List Mgmt. 2024 List Mismanagement and Trading Part 2

[HumanMeatball]

I get where you're coming from but our father/son Tyler Welsh was looking like a top 10 kid last year, now he's projected 50+ and running 2km at the combine slower than me.

Sounds like a good tanker

 

[adelaidecrows]

I get where you're coming from but our father/son Tyler Welsh was looking like a top 10 kid last year, now he's projected 50+ and running 2km at the combine slower than me.

Its a bit shortsighted really. Young Crows / Port listed players seldom star at Sanfl level because they are required to work on areas of their game to prepare them for AFL. Thats what Welsh would have been doing. It would have taken him away from his natural game so his performances may not have stood out. As for the combine, the club would have sent him to just experience it and enjoy this time. I dont think the club would care at all what his combine stats are. They would have everything on record. Welsh doesnt have interest nor do we in him running 6m 2km, 1 metre verticle jumps and kicking 60m drop punts with not trying. No point impressing anyone. I could not care less if he did the bare minimum at the combine.

What is funny, is some crows fans wanting him to impress like they want us to have to give up pick 4 for him.

 

[Floating Doughnut]

Sounds like a good tanker

You blokes could be writing the book on how to rebuild.
A plethora of early picks in a great draft before the Tassie effect kicks in
and start preparing for a good crack @ Harley.

 

[Mostyn]

Jones more a development issue I think

Gallucci and particularly McAsey also duds yes, but reckon Ned in hindsight was the one who showed the least genuine AFL traits as a junior, out of our top picks

Don't agree about McHenry.

At the time, he seemed to have very similar
traits to a lot of the chaotic pressure smalls that Richmond were winning with. The thing is - they didn't use firsts on them, and Ned didn't end up being that good.

 

[Mostyn]

McHenry was an awful pick... Hamish panicked after we got rolled by a ferocious pressure Richmond in 2017 and thought Ned was going to be an elite quick pressure forward. He reached massively.

Yeah, he reached. I get why, especially considering the quality of the draft fell off massively, but trading out was probably the better option, or combining picks to move up.

 

[Mostyn]

You blokes could be writing the book on how to rebuild.
A plethora of early picks in a great draft before the Tassie effect kicks in
and start preparing for a good crack @ Harley.

GCS have had a fair few picks as well.

There are no guarantees. Chances are half won't make it.

 

[Floating Doughnut]

GCS have had a fair few picks as well.

There are no guarantees. Chances are half won't make it.

Think those chances are halved with the depth of this years first round in particular.
Best year in a while to do it imo. Next years first and able to trade futures for 2 years
gives them plenty of flexibility.

 

[Draft Bored]

Its a bit shortsighted really. Young Crows / Port listed players seldom star at Sanfl level because they are required to work on areas of their game to prepare them for AFL. Thats what Welsh would have been doing. It would have taken him away from his natural game so his performances may not have stood out. As for the combine, the club would have sent him to just experience it and enjoy this time. I dont think the club would care at all what his combine stats are. They would have everything on record. Welsh doesnt have interest nor do we in him running 6m 2km, 1 metre verticle jumps and kicking 60m drop punts with not trying. No point impressing anyone. I could not care less if he did the bare minimum at the combine.

What is funny, is some crows fans wanting him to impress like they want us to have to give up pick 4 for him.

I was just highlighting that you can't assume who will be at the pointy end next year because two years in a row now we've had Moir and Welsh projected top 10 and both have fallen away dramatically.

 

[crows dude]

Adelaide has completed a pick swap with Melbourne which bolsters the Club's 2025 draft hand.

The Crows receive Melbourne's 2025 third round selection in exchange for Pick 46 this year.

Adelaide currently holds Pick 4, 64 and 82 in this year's Telstra AFL Draft.

 

[Vader]

That 2025 pick with the new points structure we get won't be worth many points if Melbourne finish at the pointy end, we'll be hoping they fall massively on the ladder

I think it was more about 3 things:

• Thinking that any Welsh bid will be very late, so 64 & 82 should be sufficient to provide the points needed to match.
• Moving our pick from the 2024 draft to the 2025 draft, given that we (apparently) don't need it this year.
• Improving the options for getting the Peatling trade done.

