List Mgmt. 2017 Trade & FA Targets Part 2

[Marlo]

Armo ain't worth nothing with his contract attached, rooted body, average footy IQ, and the ever increasing pace of the game.

 

[Yawkey way]

Come on lets get a little realistic. Armo is now a second or third rounder. Hickey may get a late first but I'm thinking 20-25 especially if he doesn't play again this season. Dunstan late second at best if not even worse. Minchington is nil as is Savage, Lonie and Wright.

Pretty much although I think minchington, savage, Lonie and wright might find a list spot somewhere.

Armo would be very hard to shift nice contract back injury etc.

Better off keeping most of these guys worth more as depth.

Interesting to see who does end up leaving.

 

[Sir Skid]

Hickeys value changes if the 3rd man up rule is canned. We need an outcome on that desperately and before trade period starts. He could be a late 1st if it is. Remember Stanley @21!!!

On the flip side getting Membey around 48 from memory and Robbo and others cheap there is talent out there that can be picked up at little or no cost. We would have a few in that boat if we delist but with questionable trade value. The positive is that a few would likely be picked up now so we have progressed with depth.

 

[cooperrules]

Hickey for pruess

 

[Rors]

Yeah, it would be one or the other, certainly not both!

I suspect we're not in the race for Dusty because the board wouldn't tick off throwing so much money at someone controversial like him. As soon as we signed him you'd have PI's getting signed up to follow him around for the next "St Kilda scandal" and it would probably only be a matter of time before he obliged.

Otherwise, surely we'd be hearing that we're into him, which we haven't been at all. He's exactly what we need from an on-field POV.

The thing that sells me on Jones is how well he went against us in the midfield in the JLT game (26 possies, 600+ metres gained) and then how well he went in the middle a few weeks ago for Sydney when he had that real break-out game of 27 disposals (13 contested), 6 clearances and a running goal.

That game in particular shows the potential he has in the middle, but he just doesn't get much of a look in there for Sydney, because the likes of JPK, Parker, Hanners and Heeney are usually playing in there and they want his speed on the outside.

So he has the versatility to be good on a wing, in the middle, or running off HB and he's also so competitive and hard, which appeals.

I think Hopper has struggled a but this year off a very interrupted end to his preseason, with a back complaint. For all we know he may still have been playing with it, and we saw how much Armo's back and lack of preseason affected him last year. He killed it in the juniors and when given a run on the ball in his first game for GWS, but like Jones, he doesn't get much of a look in there and in his case plays out of position most of the time, like Steele did when he was there.

I'm a fan of Zak Jones.... But, he isn't a midfielder in the true sense (not just yet anyway). Those high possession games have been when he's played the spitter - & played the 2 types of spitter: (1) the attacking loose man off the back of the square, (2) the attacking loose distributor around the ground of the back of the stoppage. He is excelling in both, and even though he's technically a 'loose' man, his accountability has impressed me, as he is always working hard defensively.

I feel he'd be awesome in that Jack Steven type position through the midfield for short stints in future, while Jack has a rest forward or off for a rotation. When Jack plays midfield, you could sit Jones off half back in the role Joey is playing (obviously looking long term here)

 

[Timeoftheseason]

The truth:

Hickey mid-late 2nd
Armitage nil
Dunstan mid 3rd - nil
Minchington nil
Savage nil
Lonie nil
Wright 4th round
Pierce nil
Holmes nil

Spot on for mine.so stating the obvious looks like the big Hickey is the only one other clubs would be looking at.

Armo stays - looks cooked but hopefully comes good

Dunstan - would like to see him given another season.

Wright & Minchington - can see them yet again fighting for that defensive forward role/contract extension next year.

The rest - seems like there time might be up...Carlton might be into Savage.

 

[sunny3193]

under the new equalisation measures the AFL is committed to paying a clubs full salary cap

Thanks.
Do you know if this covers the 105% of TPP we are suggesting we pay, or is it capped at 100%?

 

[Premium]

To me we need a topline mid like we are all hoping for and key position backman due to if Brown or Carlisle go down we would be fine.
So Kelly and May - any thoughts on May

 

[Stewart66]

I'm a fan of Zak Jones.... But, he isn't a midfielder in the true sense (not just yet anyway). Those high possession games have been when he's played the spitter - & played the 2 types of spitter: (1) the attacking loose man off the back of the square, (2) the attacking loose distributor around the ground of the back of the stoppage. He is excelling in both, and even though he's technically a 'loose' man, his accountability has impressed me, as he is always working hard defensively.

I feel he'd be awesome in that Jack Steven type position through the midfield for short stints in future, while Jack has a rest forward or off for a rotation. When Jack plays midfield, you could sit Jones off half back in the role Joey is playing (obviously looking long term here)

I'm not
huge difference between what Roberton does with the Ball compared to Jones by foot.

