Mega Thread 2018 Trade Period Discussion part 2! (cont. in Part 3 - link in OP)

[Red mist]

You gotta love the picks we have. Put the blinkers on.

 

[douglyzia]

This "little fight" between a few posters reminds me of this gem on C10.



For the record Aiston is a nice guy, Ive spoken to him a few times at my gym. From what I understand, the female presenter is also good friends with him too, it was a low blow but not malicious.

How would she know? Did they get up to some hanky panky behind the scenes?

 

[Red mist]

I think our midfield's success is more dependent on Brad Crouch returning to his best than Sam Jacobs personally.

Maybe. But first look is always a bonus.

 

[Ozzie]

Blaine Boekhorst likes this

Look at this, it's like a killing field over there

https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/td-carlton-blues?year=2014

9 picks, 1 remaining in the system... for a different team

They wonder why they're mired in mediocrity. Go Haggis!

 

[hey shorty]

So who is calling 5aa today?

Justin Reid on, tell us why we caved so early.

Caved for what?? We got market value for Gov

 

[douglyzia]

I don't know about all these "Port outplayed us" claims.

They "outplayed us" because they have a clueless coach who FUBAR-ed their 2018 season and two of their top-6 players wanted out, likely from a combination of disillusionment with the club/game-plan and a realization that the new recruits had eaten up a good chunk of the salary cap.

Pretty sure if Robert Shaw was still our coach and two of our top-6 players didn't want to play for us anymore, we would "outplay" Port during trade period too.

I'd rather have a slightly worse hand at the draft than to have the Hinkley/Voss at the helm for another three years. Not even a No.1 pick is worth that disastrous combo.

 

[Red mist]

I don't know about all these "Port outplayed us" claims.

They "outplayed us" because they have a clueless coach who FUBAR-ed their 2018 season and two of their top-6 players wanted out, likely from a combination of disillusionment with the club/game-plan and a realization that the new recruits had eaten up a good chunk of the salary cap.

Pretty sure if Robert Shaw was still our coach and two of our top-6 players didn't want to play for us anymore, we would "outplay" Port during trade period too.

Cool reference man. Robert brought in some spine.

 

[70lethal]

Zero because it won't happen. That would be the correct decision to make.


For a start we chose to take Wayne Carey over MP. That's the reason there wasn't any money. I still have nightmares with Carey hitting that blasted point post. I was there that night and saw it happen live. That year we were playing premiership football until he got hurt.
Sloane and Lynch have stayed along with Talia. Blows your remarks abouts Gaff and McGovern to pieces.
From all accounts we tried to get both Neale and Hurn back only to be rebuffed.
A Graders left for big money from the two expansion clubs. Our drafts in those years were ruined. Maximum return from Cameron, Lever and Gov. yet still you bitch.
You suffer from selective memory to bolster your deluded POV.

For a start how old was Carey and how old was Pavlich. You know there's 10 YEARS different in age. We drafted burns in the same year, he was almost on the pension. Carey was over 30 and been out the game a year.

Sloane Lynch Talia offered nothing like Gaff and McGovern. Around $200k-$400k more than Sloane never mind the others
Anyone who knows the crows pay structure know they wont make an offer to good to be refused or at least so tempting.

So W.A. is so good no-one want to leave?
Neale and mcGovern chose to leave to clubs at the bottom? Thats says it all.

 

[jo172]

For a start how old was Carey and how old was Pavlich. You know there's 10 YEARS different in age. We drafted burns in the same year, he was almost on the pension. Carey was over 30 and been out the game a year.

Next you'll be getting pissed off about not securing D Jarman and Robran in 91. Different era. Time to move on.

Sloane Lynch Talia offered nothing like Gaff and McGovern. Around $200k-$400k more than Sloane never mind the others
Anyone who knows the crows pay structure know they wont make an offer to good to be refused or at least so tempting.

So we should have offered blokes who have stayed for less more?

This is peak nuff.

 

[Ozzie]

Jacobs is only 30. Ruckman play well into their 30s. Hell some of them start hitting their prime at that age.

Don't forget he carried a lower back injury for most of the year. Both ROB and Hunter were injured as well. People forget that when bagging him. It really affected his play causing him to struggle most of the season. If fit he bounces back in a big way.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Don't forget he carried a lower back injury for most of the year. Both ROB and Hunter were injured as well. People forget that when bagging him. It really affected his play causing him to struggle most of the season. If fit he bounces back in a big way.

Only if he gets something resembling a leap .....he's not strong enough to be a jostling ruckman, and the tell tale signs of aging are there, when you ability to hold your ground goes

 

[Ozzie]

For a start how old was Carey and how old was Pavlich. You know there's 10 YEARS different in age. We drafted burns in the same year, he was almost on the pension. Carey was over 30 and been out the game a year.

Sloane Lynch Talia offered nothing like Gaff and McGovern. Around $200k-$400k more than Sloane never mind the others
Anyone who knows the crows pay structure know they wont make an offer to good to be refused or at least so tempting.