** Pick 82 doesn't have any points value, but it would be expected to come in significantly, to the point where it would have points attached by the time the Welsh bid comes in.

 

[SLOWNE]

That 2025 pick with the new points structure we get won't be worth many points if Melbourne finish at the pointy end, we'll be hoping they fall massively on the ladder

Who cares, it will be going straight to GWS anyway.

 

[Thylacinus]

Sounds like a good tanker

Obviously a real club man, which is not surprising considering his ancestry.

 

[Mutineer]

I think it was more about 3 things:

• Thinking that any Welsh bid will be very late, so 64 & 82 should be sufficient to provide the points needed to match.
• Moving our pick from the 2024 draft to the 2025 draft, given that we (apparently) don't need it this year.
• Improving the options for getting the Peatling trade done.

** Pick 82 doesn't have any points value, but it would be expected to come in significantly, to the point where it would have points attached by the time the Welsh bid comes in.

Be interesting how many list spots regards numbers the 18 clubs have open before the draft?

 

[fuic08]

I'm generally pretty critical of the club, but this has been a genuinely good off season.

A+ would have been not extending Smith and trading Berry, which would mean 2 more draftees.

 

[DJ75]

Sounds like a good tanker

Either elite and tanking or has no tank

 

[DJ75]

I'm generally pretty critical of the club, but this has been a genuinely good off season.

A+ would have been not extending Smith and trading Berry, which would mean 2 more draftees.

100% agree.

 

[Vader]

Be interesting how many list spots regards numbers the 18 clubs have open before the draft?

We'll find out the final list numbers on Wed 13th November.

I have little doubt that pick #82 will start off earlier than that (probably around #70) at the start of the draft, drifting in further as picks are burned off for points (and moved to the back of the draft). My guess is that 64 will probably end up around 55, and 82 will probably end up around 60. Obviously this is pure speculation at this stage, but the numbers are reasonable based on historic draft outcomes.

 

[Scorpus]

I'm generally pretty critical of the club, but this has been a genuinely good off season.

A+ would have been not extending Smith and trading Berry, which would mean 2 more draftees.

At least on the players side of things, for sure

 

[George Kramer]

Maybe get Thomas as head of footy

 

[jackster83]

Maybe get Thomas as head of footy

Saints love their washed up and/or one dimensional plodders in the midfield.

Surely they would give us a good pick for Laird. He'd be right up their alley.

 

[Cromulant]

Maybe get Thomas as head of footy

He'd create some headlines..... probably more negative than positive mind you

 

[Mutineer]

He'd create some headlines..... probably more negative than positive mind you

Old Grantley has never ever got over being rissoled by the Saints....and The Age, SEN and Footy Classified/

 

[Jack McKraken]

I think it was more about 3 things:

• Thinking that any Welsh bid will be very late, so 64 & 82 should be sufficient to provide the points needed to match.
• Moving our pick from the 2024 draft to the 2025 draft, given that we (apparently) don't need it this year.
• Improving the options for getting the Peatling trade done.

** Pick 82 doesn't have any points value, but it would be expected to come in significantly, to the point where it would have points attached by the time the Welsh bid comes in.

Vader - given the state of our list, we can’t let Welsh slide as a rookie can we?

As I understand from your previous posts, we need 3 selections at the ND. Keane upgrade counts for one, pick 4 the second - but from my quick squizz at the rules, taking someone in the Rookie Draft doesn’t count (quite logically if we are talking changes to the primary list).

So even if it looks like he would slide to the Rookie List, we must take Welsh in the ND to make our minimum selections (unless we upgrade another rookie along with Keane)?

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

Maybe get Thomas as head of footy

why?

blokes a crackpot

 

[George Kramer]

why?

blokes a crackpot

Blighty was a bit too.

Can’t disagree with what he’s tweeted then and having someone willing to call out crap would be handy for our good boys club.