 

[StCicatriz]

Thanks.
Do you know if this covers the 105% of TPP we are suggesting we pay, or is it capped at 100%?

if it is capped at 100% that i would image mean we have been paid 100% in years we only used 95%, so in the end theyve given us the money to spend at some point, its just up to us how we spend it

if not they hold onto it but increase when we want to use the banking mechanism

 

[Quixote]

The truth:

Hickey mid-late 2nd
Armitage nil
Dunstan mid 3rd - nil
Minchington nil
Savage nil
Lonie nil
Wright 4th round
Pierce nil
Holmes nil

Agree with most of that, reckon a bit harsh on Hickey though you'd squeeze an early 2nd. Dunstan I'd be hoping pick 40-45.

Minchington we should deal only with Geelong. Down there he's a footballing god, high 1st a lock.

 

[aussierulesrules]

Hickeys value changes if the 3rd man up rule is canned. We need an outcome on that desperately and before trade period starts. He could be a late 1st if it is. Remember Stanley @21!!!

On the flip side getting Membey around 48 from memory and Robbo and others cheap there is talent out there that can be picked up at little or no cost. We would have a few in that boat if we delist but with questionable trade value. The positive is that a few would likely be picked up now so we have progressed with depth.

Could also hurt his trade value if they ban the bounce as expected and only throw it up from next year. We all heard how much throwing it up v Melb in R1 hurt him, so imagine if that happens every week!

Two killer blows to him potentially in two offseasons.

 

[aussierulesrules]

Mick Warner mentioned on On The Couch that offer or offers are now around the $12mil mark for 9 years for Kelly. Sounds like both us and North may be around that mark now, but definitely North, from what he said.

Things getting serious!

 

[plugger66]

To me we need a topline mid like we are all hoping for and key position backman due to if Brown or Carlisle go down we would be fine.
So Kelly and May - any thoughts on May

Yep don't waste our money and picks on another costly Blackman because unless the midfield comes good the backline will struggle whoever is there


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[pebblesofsand]

Hypothetical - Let's say we fall off the cliff a bit and Hawks improve and we have consecutive picks say Pick 5 and 6 next year - would it change our draft/trade strategy?

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[Quixote]

Mick Warner mentioned on On The Couch that offer or offers are now around the $12mil mark for 9 years for Kelly. Sounds like both us and North may be around that mark now, but definitely North, from what he said.

Things getting serious!

Whoa they're lofty numbers. The world could be a very different place in 9 years!

 

[VDS66]

Hickeys value changes if the 3rd man up rule is canned. We need an outcome on that desperately and before trade period starts. He could be a late 1st if it is. Remember Stanley @21!!!

On the flip side getting Membey around 48 from memory and Robbo and others cheap there is talent out there that can be picked up at little or no cost. We would have a few in that boat if we delist but with questionable trade value. The positive is that a few would likely be picked up now so we have progressed with depth.

Whilst I don't want value players instead of elite, I look at it as an overall result.

We have got some rippers for peanuts so I don't mind over paying for a few elite kids.

Swings and roundabouts... as long as we improve overall.

 

[Joffaboy]

Mick Warner mentioned on On The Couch that offer or offers are now around the $12mil mark for 9 years for Kelly. Sounds like both us and North may be around that mark now, but definitely North, from what he said.

Things getting serious!

Only 1.3 mill a year?

More insults by lolnorf.

1.5 a year or eff off.

 

[VDS66]

Only 1.3 mill a year?

More insults by lolnorf.

1.5 a year or eff off.

$1.3m plus a penthouse on the Gold Coast...
Plus a relocation allowance.

 

[Brains Trust66]

These pages are going to look pretty silly if Jelly Kelly , Barkin Martin and all the others decide to stay where they are which is very possible . Still it's help us get through the bye round if nothing else.


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[CHBench]

He must really love North if they have to push up their offer

 

[aussierulesrules]

Warner also said the offers are getting so big for Kelly now that he's pretty much got to accept one of them.

If we don't get him, I actually hope North do, because I reckon them with Kelly is much less of a threat than GWS with Kelly for instance.

North need plenty more than just Kelly.

 

[Sir Skid]

Warner also said the offers are getting so big for Kelly now that he's pretty much got to accept one of them.

If we don't get him, I actually hope North do, because I reckon them with Kelly is much less of a threat than GWS with Kelly for instance.

North need plenty more than just Kelly.

Yeah but so do we.
Thats a looooott of coin though.

Cats and Hawks created dynasties by paying less to many guns. Risky business paying that much imo.

Give me Rocky and Whitfield instead

 

[Diehard Saint]

He must really love North if they have to push up their offer

Yeah, I mean with his father's connection to the club, and being a Norf supporter as a child and all, you'd think he'd just go there for the love of it
wouldn't you?

 

[sunny3193]

if it is capped at 100% that i would image mean we have been paid 100% in years we only used 95%, so in the end theyve given us the money to spend at some point, its just up to us how we spend it

if not they hold onto it but increase when we want to use the banking mechanism

Thanks.
This deserves further investigation.
I don't believe it is that simple (this is the AFL!)
The problem with your thoughts is that if they've funded us at 100% when we have paid 95%, we still have managed to lose money.
If they withheld the missing 5%, not so bad.
If they passed it on.....
That's not sustainable.
And the logical extension to that is that they will fund 100% only, even if we pay 105%.
Again not sustainable.
I fear our 105% TPP expectations may bump up against the reality of business cashflow.
This needs further investigation.