor
21 Hinge
22 Burgess
23 Ryan
24 Rankine
25 Worrell
26 Schoenberg
27 Nankervis
28 Murray
29 Laird
30 Milera
31 Dowling
32 Fogarty
33 Smith
34 Sholl
35 Bond
36 Butts
37 O’Brien
38 Strachan


Rookie
1 Borlase
2 Murray
3 Keane

Rookie b
1. Gallagher

Jones

 

[LoBu]

110%. A young ruck and a pacy small forward in place of those two would have made it pretty much perfect

Yeah but we don't have the picks, even if we had the list spots we would be looking late in the draft for players.

 

[TubbsFarquhar]

Playing list

1 Pick 4
2 Jones
3 Peatling
4 Neale-Bullen
5 Cummins
6 Keays
7 Berry
8 Murphy
9 Crouch
10 Curtin
11 Thilthorpe
12 Rachele
13 Pedlar
14 Edwards
15 Dawson
16 Walker
17 Soligo
18 Cook
19 Michalanney
20 Taylor
21 Hinge
22 Burgess
23 Ryan
24 Rankine
25 Worrell
26 Schoenberg
27 Nankervis
28 Murray
29 Laird
30 Milera
31 Dowling
32 Fogarty
33 Smith
34 Sholl
35 Bond
36 Butts
37 O’Brien
38 Strachan


Rookie
1 Borlase
2 Murray
3 Keane
4 Welsh if makes to rookie list

Rookie b
1. Gallagher

So our list number is out.

I can only see room for one pick. We need to delist a few more players

Two players will be moved to the rookie list (likely two of Smith/Schoenberg/Strachan), Keane will be upgraded and I suspect we'll take Welsh with #64 (unless a bid comes earlier which is highly improbable).

 

[Hodgy]

Playing list

1 Pick 4
2 Jones
3 Peatling
4 Neale-Bullen
5 Cummins
6 Keays
7 Berry
8 Murphy
9 Crouch
10 Curtin
11 Thilthorpe
12 Rachele
13 Pedlar
14 Edwards
15 Dawson
16 Walker
17 Soligo
18 Cook
19 Michalanney
20 Taylor
21 Hinge
22 Burgess
23 Ryan
24 Rankine
25 Worrell
26 Schoenberg
27 Nankervis
28 Murray
29 Laird
30 Milera
31 Dowling
32 Fogarty
33 Smith
34 Sholl
35 Bond
36 Butts
37 O’Brien
38 Strachan


Rookie
1 Borlase
2 Murray
3 Keane
4 Welsh if makes to rookie list

Rookie b
1. Gallagher

So our list number is out.

I can only see room for one pick. We need to delist a few more players

We just move someone to the rookie list and take Welsh on the main list.
Say Walker and Smith and promote Keane so we use our 3 compulsery picks.

 

[Mr_Moogle]

Ok now i see why ppl ragging on welsh

If that's not some sort of optical illusion, Welsh is going to get the Clayton Oliver treatment from the recruiters.