So W.A. is so good no-one want to leave?
Neale and mcGovern chose to leave to clubs at the bottom? Thats says it all.

Jo172 says it all.

 

[70lethal]

We are a club that has made finals 4 times in the last 9 years.
Played in a GF with almost a clean season injury wise until the end.
On statistics one would say the GF was a anomaly
anomaly

1. a deviation from the common rule, type, arrangement, or form.

So instead of saying our best is good enough what it may mean is if everything goes right our best is close.

The moment some goes wrong the wheels full off pretty quickly.

Loose a couple players it turns to crap
Get a few injuries it turns to crap
Get a hard draw turns to crap
Loose a coach it turns to crap
Pick the wrong camp it turns to crap

We win 1 week of the season each year and unfortunately thats in November.
Hamish's team has saved the club. If he screwed up like the rest and missed a few firsts it would be a sad state.

 

[Mego Red]

No, I can be ruthless as anyone however the over the top negativity is off the Richter scale.

Perhaps a bit more balance is required.

It's best to not be on here at this time of year. Betwetters are EVERYWHERE, with their empty complaints.

 

[70lethal]

Next you'll be getting pissed off about not securing D Jarman and Robran in 91. Different era. Time to move on.



So we should have offered blokes who have stayed for less more?

This is peak nuff.

No maybe offered others more to stay or come for more and reduce list cloggers.
Its not that hard to comprehend is it.
Turned over the list more and taken more kids in drafts that frees up a lot of cash to pay the required amount to keep the cream

 

[jo172]

No maybe offered others to stay or come for more and reduce list cloggers.
Its not that hard to comprehend is it.
Turned over the list more and taken more kids in drafts that frees up a lot of cash to pay the required amount to keep the cream

Your particular grammatical idiosyncrasies are indeed hard to comprehend.

I comprehend that you're generally unhappy.

There are many rational bases to be unhappy. You have not identified any.

 

[NTRabbit]

Whether or not Port played a masterstroke or ****ed their list sideways with a backflip on last year is irrelevant, the fact is that they positioned themselves ahead of us at each pick in the first round, successfully undermining any negotiating position Reid thought we were going to have by doing nothing.

 

[jo172]

Whether or not Port played a masterstroke or ****** their list sideways with a backflip on last year is irrelevant, the fact is that they positioned themselves ahead of us at each pick in the first round, successfully undermining any negotiating position Reid thought we were going to have by doing nothing.

Losing two of your only three good players under 25 is hardly doing nothing.

If we lost Matt Crouch and Rory Laird our draft hand would have been so good.

 

[Ozzie]

Losing two of your only three good players under 25 is hardly doing nothing.

If we lost Matt Crouch and Rory Laird our draft hand would have been so good.

LOL

 

[70lethal]

Your particular grammatical idiosyncrasies are indeed hard to comprehend.

I comprehend that you're generally unhappy.

There are many rational bases to be unhappy. You have not identified any.

you make finals 4 out of 9 years, Is that not an issue? Do you think that defines successful?
You make no changes to management to fitness or players for a team that dropped so quickly and barely makes finals on a regular basis?
You keep the same midfield and ruck coach throughout this 9 years of mediocrity
You make no major trades or even any rumours of a significant attempt at a trade to improve the list after loosing McGovern Lever and Cameron (gibbs)
You know your ruck stocks are struggling and you ignore or fail to be desperate enough to do anything about them?

Now if this is to difficult to comprehend I suggest you get of the dole and go back to school and get an education.

Maybe maths is your strong point a finals appearance 4 out of 9 years =44% F

 

[NTRabbit]

Losing two of your only three good players under 25 is hardly doing nothing.

If we lost Matt Crouch and Rory Laird our draft hand would have been so good.

We accepted unders for one of our best dozen players early, on the promise of being able to use that to move up the draft, then sat back with the picks and did nothing but bring in two project rookies, while other clubs held out for better returns, and more aggressively wheeled and dealed.

Unless they manage to move up between now and draft day, then it's been an abject failure from Reid.

 

[jo172]

We accepted unders for one of our best dozen players early, on the promise of being able to use that to move up the draft, then sat back with the picks and did nothing but bring in two project rookies, while other clubs held out for better returns, and more aggressively wheeled and dealed.

Unless they manage to move up between now and draft day, then it's been an abject failure from Reid.

Best dozen players?

McGovern?

You realise we had Mitch not Jeremy right?

 

[NTRabbit]

Best dozen players?

McGovern?

You realise we had Mitch not Jeremy right?

Yes, I do, and he was, despite the best efforts of some to whitewash the story so that the guy who walked out wasn't really that good anyway.

 

[jo172]

Yes, I do, and he was, despite the best efforts of some to whitewash the story so that the guy who walked out wasn't really that good anyway.

Let me guess, you have both Crouches outside of the dozen?

What's your measurement for "best"? Just your subjective view that doesn't rate Matt Crouch?

 

[jo172]

Also, I like Mitch and rate him. But given what Melbourne got for Hogan the idea that it was massive unders is a bit much.

Hogan is far far far better than Mitch.